Chat Board Archives: February, 2000



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Name: John Preston
From: Arlington, Texas
Time: 2000-02-01 02:17:22
Comments: Beetlefan, you can respect Rhino all you want, but the label does not always include the single versions, mono or otherwise. The following is a partial list of just some of the big blunders Rhino has made: Four Seasons, none of the Four Seasons Rhino product contains the hit single versions of "Little Boy In Grown Up Clothes" or "Ain't That a Shame"; Wilson Pickett, no single version of the 1967 hit "I Found A Love"; Dionne Warwick, no version at all of the Top 16 hit single "You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling"; Shirelles, no version at all of the Top 22 "Welcome Home Baby", and the mono single version of "Baby It's You"; Ray Stevens, no mono or stereo versions of the hit single edits of "Ahab The Arab" and "Santa Claus Is Watching You"; and on and on and on. More than the mono vs stereo thing, my biggest complaint with Rhino is that they do not always include all of the hits, or correct versions. I would gladly accept the mono versions, if that's all I could get, and they are the single versions. I can't remember the last time I bought a Rhino cd, for those reasons. And Rhino doesn't seem to care about us the way they used to. Shoot, I used to get phone calls from Bill Inglot, and others at the label. They used to return our phone calls... but no more. Our input is as non-important as it can be. I still like some of Bill Inglot's work, though. He's a really talented man. We just don't seem to agree all that often on the way some tracks should be released. But then Rhino isn't paying me to make such decisions. So, that's that.
Name: beetlefan
Time: 2000-02-01 02:20:52
Comments: Luke, most of the early stereo mixes were done mostly for the US market. Also, Martin mixed a lot of stereo for the blue LP's but had little or no involvement in the red or blue CD versions. True, he may have sofened his stance a bit in preparing the Past masters CD's. The way I see it, the Anthologies were just for fun, and to satisfy an insatiable thirst for Beatle music. Happily, the original mono masters to all the singles have been commercially released anyway.
Name: Luke Pacholski
Website: LukPac.org
From: Madison, WI
Time: 2000-02-01 08:50:37
Comments: Beetle, re: The early Beatles stereo mixes were *not* done specifically for the US market - that's a very common misconception. In fact, in several cases, the US was using fake stereo while the UK had the true stereo mix. Having said that, Martin has claimed that the stereo mixes of Please Please Me and With The Beatles were not done by him, and not till after he left EMI in 1965. Both are untrue. The stereo version of Please Please Me came out about a month after the mono - the stereo With The Beatles came out the same day as the mono. As for mixing times, the mono and stereo mixes of the Please Please Me LP were done at the *same session*... As for the Red and Blue CDs, while they were not directly put together by Martin, they did have to get his approval before being released.
Name: Luke Pacholski
Website: LukPac.org
From: Madison, WI
Time: 2000-02-01 08:50:14
Comments: Beetle, re: The early Beatles stereo mixes were *not* done specifically for the US market - that's a very common misconception. In fact, in several cases, the US was using fake stereo while the UK had the true stereo mix. Having said that, Martin has claimed that the stereo mixes of Please Please Me and With The Beatles were not done by him, and not till after he left EMI in 1965. Both are untrue. The stereo version of Please Please Me came out about a month after the mono - the stereo With The Beatles came out the same day as the mono. As for mixing times, the mono and stereo mixes of the Please Please Me LP were done at the *same session*... As for the Red and Blue CDs, while they were not directly put together by Martin, they did have to get his approval before being released.
Name: beetlefan
Time: 2000-02-01 12:00:14
Comments: John, Hey, my gripes with Rhino are the same as yours for exactly the kind of reasons you cited here, and I can think of tons of others. What I should have said is that if not for Bill and Co., the spark to get the mono singles out may never have happenned. It does frustrate me that they refuse, even after letters, calls, and e-mails, they refuse to correct the situation. And yes, I used to get personal calls. I respect their RIGHT to do as they wish. We don't have to buy their product. I haven't bought a Rhino CD in months. I was unhappy with the sound of Parts or their "K.C. & The Sunshine Band Anniversary CD".

Wilson Pickett's "I Found A Love" was a hit for wicked Pickett's band, The Falcons & Band in 1961 on Lupine (1003) Records. The 1967 "hit" you site is a re-recording.
Name: Steve Baird
From: Used to be from Virginia
Time: 2000-02-01 12:01:18
Comments: To Jim in Virginia. That sealed record you found was released in the mid 90's. If you look on the back of the jacket, you will see a bar code, indicating it is a modern release. It has little or no collector value. In fact, most of the Beach Boys' albums were re-released on vinyl -- I have a few of them, but not the one you found. If you didn't have to pay too much for it, and you appreciate the fact that modern vinyl releases are often quieter because of improvements in vinyl formulation, I'd go ahead and open and enjoy it.

The label is the black Capitol one with the rainbow of colors around its circumference. Aside from the quieter vinyl, you will find also that meticulous care was given to mastering it results in superior sound (as was the care given to the Beatles vinyl reissues, which blow away just about everything out there that previously existed).

Re all the controversy about bootlegging -- sorry I missed being here, I was in Atlanta for the weekend and just got back last nite (Go Rams!). But beetle, they don't throw you in jail for speeding, they just write you a ticket. They will, however, throw you in jail for shoplifting.

Name: Marty Natchez
From: The Great Lakes
Time: 2000-02-01 12:36:52
Comments: Although there doesn't seem to be many "Save The RHINO" advocates on this site anymore, I respectfully disagree with John Preston's claim that the label never reissued the Four Seasons' 45 version of "Ain't That a Shame."

To my ears, the hit version with Nick Massi's bass-vocal overdubs was issued on Rhino's 1991 CD "Frankie Valli & the Four Seasons: Greatest Hits Vol. 1" (Rhino 70594). It is the MONO mix I remember, although I haven't listened to my original Vee Jay single to make an exact A-B comparison. It definitely isn't the stereo mix, where Massi's vocals are completely missing.

And while we're on the subject of the Seasons catalog, can anyone confirm if the stereo separation of "Sherry" on the original Vee Jay pressings differed from the Philips and subsequently reissued version? I recall reading in an old BSN newsletter that Valli's vocal tracks were mixed differently on the Vee Jay pressings. What do you know, vinyl-philes?

Name: John Preston
From: Arlington, Texas
Time: 2000-02-01 13:20:42
Comments: Beetlefan, while the earlier version of "I Found A Love" charted, the later version made the Top 40. Both have merit, but the remake was a Wilson Pickett solo , and deserved to be included on his greatest hits cd. To add insult to injury, the cd insert called out "I Found A Love-Part 1", which would fool us into thinking that we were getting the 1967 version, when, in fact, it was the Falcon's hit. I spoke to their A & R man, at the time, and he admitted that they made a mistake. But did it get corrected? No! The only Rhino cd that I can recall ever being corrected was the B.J. Thomas Greatest Hits cd (the mono hit version of "Hooked On a Feeling" was substituted for the stereo lp version).
Name: John Preston
From: Arlington, Texas
Time: 2000-02-01 13:32:25
Comments: Sorry, Marty. That version of "Ain't That a Shame" (on the Greatest Hits Vol 1) is 2:34 seconds long. The single hit version is 2:07. To my knowledge, the hit version has never been reissued on any cd, mono or stereo. The single version may be an edit of the longer one, but it's not the same. Curb is another of those owners who clings to his masters like they were a lifejacket. He needs to get with someone who knows what they are doing and remaster the Four Seasons tracks right.
Name: Dave Sampson
Time: 2000-02-01 15:55:44
Comments: well, I know I'm a little late on discussing those 3 recent boots of Cameo/Parkway material-but having just heard them last night I thought I'd throw in my 2 cents(being from Canada of course that isn't worth all that much). Here we go. First off, since I do have the other C/P releases on Park/CamPark/Bow etc. They sound so much better than these new compilations. Refering to the recent BSN Newsletter and the Cooledit pro. editing software-these recent cds are a good example of how NOT to use that program. Many of the songs have that phasy/tinny effect which results when you try to remove too much hiss/surface noise. There are big hits here that have a fair bit of surface noise all the same-which is not the case on the Campark discs. Many of the songs sound also quite muddy-like alot of the Abkco albums did(and I'm willing to bet those are what were used for sources rather than original C/P LPs). On the few stereo cuts(limbo rock/that old black magic, etc.)-which of course did come from original vinyl, you can hear in the quiet beginnings just how over filtered these cuts are. in fact you can tell the beginning of "linbo rock" was taken from a muddy mono source and edited on to the stereo version. Now, it might sound like I'm being hard on these 3 compilations, truth is, there is enough rare stuff on them to make them worth while, but if you really want clean versions of Chubby Checker, Dovels, Dee Dee Sharp, etc. Go with the Bow/Campark/Park CDs, They certainly sound cleaner and more natural to my ears. They're not perfect, but they're the best there is so far. On the whole ethics issue with bootlegs. I'd rather not stoop to buying them-and I do feel bad about the artists/musicians that are missing out on their due share. But i have no sympathy for the record companies who have been gouging us with inflated CD prices for years. Now They're getting scared with the amount of copying that happens on the internet. They'd better start listening to what the customers really want-or the online underground will put them out of business-or at least hurt them a lot. I am so thankful for companies like Sundazed, Eric, Varese, Ace and other such companies who put painstaking effort into all of their releases. Those are the companies I'm proud to support. I only wish there were more of them.
Name: beetlefan
Time: 2000-02-01 17:29:32
Comments: Dave, I use Cool Edit, and I can tell you that the artifacts are a result of overdoing the cleaning. I have a setting that really works for most of my purposes. It is NOT Cool Edit's fault! If you use the program you will see what I mean. You can produce that noise with ANY program if you don't use it carefully.

?Steve, you CAN get thrown in jail for speeding in this state.
Name: Dave Sampson
Time: 2000-02-01 18:58:13
Comments: Beatle: Thanks, but I know all about cooledit and how it can be "overused". I do have it and use It - which is why I said what I said.
Name: G. Cassan
From: Mississauga, Ontario
Time: 2000-02-01 19:27:21
Comments: If your after the two versions of the Fours Seasons song, "Ain't That A Shame " in best quality, then you need to purchase ACE CD's "Ain't That A Shame / Recorded Live On Stage " for the Mono version (with overdubs) and " Edizione D'Oro" for the Stereo version (no overdubs).
Name: beetlefan
Time: 2000-02-02 00:59:38
Comments: Dave Sampson, I may have misunderstood what you meant by "good example of how NOT to use that program". I took it to mean that you were saying that is a BAD program. Noise reduction is often one of the most misused tools in these programs, be it Sound Forge, Cool Edit, whatever.

I'm also at a disadvantage because I have not read the article in BSN. I'm ashamed to say that I let my suscription lapse.
Name: Mike Hartman
From: Vernon Hills, IL
Time: 2000-02-02 11:12:21
Comments: Marty re: can anyone confirm if the stereo separation of "Sherry" on the original Vee Jay pressings differed from the Philips and subsequently reissued version? (Someone on this board or the newsletter said the vocals were double tracked) I found the Vee-Jay stereo LP in a used record store. To my ears it was the exact same mix we hear everywhere. I did not hear any difference.
Name: John Sellards
Website:
From: Beckley, WV
Time: 2000-02-02 13:24:44
Comments: Regarding Sherry, I am not sure about double tracking or anything, but I have the LP in mono, which I presume has the mono 45 mix on it (this happens more often than people would have you think), and it is subtly different - more reverb, as I recall.
Name: Boppin' Brian
Website:
From: So CA.
Time: 2000-02-03 05:08:05
Comments: Boy howdy - youse a busy buncha beavers, postin' away reams of stuff while I ain't been payin' too close attention..! (about 250 entries since the first of the year or so !!!) Could it be winter weather / cabin fever (no such luck here - - - sunny, dry, breezy, 84 o F.) that has folks hibernatin' & gyratin' & compyooter-atin' & disseminatin' detailed discourses on discs ?….

Regarding C/P 3 CD "belated" comments just a few notches below, here's a thought - I bet the over - tweezed / NR-ed sound isn't a factor on the earlier "gray" issues (Bow/Park/Campark, etc.) as the technology wasn't as widely available just a few years back when those earlier CDs came out. Only have heard the Bow "Limbo Rock" Chubby CD, out of all of them, & I don't claim to be any great expert, but it sounded terrific & not too over-tweezed/NR-ed or otherwise edited. In fact an all - Chubby "site" chose this & another Bow label issue as the very best - sounding of all the dozens of Chubby CDs they covered. Lotsa stereo, too. Chubby checklist….go to:
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~facerg/chubby.htm

A follow - up to the "…..big blunders RHINO has made:…" as posted by John P:…"……..Shirelles, no version at all of the Top 22 "Welcome Home Baby", and the mono single version of "Baby It's You".." Bet you meant they issued mono version (it is on Rhino's "Very Best of…") when it's stereo elsewhere (Ace 356, for one) for the former. As for the latter of the two, could it be that the stereo version (that I prefer & that crops up rarely -- it's on a Laserlight compilation, "Love Songs", #12 320) is one of those pesky "stereo underdubs" ?

Martin T B.'s post on "WHITE CHRISTMAS" caught my attention……..:
"To Tom Daly, thank you for sharing your useful information on "White Christmas". It seems the soundtrack version is not available on CD. I guess I will have to dub the original version to disc from my copy of the 'Holiday Inn' video. The cut on the Bing Crosby box set is not the original version but a 1942 studio recording. It is not an underdub (i.e. missing Majorie Reynold's voice) since the take/recording is different."
Here I thought I had this one covered when grabbing the recent 2 CD MCA "Voice of Christmas.." set just over a year ago. Seems to me that the liner notes claimed to have the original hit 78 single release version, plus its flip, for the first time ever since its original issue…. or words to that effect…..

Agree with DS assessment that
"…."PLEASE MR. POSTMAN" … the stereo version to my ears is a different recording…..".
The giveaway for comparison is on the end - when you don't hear the West Indian (?!) - patois ( "..deliver de letter, de sooner de better") ad-lib (with extra echo effect for emphasis), you can be sure you are hearing the alternate (vocal track, at least) version that first surfaced in the early '80s. Someone else can probably better identify which CD issue is which, as far as which may have the best sound / "original" / widest stereo, etc. The mono "..deliver de letter.." version seems to crop up the most….

Would have to say that DCC's "metal venture" may prove surprisingly fruitful, as, believe it or leave it, the '80s era "nostalgia" is just about to the point where the folks that grew up with this shtuff are just now into a position financially to add these things at 30 bucks a pop to their shelves next to their "Matrix" and "Twin Peaks" DVDs. Meanwhile, I'll add another "vote" for a Steve Hoffman-ization of the Beatles' "first four" (giving us an alternative I'd bet would surely outsell the Capitol monos which I too have "boycotted" from day one).

Was pleasantly surprised to find out that so many of the "BSNers" were 10 or 15 years younger than one might assume when the whole "tastes in music" issue arose. Don't know if that whole "you like most what you heard on your car stereo at 16 or 17" approach works for the majority of us. I know most of my favorites were laid down years before I ever showed up, as is the case in numerous other respondents to this informal survey. Interesting to note that 3 of 6 songs cited in one reader's "best year" pick of 1965 were all remakes or covers ! ("You're the One", "Keep On Dancing", :"Over & Over").
Lots of folks chimed in with what I'd agree is the most appealing feature of the '50's -'60's radio shows - namely, the entire package: personalities, spots, jingles, theme songs, etc. First exposure to these treasures for most would have to be the old "Cruisin' " LP series of airchecks (some of the CD reissues I've heard are crudely re-edited & have different contents) There is bound to be tons of this stuff out there on the "www", what with RealAudio, etc. ….The ads are ten times more entertaining than anything you'd find in a week tooling around on the dial nowadays..

VARESE VINTAGE seems to have heard gripe of mine posted here last year about short song selections on most domestic CD reissues - witness recent 25 - track Cadences, Shirelles, etc. Guess it depends on the licensing deal they can swing, as recent "East Side Sound" series had skimpy 16 cuts each, spread over 4 volumes (not 3 - which I discovered only after hauling the first 3 volumes only home from the Rekkid shop, they had a 4th one I had somehow missed plugged on INSIDE notes….)… Well, at least they have the best sound yet for this stuff, and stereo rarities like "Land of 1000 Dances", and others. Still, plenty of "leftovers" that could make for a 5th & even 6th volume…. "Discover A Lover", "Pa - Cha", "Love Special Delivery", "(I Was a) Teenage Brain Surgeon", etc., etc…..

KIT KATS kuts....JAMIE JUNK :
The Bear Family 2 CD "The Jamie/Guyden Story" has mono "Sea of Love" by Kit Kats from '67 & stereo "Won't Find Better than Me" by New Hope from '69. This '95 set has uniformly excellent sound courtesy of wonderous wizard of wayback machine, "Little" Walter DeVenne. Only a couple of cuts have cropped up sounding better since then, and it was disappointing to read here of the "F -" Jamie U.S. Kit Kats 2 CD. Had been in contact with Jamie last year & they wanted input on their upcoming Jamie / Guyden CD reissues. When I replied that they need only follow Bear Family's lead - perhaps even re-reissuing the out-of-print collections the German label had put out from Barbara Lynn, The Sherrys (best non-Cameo/Parkway Cameo/Parkway hit: "Pop-Pop-Pop-Pie"), Duane Eddy, Ray Sharpe, R&R/R&B Philly to Phoenix, etc. - they promptly replied that, no, they wouldn't be issuing anything even slightly resembling the Bear CDs, but wanted to know "what was it that was so great about them ?" !! Rather than even bother replying with the obvious ("EVERYTHING" !), I never bothered any further with the issue. Now, it seems that they have out their Duane Eddy, plus various other collections out & I'm wondering …… do they all sound as bad as the Kit Kats ???

As for you "BOOT boys", send off those friendly free / gift "copies" (or "copies of copies") to me, ASAP. We can all sleep better knowing that it'll be so unburdening to you folks that have such pangs about having this stuff in your collections that it makes you feel better to make me "free" copies! Yahoo ! I'll be waiting to pounce on the mailman when he hauls a crate up to the mailbox fulla CD-Rs of :
- Un-Kleined Stones & Spector
- 9 hour long unedited live Who noodlings
- Those elusive "first four" Beatles original mixes (cowbell / harmonica / hi-hat errors included) ..oh, and a disc or 2 of "I Am The Walrus" takes (29 thru 93 & 94 thru 168),
- Properly-reverbed Chipmunks (only if I can get a see-thru red copy),
- Single-edits of Cameo-Parkway Frostbite 500 charters,
- Billy & Lilly, Association, Vogues, Andy Williams, Little Dippers & Frank Pourcel flip-sides,
- Unexpurgated James Brown "Say it Loud…" late-nite-Denny's-white kids-chorus-recruiting-attempts, ("Hey ! Wanna earn a cheeseburger, kids ?")
- "Around The World" (only if it has the choo-choo, Hot air Balloon & steamship SFX, panned & EQ-ed correctly),
- Non-Hong Kong press of U.S. (or other) issue of Stevie Wonder "Wonder Years" or "Century" or whatever they call it 4 CD set that has a complete, unedited, wide stereo "Fingertips".
- Any alternate lead - scream tracks from David Lee Roth, gold - plated, please.
- Unissued reels of glockenspiel underdubs from "Pet Sounds"

* * * All of the above must, of course, be in Stereo, please! * * * (And no "C.O.D.'s", either !)

((( - - Thanks in advance !!! - - ))) OK, OK, I'll wrap it up! Bye !

Name: Lex Bloom, Ahead To Stereo
From: Boston
Time: 2000-02-03 09:50:14
Comments: To Boppin' Brian: Does the Jamie/Guyden package contain a true stereo version of Brenda & The Tabulations' "Right On The Tip Of My Tongue"? I've been looking for that for years.
Name: Curt Lundgren
Website: Reel Top 40 Radio
From: Twin Cities, MN
Time: 2000-02-03 12:26:14
Comments: OK, group....where do I find "Gino Is A Coward" by Gino Washington (Ric-Tic) on disc? There is a 1999-issued CD on Norton which lists the track, but I suspect this might be a recent recording. I believe there was a two-disc Sequel title, too. Any advice appreciated!
Name: Steve Massie
Time: 2000-02-03 12:57:41
Comments: The Varese 25 track Shirelles "best of" CD has both the mono and stereo versions of "Baby It's You".
Name: Marty Wekser
From: Los Angeles
Time: 2000-02-03 13:44:24
Comments: Likewise, Varese used a good sounding stereo version of "Welcome Home Baby" on the same Shirelles 25 track package to which Steve Massie made reference. (A recent post inquired about this song too.) Suffice it to say, when you're dealing with an act which may have had 25 or more chart hits, you want to use the biggest hits, especially on the first compilation by the artist. In all fairness to Rhino, this is what they did on their early CD compilations which were generally limited to 18 tracks. Varese, however, has realized that many of these artists are now ripe for "freshened up" packages, so now there's room to go back and find those lower charting hits, more obscure "A" and "B" side singles, or in some cases unreleased tracks(in the case of The Chordettes), and include them on forthcoming releases. When the economics allow, 25 song packages will be issued.
Name: Marty Natchez
From: The Great Lakes
Time: 2000-02-03 14:33:02
Comments: Be assured, Curt, that the version of "Gino is a Coward" on Norton's "Gino Washington: Out of this World" CD (CED-268) contains not only the Ric-Tic hit but also an earlier waxing of the song as "I'm a Coward." The latter version is a completely different recording that was issued on the Correc-Tone label.

The Norton CD is an outstanding package of Michigan-music memorabilia; made even better by the fact that Washington still owns the master tapes. Needless to say, if you've ever heard his dynamite Wand recording of "Out of this World," you will be floored by how it sounds on this CD. You'll also learn that Telma Hopkins and Joyce Vincent -- later to join up with Tony Orlando as Dawn -- were the background singers on that record.

The CD also comes with a 20-page booklet that explores Washington's career in detail, and it is PACKED with vintage pictures, posters and labels of his 45s. Norton really outdid themselves on this release.

By the way, all imports CDs by "Geno Washington" contain recordings by a black American serviceman who gained popularity as a soul singer in the U.K. Check out the "e" in his name. He was NO relation to the Detroit Dynamo.

Name: Boppin' Brian
Website:
From: Sunny So Cal.
Time: 2000-02-03 14:43:36
Comments: "Right on the tip of my tongue" is on several compilations, the two that pop to mind right off the top of my head are the Bear Family + a skimpy Rhino'70s soul set.... not at home right now to check stereo-ness, but I know that there was at least 1 I have that is mono disc dub, another that is clean... again will check this out to-night... 1 of the reasons I got the J/G 2 CD was for their earlier soul smash "Dry Your Eyes", which, as it turned out was mono, if I recall correctly, but cleaner than ever. No word yet on Jamie's domestic B & the Ts CD... Anyone ?
Name: Curt Lundgren
Time: 2000-02-03 14:56:55
Comments: Thanks, Marty N....THAT's why I love this site!
Name: S Baird
From: The south
Time: 2000-02-03 15:25:51
Comments: To Lex Bloom RE the Jamie/Guyden set on Bear: Right On The Tip Of My Tongue is in the package but its mono.
Of the 29 songs in the set that charted in the top 100, 18 are mono, and 11 are stereo. If you want a listing of the songs, let me know and I'll send you one directly.
Name: Marty Natchez
From: The Great Lakes
Time: 2000-02-03 16:19:51
Comments: Concerning John Preston's claim that the 45 hit version of "Ain't That a Shame" by the 4 Seasons is a shorter 2:07 track and not the 2:34 version Rhino released on its "Four Seasons Greatest Hits Vol. 1" CD, the answer was in the grooves of my Vee Jay single, oval logo, matrix 63-3155 record.

The timing on the label is WRONG. The song is 2:34, even though my "4 Seasons Golden Hits" Vee Jay LP also lists the timing as 2:04. Thank goodness for a stopwatch.

I also want to express my gratitude to the BSN contributors who dashed the rumor that the Vee Jay pressings of "Sherry" had a different stereo mix. My lust quickly turned to dust, thanks to you guys.

Now I need another rumor squelched or confirmed: Was Frankie Valli's single version of "The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore" (Smash 1995) a different take or a different recording than the LP track? Will you professors help me again? Thanks.

Name: Groovin' Garrett
Website:
Time: 2000-02-03 16:56:46
Comments: Yes, the Norton CD "Out Of This World" by Gino Washington contains the cleanest issues of the songs available, and all are the original recordings. However, they're all mastered from vinyl (although mastered very well). It is a legitimate release, the discs being loaned by Gino himself. I would know, as Gino is a guest every Friday on my morning drive show on WPON radio in Detroit. GW still lives in the area, and makes regular appearances putting on a great show! Norton Records also recently released a great collection of early Cub Koda material that's worth picking up. You can check out Gino's bit every Friday morning at 6:00am EDT at www.wpon.com
Name: Bradley Olson
Website: Bradley Olson--A Person With Autism
From: Bemidji, Minnesota
Time: 2000-02-03 18:22:01
Comments: Marty, I agree that there are times when the stopwatch is more reliable than the label itself for timing. You never know when you need to use that as a reference.
Name: John Adkins
From: Phoenix
Time: 2000-02-03 23:12:45
Comments: Brian--Brenda & the Tabs is mono on the Rhino Soul Hits Of The '70s Vol. 4 CD, and a disc dub (one can hear surface noise at least once near the top). Not much of a high end on it either.
Name: Jay Connors
Time: 2000-02-03 23:41:59
Comments: Dear Boppin Brian, I have a Brenda and the Tabulations domestic release called Dry Your Eyes. JG4001-2. Contains 14 monaural songs. 12 were on the original dionn records release, and two are previous unreleased bonus tracks. I have it on right now listening to it, and the sound is wonderful. Unreleased bonus track is a bit of a mistake by the label to call them that as one was a single release that charted at number 17 in 1968, When You're gone, which is as good as anything else they have done (which is to say supurb)! This is a straight reissue of their 1967 LP Dry Your Eyes. Sound is from the original master tapes, and to me never sounded as clear. This is available at Tower on the Net. I bought it on sale for about twelve dollars a couple of months ago. Well worth the purchase! Lots of enjoyment from odd cuts like Beach Boys God Only Knows. Right on the Tip of my Tongue isn't on it, but a total of five charted items are. Is this the CD you were asking about or is there another one I don't know about?
Name: Test
Time: 2000-02-03 23:45:57
Comments:

Please excuse this post,      I just wanted to see

if future posts could be spruced up a bit.
Name: Alan T
Referred by: From a Friend
From: Phoenix
Time: 2000-02-04 00:14:44
Comments: Here’s one to question all you Stereo manic Beatles fans? The only reason the first four Beatles CDs are in mono because the Beatles were playing hardball with EMI during re-negotiation of their contract. The Fabs were upset with EMI’s accounting of sales of “Abbey Road” and other titles and were and negation had ground down to a halt. Since no new contract was at hand, the Fabs were operating under the contract Allan Klein had negotiated in 1969 that specifically stated that no remixes of the music were to be performed. The Fabs used this as a wedge to gain an advantage over EMI. Stereo remixes were done and early pressings done outside of EMI’s, although they are mono, clearly state that the CDs are ADD. I’m sure you’ve seen these, they were sold on the collector market. So much of EMI’s early CD output was remixed ADD that the Beatles should have gotten the same treatment. By the time the Help and Rubber Soul discs were released, this snafu had been cleared up allowing the remixes to be released. To save face, all the parties came up with “they were meant to be heard in mono”.
Name: Jay Connors
From: Greater New York Metro
Time: 2000-02-04 00:36:59
Comments: To Groovin' - I have tried to listen to your radio station so many times on the internet. (I like diversity in programming!) But the signal always skips. It's weird. No other stations I listen to do this. Part of a song plays, then the very same part plays again, sometimes seemlessly, sometimes with a short chop or break. It's not the CD or Vinyl skipping, because it does it when the announcer speaks as well, repeating same phrases with and sometimes without a break. It's weird, and sounds like a digital hiccup or something like that. It always happens! Not just sometimes. I don't want to give up because I think you guys are fun, but have you any idea how I could clear up the signal problem?
Name: Luke Pacholski
Website: LukPac.org
From: Madison, WI
Time: 2000-02-04 04:15:40
Comments: Alan, re: The fact that the first four are in mono has nothing to do with the Klein contract and everything to do with the fact Martin was dragging his heals. He didn't want the stereo mixes of the first four out in their original form - either (in the case of AHDN and BFS) they would be remixed, or released in mono. There was no time for remixing, so the mono. As far as the ADD stickers on the CDs - that was purely a misprint. The original intention was to use the original stereo mixes (AAD) for all four (this is what Martin was presented), but he disagreed with that decision. As for remixing or not - I'd have *no* problem seeing some Bob Irwin-esque remixes, but if they are going to be like Yellow Submarine, forget it. The current stereo tapes sound great - a simple remaster will do if necessary.
Name: Luke Pacholski
Website: LukPac.org
From: Madison, WI
Time: 2000-02-04 04:15:41
Comments: Alan, re: The fact that the first four are in mono has nothing to do with the Klein contract and everything to do with the fact Martin was dragging his heals. He didn't want the stereo mixes of the first four out in their original form - either (in the case of AHDN and BFS) they would be remixed, or released in mono. There was no time for remixing, so the mono. As far as the ADD stickers on the CDs - that was purely a misprint. The original intention was to use the original stereo mixes (AAD) for all four (this is what Martin was presented), but he disagreed with that decision. As for remixing or not - I'd have *no* problem seeing some Bob Irwin-esque remixes, but if they are going to be like Yellow Submarine, forget it. The current stereo tapes sound great - a simple remaster will do if necessary.
Name: Paul
Time: 2000-02-04 07:26:14
Comments: I heard Tossin & Turning in STEREO for the very first time coming home from work. Any idea if this is available, it sounded great. Is the artist Bobby Lewis? Can't seem to remember for sure! Thanks in advance
Name: Glenn Sauter
Time: 2000-02-04 10:05:20
Comments: To Luke: If I remember correctly, I read in the Washington Post at the time of the Beatles Mono/Stereo CD controversy that George Martin never intended for "Beatles For Sale" and "A Hard Day's Night" to be released in mono. He only wanted the first two CD's out in mono because he didn't believe these songs should be presented in twin-track stereo. However, he was willing to get on board at EMI with the Beatles CD's project and he intended to remix the catelogue for CD release beginning with "Beatles For Sale". However, according to the Post article, EMI felt this would delay all the releases and it would upset the whole release schedule which centered around the 20th anniversary of Sgt. Pepper. So EMI execs decided to go with the mono masters of the first four Beatles albums for their respective CD releases and initiated Martin's remixes with the CD release of "Help!". At least I believe that was the thrust of the article. An unrelated topic: Has "This Can't Be True" by Eddie Holman been stereo previously on lp or is it 1st time stereo on the newly released Liberty Bell Cameo/Parkway bootlegs?
Name: Mark the 45 fan
From: NC
Time: 2000-02-04 11:23:38
Comments: To Paul-Tossing and Turning is by Bobby Lewis, and appears in STEREO on Billboard Top Rock N Roll Hits-1961, on Rhino. Uh oh, did I say RHINO? Better pick it up before they recall it and "Rhimono" it...me and my BIG mouth.... Mark
Name: Christopher (
From: Hurricane, WV/USA
Time: 2000-02-04 12:08:24
Comments: This poor boy needs a little help. I recall the BSN newsletter mentioned a while ago that a compilation CD now contains the true STEREO mix of the Reflections' 1964 hit "(Just Like) Romeo And Juliet," but I can't for the life of me recall which disc this is. I searched the back issues in vain. So, would somebody out there please be good enough to e-mail me in private with this information? Thank you very much! Rock On!
Name: Luke Pacholski
Website: LukPac.org
From: Madison, WI
Time: 2000-02-04 14:33:26
Comments: Glenn, re: Actually, it was Martin who decided on the mono mixes. EMI's original plans were to issue the original stereo mixes of the first 4 albums. Shortly before the release, Martin was brought in as a matter of courtesy. He said a) the first two should not be in stereo at all, and b) if A Hard Day's Night and Beatles For Sale were in stereo they should be remixed, as he didn't like the current stereo mixes. However, this would have pushed back the release date, which EMI wouldn't have, so the mono mixes were issued (which I still feel was a *terrible* decision). For a (somewhat) helpful interview, see http://www.best.com/~abbeyrd/kozinn.htm
Name: Luke Pacholski
Website: LukPac.org
From: Madison, WI
Time: 2000-02-04 14:33:48
Comments: Glenn, re: Actually, it was Martin who decided on the mono mixes. EMI's original plans were to issue the original stereo mixes of the first 4 albums. Shortly before the release, Martin was brought in as a matter of courtesy. He said a) the first two should not be in stereo at all, and b) if A Hard Day's Night and Beatles For Sale were in stereo they should be remixed, as he didn't like the current stereo mixes. However, this would have pushed back the release date, which EMI wouldn't have, so the mono mixes were issued (which I still feel was a *terrible* decision). For a (somewhat) helpful interview, see http://www.best.com/~abbeyrd/kozinn.htm
Name: paul
Time: 2000-02-04 14:47:35
Comments: Christopher, Its on Dick Bartleys On The Radio Series Vol 2 Varese Sarabande Label Paul
Name: beetlefan
Time: 2000-02-04 17:38:20
Comments: I can't believe I actually agree with Luke on the Beatles situation, except, I don't mind the MONO CD's. :-)
Name: dave
From: smyrna, georgia
Time: 2000-02-04 19:08:10
Comments: I purchased the "All the hits by all the stars" Cameo/parkway cd.what a find. After all these years of hearing these songs above vinyl noise I finally get the CD quality sonics that should have been release many years ago.75 songs making their Cd debut.The wait is over. The only drawback is that some of Bobby Rydell's hits are missing."little bitty girl","Ding-a-ling","Good time baby","I've got Bonnie",and "Butterfly baby" aren't on this set of Cds.
Name: Martin T. Boratyn
From: California
Time: 2000-02-04 22:10:19
Comments: To Jay Johnston or anyone out there: I cannot locate www.samtherecordman.com on the internet. I tried a half dozen search engines. What gives? Does anyone have a telephone number? I am trying to locate a source to order "Witch Doctor" in stereo. Anyone's help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Name: dan strode
Website:
Referred by: From a Friend
Time: 2000-02-04 22:27:09
Comments: sam the record man can be found at www.samscd.com
Name: dan strode
Website:
Time: 2000-02-04 22:37:08
Comments: found sam the record man using copernic - www.copernic.com - Copernic 2000 finds eactly what you're looking for by simultaneously consulting the best Internet search engines
Name: terryoregon
From: Beaverton, Oregon
Time: 2000-02-05 01:29:15
Comments:

OK, here's my challenge.  This is my stereo wish list.  These seven songs have eluded me in 30 years of collecting late fifties, early sixties music.  I know the expertise on this list must know more than I do about some of this stuff.

(1) Poor Little Rich Girl – Steve Lawrence   1963 (45 issued on Columbia 42795).  I have a copy of the original 45, but that's all I've ever seen for this song.    Steve was recording in stereo as early as 1959 and it seems likely this song would have been recorded multi-channel as well.  Of course his earlier stereo songs were on a different label.   Not only have I never seen this song in stereo, I've never seen this song re-issued EVER, on anything.    I've never heard any radio station play this song since the sixties. 

(2) What Does A Girl Do – Marcie Blane   1963 (45 issued on Seville 123).    This was the follow up to Bobby's Girl.   Since Bobby's Girl has appeared in wide true stereo, it is almost certain this song was also recorded in stereo.    This song is currently available on an import CD called "Marcie Blane with Tracey Dey".   But only Bobby's Girl is stereo.

(3) Java Jones – Donna Lynn   1964 (45 on Capital 5156) (LP on Capital 2085).    I obtained a sealed mono copy of this LP in the early eighties.   My Goldmine catalogue shows a stereo version of the LP.   But I've never seen this song issued on anything, mono or stereo.   And I've never heard any radio station play it since the sixties. 

(4) Kiss Me Sailor – Diane Renay    Diane Renay had one stereo LP (20the Century Fox 3133), currently worth $200 in mint condition.   I've checked the archives.    One message states that Navy Blue was rechanneled, but Kiss Me Sailor was true stereo.   The current Collectibles re-issue of the LP is all mono.  The back of that CD states   ". . .the original master tapes are unavailable".   Lost. . .or someone won't release them?  

Changing subject just slightly, the next three songs on my wish list are from those beach/ski movies from the early sixties produced by American International Pictures Inc.   Soundtracks from these movies were rare.    Yes, I know that Annette recorded about three LP's (at Disney studios) based on the title of these movies.  And I have them all.   However, those stereo songs did not appear on the AIP movies exactly as they did on the LP's, and the songs on the movies did not appear on the albums.  None the less,  I can always dream that some of the songs from those movies were recorded in a studio on a multi-track recorder before being copied onto the master film print.   Of course AIP was on a shoe string budget. . . .so I really am dreaming.  I've read AIP popped an incredible $250K on some of those movies.

(5)  Ski Party - Hondells    This was the title theme song to the AIP movie of the same title.   I have no evidence a soundtrack was ever issued for this movie and I have never seen this song issued on anything by the Hondells.   Even dubbing this song directly off the movie is difficult since the song never plays in its entirety without background voices over the music.

(6)  I'll Never Change Him - Annette Funicello    This solo by Annette was in Beach Blanket Bingo (1965).   I have lot of stuff by Annette, but I've never seen this song outside the movie.   In fact, I'm just guessing at the title to the song.  The credits at the end of the movie did not list the song titles.

(7)  I Think, You Think - Frankie Avalon & Annette   This duet is also from Beach Blanket Bingo.  Never seen or heard this song outside the movie either.   Again I'm guessing at the title.

One of the AIP beach movies is due to be released March 31st on DVD.  I assume most of the other AIP movies will follow.   If mastered correctly, especially the sound, I might at least get decent mono copies of some of this.

***If you are curious about any of these songs, you can click on the link below.  There are partial MP3 clips of all seven songs.*** 

www.integrityonline.com/terry/mp3.htm
Name: Luke Pacholski
Website: LukPac.org
From: Madison, WI
Time: 2000-02-05 03:54:52
Comments: Beetle, re: I *refuse* to buy the first 4 Beatles albums in their current form. Well, I've got Beatles For Sale, but that was a mistake... To me listening to the stereo mix of Eight Days A Week on the Red CD compared to the mono mix on BFS is just a world of difference - the mono CD just sounds so dull and lifeless to me. Hopefully I'll be getting good stereo copies of the first 4 shortly though, so...
Name: James Fortune
From: England
Time: 2000-02-05 07:38:02
Comments: Interested in Motown and other Sixties stuff :-)
Name: Jay Johnston
From: London, Ontario
Time: 2000-02-05 10:26:31
Comments: For Martin Boratyn: Sorry I lead you on a false trail with that URL. That was the old one that they first used, I guess it was too long so they shortened it to samscd.com. Anyway, go on the site and type in ' On My Radio ' under the song title box and it will bring you up the cd that you want, Top Hits of the 50's. It is available singly for $16.99 Canadian. There are, however, a total of 5 cds in the series- 50's - 90's, and you can get all five in a box set now for $69.99, which works out to $13.99 per disc. I only have the first three in the series, not really into the 80's or 90's material. Again, sorry to Martin and everyone else for the wrong URL, I should have checked the site first.
Name: Mike Arcidiacono
Time: 2000-02-05 14:06:21
Comments: To Terry/Oregon---Nice List you have there!! This is your lucky day!! I can help with a couple of your stereo wants. First off, you can find "Kiss Me Sailor" by Diane Renay in stereo, (and it sounds really great) on the Marginal Bootleg "Navy Blue". Midnight Records in Manhattan has it, and they do mail order. Its all taken from vinyl, but they hit most of her 45s. If you like Diane, its a must. For the Hondells "Ski Party", its been very elusive, however you can find it in mono (its NEVER been in stereo, anywhere) on the the "California Sunshine" Vol2 Cd, also available from Midnght Records. 33 tracks, not much stereo, but a whole lot of rare Hondells stuff. Quality is so so, there is alot of hiss on it, but at least its available. As for the other API songs, you are right that they operated on a shoestring, BUT they did issue a whole bunch a soundtrack LPs. The wierd thing is that alot of times, the versions on the LPs were NOT the version used in the films, they were re-recorded. I have the stereo versions of a bunch of them on DAT tape, but I would have to dig them out to see whats what. There *is* alot of stereo for the Annette/Frankie stuff on those LPs. Very enjoyable in true stereo, much more so than the mono. I hope this helps you out! Mikey
Name: Shirelles Fan
Website:
From: New Jersey, Exit 5
Time: 2000-02-05 15:38:56
Comments: The AP wire service is reporting the death of Shirley Kenner-Jackson of the Shirelles. What's interesting is that they credit Phil Spector with production of their major hits. To the best of my knowledge, Spector had nothing to do with the Shirelles. It was Luther Dixon, a brilliant producer himself, and one who knew how to record in stereo, that produced the Shirelles major hits.
Name: Marty Natchez
From: The Great Lakes
Time: 2000-02-05 18:21:58
Comments: For the sake of accuracy, the Associated Press reported that Doris Kenner-Jackson of the Shirelles -- not to be confused with lead singer Shirley Owens-Alston-Reeves -- died Friday (Feb. 4) at age 58. She had been battling breast cancer.

Yes, the AP carelessly misreported that Phil Spector was involved with the group's career. That's only a sign of the age group that's being hired as "responsible journalists" these days.

Now let's plan to listen to Doris singing "Dedicated to the One I Love" one more time and remember one of the stellar sisters from the girl group era who will never be forgotten. Amen.

Name: Ken Garland
From: Los Angeles
Time: 2000-02-05 22:06:04
Comments: Bet the reporter confused SPECTOR records with Phil.
Name: Ken Garland
From: Los Angeles
Time: 2000-02-05 22:07:03
Comments: Bet the reporter confused SPECTOR records with Phil. Instead of Sceptor records.
Name: Mike Arcidiacono
Time: 2000-02-06 10:50:30
Comments: To Terry/Oregon: Because I'm a nutty guy, I've done some more research for you on the "Beach Blanket Bingo" songs: You were correct on the titles of the two songs, they are: "You'll Never Change Him" by Annette Funicello. "I Think, You Think" by Annette and Frankie. Little side note, the songs "Fly Boy" and "New Love" in the film are seen being sung by Linda Evans, but thats not her voice, it is the voice of studio singer Robin Ward, who also had a huge hit with "Wonderful Summer" and a smaller hit with "In His Car" Now for the bad news. There was never a soundtrack of the movie songs issued. Nor were the Annette/Frankie songs released on 45s or other LPs. However, Donna Loren, who starred in the movie (she was a great singer also, by the way) had an Lp released by Capitol Records (and its her only LP) called , you guessed it: "Beach Blanket Bingo" which featured her singing all the songs from the movie, including "I Think, You Think" and "You'll Never Change Him". The LP WAS released in stereo, however, there IS a bootleg on Marginal called "The Best Of Donna Lauren" that I believe has ALL these songs and her other Capitol 45s that did not chart. Not sure about stereo content on that Cd, but I may pick it up, if I do I'll be sure to post here, as I always do. Lastly, the The song The Hondells do in the movie called "The Cycle Set" wasnt released on any of their LPs or 45s. However, it *may* be on one of the Volumes of the California Sunshine Series, it is NOT on Volume 2, which I have. Whew!! This Beach Party music thing is exhausting. Think I'll take a break and watch "How To Stuff A Wild Bikinni"!! Hope this helps. Mikey
Name: Lex Bloom
From: Boston
Time: 2000-02-06 11:32:18
Comments: To Luke P., and other stereophiles clamouring for stereo Beatles, it's now time to unite. Make all our voices louder. Let's face it, the decision to release the first four Brit catalog discs was just plain wrong. If George Martin feels it necessary to stick to his guns in that "Please Please Me" and "With The Beatles" shouldn't have been in stereo (on LP), and the stereo mixes of "A Hard Day's Night" and "Beatles For Sale" were unsatisfactory, that's too damn bad, because previously released on vinyl in both formats, the cat's already out of the bag. So, like I said, it's time to unite, make our voices louder - in other words, start shouting.
Name: Wendy Milliken
From: Los Angeles
Time: 2000-02-06 11:34:53
Comments: Lex, I love you. I couldn't agree with you more on the Beatles
Name: terryoregon
From: Beaverton, Oregon
Time: 2000-02-06 12:39:10
Comments:

Thanks everyone for the response to my post.   I received about six private e-mail messages as a result.   Looks like Kiss Me Sailor is obtainable in stereo.  A couple of the others, maybe.  Checking some leads now. 

Name: S Baird
From: Baton Rouge
Time: 2000-02-06 13:38:43
Comments: All this talk about Diane Renay -- where are her 2 hits available in Stereo? (I don't buy boots.)
Btw I have a copy of her "Stereo" LP. It sounds just OK, lots of surface noise.

To Luke & or Beetle: Is it possible using Toast to burn a copy of one of those multimedia CDs that have both music tracks and computer data on them> Also, Is there a way to record the same track on one CD-R at 1x, 2x, 4x & 6x to compare the sonic outcome. I tried doing this, but my audio CD player sees only track 1, not the other 3 copies recorded at the higher speeds. The Mac, on the other hand, sees and plays all tracks, but the speakers are, of course, no match for the home audio system. Any suggestions?

Name: Martin Nathan
Website:
Referred by: Yahoo!
From: Worcester,MA
Time: 2000-02-06 15:51:36
Comments: PLease tell me where to find track listings for the "On My radio" series, especially 50's, through 70's. TIA, Martin Nathan
Name: Jay Johnston
From: London, Ontario
Time: 2000-02-06 16:52:15
Comments: For Martin Nathan: To find the track listings for "On My Radio", go to http://emimusic.ca, the EMI Canada website. Click on" Catalogue" on the left menu, then"Catalogue Essentials" on the top of the next page. It will give you the listings of all five individual cds, as well as info on the box set that is being released for the 50th Anniversary of EMI Canada.
Name: MARTIN NATHAN
Referred by: Yahoo!
Time: 2000-02-06 17:10:07
Comments: To Jay Johnston, thank you very much for the info on where to find track listings for the "On My Radio" disks. Martin Nathan
Name: Luke Pacholski
Website: LukPac.org
From: Madison, WI
Time: 2000-02-06 17:55:47
Comments: Steve, re: Yes, you can use Toast to copy Audio/Data CDs. However, if you want to make an exact copy, you'll probably want to use Jam for the audio and Toast for the data - Toast can't copy the pause information like Jam does. As for multiple speeds - you're going to have to use multiple discs. Audio CD players only see the first session on a disc. So if you burn multiple sessions (ie, 1x, 2x, etc), your standard CD players will only see the first.
Name: Luke Pacholski
Website: LukPac.org
From: Madison, WI
Time: 2000-02-06 18:00:43
Comments: I just picked up "Freddy King Sings", and it notes the songs are in stereo for the first time. More specifically: "An audio information/image recovery system developed by Keith Keller's Digital Soundscapes was used in remastering the original King Records dual-mono, two track studio masters, converting them to true stereo for this release. The recovery system delivers live-performance ambience and image information otherwise inaudible on the studio masters. This first-ever conversion to true stereo of dual-mono source material makes this reissue a milestone in archival sound restoration." Upon listening to the disc, the stereo soundstage is fairly narrow, but it *is* true stereo. Does anyone know exactly how this system works? Or what a "dual-mono master" is...?
Name: Joel Goldenberg
From: Montreal
Time: 2000-02-06 21:01:32
Comments: Please, please someone write a book detailing the differing versions of songs in their album/single formats, not only mono/stereo but different takes, edits, etc. I just now heard the album version of You Are The Sunshine of My Life without the horn overdubs (on Stevie Wonder's box set, brilliant). The Who's Trick of the Light is about 30 seconds shorter on 45 - some of the guitar solo is poorly edited out. The Carpenters have many differences, such as added guitar overdubs for the singles. If someone can write a whole book on Beatle variations (Every Little Thing), someone could do the same for singles.
Name: Martin Nathan
Website:
Referred by: Yahoo!
From: Worcester,MA
Time: 2000-02-07 00:36:24
Comments: Does anybody know if any more volumes of the "Hey Look What I Found" series are going to be released. I have all 9 volumes and I love the song selection, though I could imagine some folks despising it. It would be great if future volumes focused on obscure tunes from the late '60s to early '80s. Martin Nathan
Name: beetlefan
Time: 2000-02-07 04:16:48
Comments: Joel, that's a great idea. To be honest, I don't have the inclination to write a book, but if anyone here cares to, i'll be more than happy to contribute.
Name: Curt Lundgren
Website: Reel Top 40 Radio
From: Twin Cities, MN
Time: 2000-02-07 16:45:13
Comments: Speaking of the Mavis "Look What I Found" series....a question: Volume 7 contains what is billed as the original Judd version of Tommy Roe's "Sheila". Is there anything special about this versus the ABC-Paramount hit? I'm also curious as to the various versions of "Look For A Star". I'm not familiar with the Dean Hawley version (volume 6), but Garry Mills (vol 5) and Garry Miles (vol 6) were both played by the local top 40s here....one on each station. Is there a story behind the latter two? Specifically, the nearly-indentical spellings...and the fact that while Mills' version was on Imperial, the *Miles* tune was on the parent label, Liberty! (Unless Lew Chudd hadn't sold Imperial yet.) Miles, of course, was really Buzz Cason.
Name: Henri Bronsgeest
Time: 2000-02-08 01:14:15
Comments: Ah yes, LOOK FOR A STAR, my favorite topic. I fell in love with the movie CIRCUS OF HORRORS, a strange English movie that hit the theaters in the summer of 1960. The stars were basically unknown at the time, but became well known. Anton Diffring later Fahrenheit 541, Donald Pleasance (with hair!) who starred in James Bond, and all those scary movies. While the star attraction swings from a rope high in the center ring, a song played. LOOK FOR A STAR. As people left the theaters they would humm that tune. Knowing a good thing when they saw it, Imperial got the rights to the soundtrack from England and released an LP. Very hard to find and usually costs around $100. The singer in the movie and sountrack was an English gent named Garry Mills. Imperial released it as a single. (The version on Look What I found. . is NOT the same as the 45, nor album, nor movie soundtrack) Liberty seeing a good thing had Buz Cason record the song as Garry Miles. I'm sure they named him that to confuse the public. Goldmine magazine recently did a story on the producers who heard about CIRCUS OF HORRORS, went to the theater with a tape recorder, copied the song in the theater, went back to the studio, and had Deane Hawley record it, so now we had three version cluttering the market. This does not include the instrumental version by Billy Vaughn for the "adult" market. All FOUR were top 30 hits!! Can you imagine if only one version had been released, I'm sure it would have hit number 1. For some reason this song has been ignored by the oldies market, and other than Lost Hits from the 60's which has the Garry Miles (Buz Cason version) is not available in good form anywhere. Except, of course, the Billy Vaughn version. Hope this helps.
Name: Jason Roberts
Website:
From: Providence, RI
Time: 2000-02-08 07:25:28
Comments: In addition to the Mills, Miles, and Hawley versions of "Look For A Star", there was also a version on Laurie Records by Nicky Como. This version was more up-tempo and received some airplay and local chart action in New England. It's not a bad version, but it's very hard to find. I have a well-used 45 and have been looking for years for a better one!
Name: Doug Peck
From: Elk Grove, CA
Time: 2000-02-08 10:51:35
Comments: For "Look For a Star" fans: The Miles (Liberty) version can be found on the Ace compilation "Teenage Crush Volume 2" (CDCHD 701) and the EMI/Capitol Special Markets "Lost Hits of the 60's" (19552). The Hawley version was released in 1987 on an obscure Allegiance compilation, "Sun Sand and Hunks", CDP-72898, distributed by CEMA.
Name: Henri Bronsgeest
Time: 2000-02-08 12:20:44
Comments: Thank you for the information on Look For A Star by Nick Como. I had heard of that one, and have it listed on my want list. I did not know where it had received airplay. I was from Southern CA at the time. KFWB played the three versions I mentioned, but I don't believe I ever heard Como's. I had always hoped that someone would release the soundtrack album on CD and add as an extra bonus all the various versions. Ah, if I only had money!!!
Name: Uncle Al
From: Long Isalnd, NY
Time: 2000-02-08 15:16:54
Comments: To Joel: An excellent, comprehensive, and better than 99% acurate listing of all the Beatles "variations" can be found at "The Usenet Guide for Beatles Recording Variations" at: http://www.columbia.edu/~brennan/beatles/var-index.html Be warned that this will give you a whole new perspective on being a Beatles completist!
Name: Der Deutschenmann
From: Der Schweiz
Time: 2000-02-08 16:58:46
Comments: Ich mochte zu wissen, bitte sag mir etwas!! Wo kann ich "Song of Joy" von Miguel Rios (auf Englisch, naturlich! im truesche Stereo!) an CD kaufen?
Name: Lex Bloom, Ahead To Stereo
From: Boston
Time: 2000-02-08 19:04:52
Comments: Hey - who is Wendy Milliken?
Name: Larry Davis
From: Longview WA
Time: 2000-02-08 20:03:39
Comments: For the writer in German (who I suspect is putting us on) the only place I've found Miguel Rios' "Song Of Joy" is on a 1998 EMI (UK) compilation called A TIME TO REMEMBER 1970. I think I picked this up at In Your Ear (which is no longer in business, but they refer you to CDNow). I haven't played it in a while but I think it was in stereo.

About the only thing not mentioned in the "Look For A Star" discussion is that the version by Garry Miles is on HEY LOOK WHAT I FOUND Vol. 4; Garry Mills' is on Vol. 5; and Dean Hawley's is on Vol. 6. ALSO, Garry Mills' Imperial single had Part 1 on one side and Part 2 on the other. Is is possible that the version used on HEY LOOK is Part 2 rather than the hit Part 1?
Name: Henri Bronsgeest
Time: 2000-02-08 20:47:24
Comments: The Garry Mills single Look for a Star on Imperial part 1 and part 2 are identical. They just took it off the soundtrack LP and had nothing to put on the back, unless of course they could have use an instrumental from the movie. They are not the same as Hey Look ...
Name: Christopher Kissel
From: Long Island, NY
Time: 2000-02-08 20:54:23
Comments: After reading a scathing review of the new Kit Kats CD here a couple of weeks ago I wanted to respond to what I felt were very unwarranted criticisms. Contrary to what has been posted, the Jamie 2 CD set presents the music in a stunning true stereo mix that matches the feel of the original LP mixes in a far more satisfying way than most attempts at new stereo mixes. The individual mentioned "rechanneled effects"... perhaps they should have their hearing checked, one of their ears apparently is suffering from a high frequency rolloff. Besides the superb new stereo mixes, the music itself is incredible. If you are not familiar with the Kit Kats' music, you owe it to yourself to sample some of it. The group had a unique style and sound and displayed amazing versatility. Personally... I can't remember when I was so pleased overall with a CD... the packaging, liner notes, discography, photos, and new stereo mixes are all superb and are all obviously a labor of love! I suggest that all BSN readers pick up a copy of this great tribute to the Kit Kats while it is still in print!
Name: Sunny Jim
Website:
From: Philadelphia, PA
Time: 2000-02-09 10:25:27
Comments: RE: Kit Kats CD: Sorry Chris, I have to respectfully disagree with you on every point. The CD is not stunning. It is badly engineered and mastered. The instrumental bed on which the stereo vocals have been overlaid has had some awful pseudo-rechannelling effect applied to it. I wrote the original review and I stand by it after repeated listenings. I'm happy to say that both my hearing and my system are in top-notch shape.

To hear what I'm talking about, use the first appearance of the song "Won't Find Better Than Me' on disc 1 of the set. This is the Kit Kats version, and it has never appeared in true stereo before. Turn the balance control on your system all the way to the left. You will hear a track in which most of the bass and high end has been filtered out. Now, turn the balance all the way to the right, and you will hear a track in which most of the mid-range has been filtered out. Neither of these tracks sound at all natural.

Listening closely, you can hear that the true stereo vocal track was laid on top of this pseudo-rechannelled mess, and the overall effect is most unpleasant. In fact, it sounds like the rechannelled vinyl LP version of the album that came out in the 60's. This weird effect has been applied to every track on the disc, even the New Hope tracks that were in great stereo on the original LP. What's even more surprising is that, in some places, you can tell, even through the rechannelling nonsense, that there is a true stereo instrumental bed underneath. Why in the world would anyone go to the trouble of creating a true stereo background, only to rechannel it? This CD is a sonic nightmare.

I think the point that bothers me the most is that the Kit Kats were not wildly popular, thus this is probably the only shot that their music will have at appearing on CD, and the release has been badly botched. I'm really glad that I kept my vinyl. As with my last post, all of the above is only in my humble opinion. To each his own!
Name: Marty Blaise
Time: 2000-02-09 11:21:01
Comments: Can anyone verify if any of the following exist in true stereo? Fireballs - Torquay, Bulldog; Hebb, Bobby - A Satisfied Mind; Johnny & the Hurricanes - Crossfire; Rivers, Johnny - Under Your Spell Again; Rooftop Singers - Tom Cat; Royal, Billy Joe - I’ve Got To Be Somebody. Thanks.
Name: Paul Bigelow
From: Austin, TX
Time: 2000-02-09 16:04:58
Comments: Is there any word on The Fendermen : Mule Skinner Blues CD that is for sale in the latest "Collector's Choice Music" catalogue? The catalogue claims ten bonus tracks.
Name: Dave
From: Tucson
Time: 2000-02-09 16:39:27
Comments: Marty, Johnny Rivers "Under Your Spell" is in stereo on Rhino 70793, The Johnny Rivers Anthology. Dave
Name: Alan Carner
From: Fort Smith
Time: 2000-02-09 17:51:55
Comments: Can anyone tell me if there are any differences in blank CDR discs. Are any brands better than others? I've tried a few brands, and they seem to be the same. Sometimes I make one that has trouble playing back.
Name: Curt Lundgren
Website: Reel Top 40 Radio
From: Twin Cities, MN
Time: 2000-02-09 18:09:34
Comments: Just listed at DisCollector, Ace's 30-track "Coed Story" in the March Top Ten Sizzlers! The Ace website has nothing on it. I would hope we'll get the Duprees "Have You Heard" and/or the Crests "Trouble In Paradise" in stereo. We also need a better job on Adam Wade than what Collectables has done. BTW, Mike is selling the Fendermen disc for $11.99: http://www.discol.com
Name: Lex Bloom, Ahead To Stereo
From: Boston
Time: 2000-02-09 18:59:54
Comments: To Alan Carner: RE: CD-Rs: Yes, there are differences, albeit the principal basically the same. I haven't gotten too deeply invoved with the rewritable CD-Rs, for one thing, they are on the expensive side. So, let's look at the regular ones. First of all, once recorded, the results are permanent, cannot be changed. The standard length CD-R is 74 minutes, at 650 megabytes. CD-Rs can be recorded to store audio tracks, or computer data. The recording side of a CD-R is comprised of a dye called cyanine, formulated from an organic synthesis process; it is dark blue in color. That's somewhat standard nowadays, but the best ones I've used I found at (of all places) CompUSA; it is a 50-pack spindle of gold CD-Rs with advanced phthalocyanine dye (projected to have the longest shelf life, at 200 yrs) for $49.99, SKU# 268350. Those are (I repeat) the best I've ever used. I hope I've helped.
Name: beetlefan
Time: 2000-02-09 23:54:32
Comments: Lex, I will also add that phthalocyanine dye CD-R's are very good. The Cyanine discs are good too. The best i've used are Sony (Tayio Yuden), Memorex (only ones made by Tayio Yuden), TDK, and Ricoh. I do not recommend Maxell at all.
Name: Charles Curtiss Carpenter
Website: The Cammy Awards
From: Pinebluff NC
Time: 2000-02-10 00:47:18
Comments: Recently we lost Will "Dub" Jones of the Coasters and Richard "Dimples" Fields has also recently passed away. Just thought I would pass the info along.
Name: VWFANPAC
Time: 2000-02-10 00:57:56
Comments: CDR'S....Quite to the contrary...Maxell CDR's from JAPAN are quite indicative to superior sound and convienence...They are also manufactured in TAIWAN maybe that's why dear BEETLE dislikes them so..but when one of the 3 oracles speak we all must listen with an open ear(MONO) Post haste! Maybe we can find a MONO cdr that only records on one channel indeed!...Plus they have a lovely white jewel tray...and a shiny jewel case...and a beautiful golden coating that no light can pass thru...I just love them!....STEREO FOREVER...just a thought........
Name: beetle
Time: 2000-02-10 05:14:45
Comments: And WHO are YOU?!
Name: Lex Bloom, Ahead To Stereo
From: Boston
Time: 2000-02-10 09:42:11
Comments: Thank you, beetle, for your output on CD-Rs. The very first ones I ever saw were indeed from Taiyo Yuden, which were gold on dark green. The cyanine dye was green only because of the bright gold plating. However, I avocate the use of discs with ADVANCED phthalocyanine, due to their projected long shelf life (about 200 yrs) and higher resistance to heat. Among those are Ricoh Platinum or Mitsui. The dye leans more toward greenish-silver in color, more like what a storebought CD looks like anyway. The discs I found were made by a outfit called FMI (Taiwan, or maybe USA) and are available at CompUSA in 25-packs or 50-pack spindles. The 50-pack lists for $49.99, but keep an eye for them to go on sale for $29.99 at a given moment; averaging .60 per disc, that's almost a steal.
Name: george
From: new york
Time: 2000-02-10 10:09:29
Comments: Is there another Kitkats cd? The one I bought called, Its About Time sounds great and most of it is in stereo.Does the other cd you are talking about have the other songs from the new hope album that aren't on this double cd or the live album? I would still like to hear those other songs the Kitkats used to sing.My records are so worn out from playing them I would be willing to buy this other cd even though its not as good as long as there are no scratchy record sounds on it.I have enough of those cds now.
Name: Mikey
Time: 2000-02-10 10:32:29
Comments: Hi guys. If anybody has The Bachelors 2CD set "The Decca Years" or the EMI 30 track import Cd, please email me, I have some questions about it. Thanks! Mikey
Name: beetlefan
Time: 2000-02-10 13:37:55
Comments: What do you think of this? http://www.canoe.ca/JamMusicBeatles/feb10_reissue.html
Name: Luke Pacholski
Website: LukPac.org
From: Madison, WI
Time: 2000-02-10 13:43:39
Comments: I'm thinking I don't want more "YS" remixes... Remixes are fine (read: Bob Irwin), but I didn't care for those. Yes, they were interesting, but IMO they screwed too much up. It also notes George Martin will be involved - NO!
Name: Mike Arcidiacono
Time: 2000-02-10 16:40:56
Comments: Re: The Beatles URL below. This is VERY good news!!! The gist of the article is that EMI is going to remix the ENTIRE (you read that right) Beatles Catalouge in 5.1 Sound. This is very exciting!! Finally, the mono versions will be a thing of the past. I also read elsewhere that the sales of the 5.1 "Yellow Submarine" DVD were astronomical.....no doubt that had a lot to do with EMIs decision. Profit is paramount!! Now as to the two track mixes of the first few lps, dont wonder how they could mixed into 5.1 . They can!! there are many variables that affect it, but there is enough raw material to do a good job. Because the instros and vocal tracks are totally seperate from one another, that makes it possible to spread both, use Digital EQ (the bass guitar can be effectively filtered out and moved to a seperate channel) and make a convincing 5.1 mix. Trust me, it works!! As for the 4 track Beatles stuff, now THATS going to be a revelation. Can you imagine "Sgt Peppers" in 5.1 with horn overdubs coming in from behind you? I realize that a lot of guys on this board are strictly stereo buffs....but, I can tell you this...after you have listened to a good 5.1 mix, you never want to go back. Its as simple as that! Its the difference between mono and stereo all over again, basically. All you have to do is listen to the YS DVD, its just amazing how great it sounds. I was on a Beatles "variations" site the other day, and apparantly, there are "edit reels" of tape that have various pieces of things that were edited into Beatles 45s, like Harmonica overdubs, vocal overdubs and guitar overdubs, sitting all alone by themselves on a seperate reel of tape. If they were hopelesly out of tracks, George Martin would sometimes hand sync these edit pieces into the 45 and stereo mixes, rather than do a sound on sound overdub that would put the sonic quality back yet another generation. Sounds goofy, I know, but Beatle experts swear that they did it, and I believe them. If anybody could, Martin could, he was an master of the trade. With todays Computer syncing, these edit pieces can now be placed anywhere in the 5.1 spectrum, so that the harmonica intro in say, "I Should Have Known Better" (which really is supposed to exist by itself on a seperate reel) might be placed in the rear left channel in a 5.1. mix. This decision by EMI opens up a whole lot of exciting possibilities. Who knows, maybe the reason that EMI hasnt released the first four lps in stereo the last few years is because they saw how 5.1 DVDs ere exploding and knew the NEXT way to exploit the Beatles catalog was a complete 5.1 overhaul, getting us to buy the same stuff yet AGAIN. EMI is not shy about manipulating the Beatles catalog to pull in money, as we all know. Stay tuned! Mikey
Name: Luke Pacholski
Website: LukPac.org
From: Madison, WI
Time: 2000-02-10 21:09:45
Comments: Re: Beatles. First - edits reals. Eh...that was most common in the very early days, and even then, not all that common. If they wanted to do an overdub on twin-track they would generally just go down a generation. As far as the four track stuff - up through Rubber Soul everything is straight four track - 4 tracks on a single tape. Starting with Revolver, it would be common to record the basic track on 4 tracks of one tape, then dub that down to one or two tracks on a another tape, and overdub some more. The process would repeat. What they did for YS was sync all these tapes together, meaning you could have something like 12 or 16 seperate tracks to work with... As for surround remixes - first of all, CDs are stereo. End of story. You can't put 5.1 on CD. Second, I don't like the idea of (for example) filtering out the bass track. I've heard it before (on Beatles recordings to boot) and I've never liked it. The bass doesn't sound right, and the rest of the track sounds tinny. Sorry - I'll take good transfers of the original twin tracks, wide separation and all. I wouldn't mind *good* remixes of the early 4 track stuff (ie, same stereo placement, reverb, etc - what Bob Irwin does) but a) with Revolver or so, the stuff starts to get too complex to remix *well*, and b) I don't want revisionist remixes (see Yellow Submarine). The YS remixes just don't *sound* right to me... Ahh, well.
Name: Mike Arcidiacono
Time: 2000-02-10 21:53:42
Comments: Rw: Beatles. Luke...one question for you: Have you listened to the YS DVD on a properly balanced, quality 5.1 speaker system ??(and I dont mean one with tiny little cube speakers for 99 dollars, either). If you HAVE, then I dont know how you could be unhappy with the YS remix...its simply stunning. Eleanor Rigby is an almost religous experience, putting the listener right in the middle of the String quartet. If you HAVENT, then you dont know what youre missing!! And yes, you are right about Cds not handling 5.1 audio. However, theres no secret that the record companies are focused on DVD audio as the next platform. Cds as we know them are reaching the end of their lifecycle. As soon as folks were able to copy them digitally, the record companies knew they had to find something new that could be encripted AND get us to buy our record collections again. I sort of get the feeling that you just dont like DVDs..... thats unfortunate, because in a few years you wont have a choice.....ALL new releases will be on DVD. Bet on it.
Name: Joe
From: Burbank
Time: 2000-02-10 23:06:15
Comments: I'm with you, Mikey. 5.1 is here to stay and I'm excited by the prospects. HOWEVER don't expect all (or many) of the remixes to be stunning. Engineers can't agree on what constitutes a good 5.1 mix. As in stereo mixing, some shoot for as wide a mix as possible, while others feel the sonic spectrum should resemble that of a live show (near mono). I recently attended a 5.1 trade show demo function and was both amazed and discouraged by what I heard. It was disconcerting to hear lead vocals sitting on the top of my head, and I had trouble with parts of the rhythm section sitting behind me. I loved the surround effect of background vocals and support instruments. Some mixes used the rear speakers for ambience only (yecch!) and some were just crazy (left hand of the piano placed left rear -- right hand placed right front!) Now, I'm not criticizing the Beatle remixes. I'm sure they will be handled with great care, but I do fear a whole new batch of rechanneled stuff for 5.1. Why dig out the multi-tracks when a simulated 5.1 mix can be made from the 2 track stereo master? Hey, I could be wrong.
Name: Christopher Kissel
From: Long Island, NY
Time: 2000-02-10 23:06:43
Comments: It is nice to see some agreement regarding the great stereo mixes on the Jamie Kit Kats CDs. Unfortunately, one individual who chooses to hide behind a couple of anonymous postings feels the need to trash the hard work that evidently was put into the mixing of the CDs. One has to wonder about that individual's real motivation for disparaging what is really a superb release. I'm sure other readers of this forum also disregard these types of anonymous postings by individuals that obviously have their own agenda.
Name: beetlefan
Time: 2000-02-10 23:29:59
Comments: Amazing! Again, I find myself agreeing with Luke on the subject of stereo Beatles! I didn't particularly care for YS either, but I apreciate it for what it is. I have a feeling that I won't like the new 5.1 mixes, either. Don't worry, I still like the mono mixes.
Name: C.D. Blanque
From: Redwood City, CA
Time: 2000-02-11 00:25:51
Comments: After exhaustive research and testing, MY favorite three brands of recordable CDs are: 1: WAL-MART EXCELSIOR ** Inexpensive house brand. With purchase of 10, you get free roll of Brawny paper towels. 2: MAXWELL BRAND ** Sold online at bootleg.com. Artwork looks like the more familiar Maxell brand. For the price however, they're ok. Company also markets blanks under the names TD-KAY and Fiji. 3: LAFAYETTE RADIO ** Made exclusively for Lafayette Radio by the same people who used to make Irish tape. Acceptable quality, low price. For a limited time, you get a free dozen when you buy any tape recorder made by Wilcox-Gay, Pentron, Wollensak, Webcor or V-M (Voice Of Music.) All of the above brands can be used to record stereo!
Name: Dan Asvitt
Website:
Time: 2000-02-11 01:42:18
Comments: Joel and Beetlefan,there is no reason to write a book, Pat Downey already has. Top 40 Music on Compact Disc(available at DiscCollector) lists all of the various versions of a song and where they can be found. Pat also denotes whether the song is in stereo or mono. And it's a nice touch that he includes the various Time Life albums. Unfortunately, though, he does not include import albums, such as the great Ace compilations, which are readily available in this country. A potential disadvantage is that Downey's book only lists songs that made the Top 40, but I do not think this is much of a factor since most songs that had an album/stereo mix and a single/mono mix were Top 40 hits anyway. This book is a nice complement to Mike's newsletter and Oldies on CD, since Mike grades the quality of the music, which Downey does not. And, of course, Mike does not restrict his reviews to top 40 music. Marty, "A Satisfied Mind" by BOBBY HEBB was release in stereo on vinyl, but has not been released on CD.
Name: Sunny Jim
Website:
From: Philadelphia, PA
Time: 2000-02-11 07:25:26
Comments: Regarding the Kit Kats, again: I'm truly sorry and disappointed that Christopher Kissel feels it necessary to assign ulterior and sinister motives to my review of the Kit Kat's CD. There are none. I have been a Kit Kats/New Hope fan for many years, having seen them perform live several times. I don't personally know anyone who was involved in the production of the CD. The only axe I have to grind is that the CD's sound was a big let-down and I expected and anticipated much better. I cannot accept the idea that I should just be happy to have anything by the group on CD. If I support poor quality CDs, then I am just encouraging the release of more of them. And, to my ears, the Kit Kats disc is poor quality. The appreciation of music being very subjective, different people are going to hear the disc in different ways. If you like it and it works for you, great. However, I posted to express an opinion, albeit a strong one, and to give my impression of the CD. And when you think about this a bit, all of the reviews of music given by anyone are just opinions, one as valid as the next. Reasonable people can disagree reasonably, without the need for either personal attacks or conspiracy theories!
Name: beetlefan
Time: 2000-02-11 10:28:40
Comments: O.K., I have Pat Downey's 1996 edition of "Top 40 Music On Compact Disc" in front of me and while it does list if something is stereo/mono/45 version/LP mix, it does not detail differences, which is what Joel and I were talking about. And, Dan, you pointed out that it restricts itself to the top 40. Pat did a fine job and his book and it is an invaluble reference, and I use it, but for collectors like ourselves, I think the contents being restricted to just the Top 40 of the Hot 100 or whatever is woefully restrictive. I do realize that detailing differences could be a massive undertaking.
Name: Jay Connors
Time: 2000-02-11 13:48:29
Comments: To those of you who may be recording on "music" CDs, for "home" CD recorders,(Pioneer, Marantz, Phillips, etc)I do have some differences to report regarding name brands of blank recordable music CDs. TDK is wonderful. Used many with no problems at all. Maxell is good too, no problems encountered so far. Kodak is not good. Many problems with many discs, both with compatability with other machines and skipping on the discs themselves. Usually works perfectly until you get to around number 23, 24, 25 tracks. Then clears up again for higher numbers. This happens on several different recordings I have made. Let me clarify by saying that there is absolutely no problem recording and playing back on the same deck. But when you record on the Pioneer, and play back on a boombox for example, Kodak does skip on some of the higher tracks as I have indicated. Maxell and TDK never have in my experience. There is a fourth brand which I have started using, with excellent results, and the lowest price of any found so far: Nashua brand found at Staples in the New York area. Package of ten only $17.99 including a bonus of a "marking pen", which is handy as it turns out. The sound is crystal clear, and so far no skipping or compatibility problems at all. Remember that I am referring only to "For Music Use Only" CDs which have the special tax (Not to mention restrictive coding) which goes to the artists whose work we may be "ripping off." Stay away from Kodak, no matter how cheaply you can obtain them. They are trouble.
Name: beetlefan
Time: 2000-02-11 15:00:47
Comments: Well, for the computer side, I use Sony and TDK data blanks almost exclusively for serious jobs and clients. I use Imation, Fuji and the rest for demos and quickies for the can and short term storage. I understand Yamaha is very good and to stay away from Kodak. They may make your pictures count but they count out my music.
Name: Paul Bigelow
From: Austin, TX
Time: 2000-02-11 15:22:18
Comments: While 5.1 may not be to everyone's liking, it is already here and classic and modern music CD's using DTS encoding are available for purchase right now. Currently I have:

Wings - Band on the Run
Wings - Venus and Mars
Santana - Abraxas
Moody Blues - Days of Future Passed
Steve Miller - Fly Like and Eagle
Police - Greatest Hits

The quality of the mix varies, but there is something interesting going on here and I plan to obtain more. These CD's are put out by DTS and Mobile Fidelity International (I think there is some association to the old Mobile Fidelity by way of Brad Miller).

These CD's are really fun. Maybe now I can justify my Sansui QRX-9001 receiver!

Name: Bradley Olson
Website: Bradley Olson--A Person With Autism
From: Bemidji, Minnesota
Time: 2000-02-11 15:47:35
Comments: Re: DTS. I don't have any DTS titles because I don't have a CD player that can play DTS titles, plus I can't afford them. Conventional stereo and mono is fine enough for me.
Name: Uncle Al
Time: 2000-02-11 16:23:51
Comments: All of the DTS 5.1 discs mentioned by Paul are re-releases of the old Quadrophonic mixes used in the 70's. It seems strange to me that Quadrophonic sound was ultimately rejected by the public, probably due to competing formats (on records:SQ and QS matrix, CD4 Discreet. On tape: 4 track discreet on 8-track cartridges, reel to reel discreet). In the late eightees, the lesser of the formats came back as "Dolby Surround" (which WILL decode your old QS/SQ records!) Now we are taking the discreet 4 channel masters and making DTS discs from them. My question is: If discreet 4 channel sound was rejected 25 years ago, why will it be accepted now? I remeber the following annoying traits: 1) Vocal and Center Channel info was mixed equally in all four channels. It made it sound like the singer was in your head. 2) Being surrounded by the instruments made casual listening impossible.
Name: Paul Bigelow
From: Austin, TX
Time: 2000-02-11 22:31:33
Comments: Well there were several factors in the 70's that contributed to "quads" demise:

1. Several different, competing systems
2. Expensive outlays for the systems (1970's dollars)
3. Wildly varying quality of the reproduction (reel to reel and 8-track wasn't a serious option for most people, although those afforded the best "discrete" methods) as most home decoders were not up to the task.

An opinion: "quad" was probably ahead of its time. "Surround" movies weren't the norm, and stereo movies rare. Television was mono and most automobile radios were mono. Today, "surround" is a must in any serious "home theater" and the requirements are understood by more people than just "hi-fi nuts". So, folks have already invested into "quad" and do not even know it. The 5.1 CDs are for those individuals who can appreciate music in that format.

Name: S. Baird
From: Baton Rouge
Time: 2000-02-12 02:17:11
Comments: When does the parade of Disney characters begin? Will they be coming from our left, right, front or rear? Who will have the sno cones and who the cotton candy?
5.1 channel sound may have its place with video extravaganzas, but I just can't see how hearing the Beatles' All You Need Is Love, with the horns in the rear, and each of the Fab Four in his own channel can come anywhere close to a real musical event. I guess all these years that I've been hearing audio folks rant about how they want things to sound real and natural was just a bunch of hooey. The next thing I guess y'all will want will be scratch and sniff components, which oughta be great when you're listening to Zappa's song about the yellow snow.
Name: Dan Asvitt
Website:
Time: 2000-02-12 02:38:11
Comments: Sorry Beetlefan, but I think you are being overly critical about Pat Downey’s book. To take an example, THE SHANGRILAS, Downey notes that one version of I Can Never Go Home Anymore “includes an extra line at 2:30 that goes ‘listen I’m not finished’ which was not on the original 45 or LP”. On Remember (Walkin’ in the Sand) he notes that one version is “:22 longer than the 45 or LP; is missing echo throughout.” To take another example, Downey notes that all versions of DONNIE BROOKS Mission Bell have “more echo than the original 45 or LP”. He notes which versions of SWINGIN’ MEDALLIONS Double Shot have the “worst hangover” lyric, and which have the “worst morning after” lyric. In addition to the above types of distinctions, I find it very helpful to have a resource that differentiates between the 45 vs LP version and mono vs stereo. Pat also notes re-recordings, wrong pitch, truncated beginnings and endings, alternate takes, studio talk, warns when a song has been filtered by “Waring-fds”, has been remastered from vinyl, is a DJ 45 edit, has been remastered from the master tape, is segued to another song, etc., etc. If you want to say the book is not perfect, I’ll agree with you. But to say that it is woefully restrictive and does not detail differences is much too harsh.
Name: Bob Olivia
From: Burbank, Ca.
Time: 2000-02-12 03:50:27
Comments: Anyone know if an 80 minute CDR will actually record 80 minutes of music? I haven't been able to figure it out.
Name: Boppin' Brian
Website:
From: TigerWoodsville/BabyPanda-monium City
Time: 2000-02-12 06:25:32
Comments: Hey, seein' as there's a few compyooter noid type wonderings here, thought it'd be a chance to slip in a few of my own 2 centvos - worth ... which, as it turns out is much less than a tortilla, I'd have to say, but as for the whole enchilda on this hombre's

CD-R SCENARIO STUFF..... I had some problem, too getting up to 77, 78 minutes onto 80 minute CD-R blanks, until I read ("when all else fails..") bits & blurbs in "instructions" / "help" in program I was using where it says you have to leave a certain amount of free space at the end of music CD-R "open" for the data needed to "close" the "session" ...
What I still haven't figgered out was when using one friend's "SPIN DOCTOR" (Adaptec ..?) was why the thing slaps on a little song snippet (a second or less of each song on the end of the song that has just finished) on the ends of each song on the finished CD-R when copying from computer drive a compilation I made. The songs are converted to .wav files to drive, then the CD is burned in one "pass". This doesn't happen when CD to CD-R copies are made..

A while back someone here had cited that the better "generic" CD-R brands were found to be equal to fancy "high - end" individual "audio" CD-R brands.... They even mentioned a "site" with test data/reviews.... All I remember, unfortunately, is "Verbatim" tested "o.k"... Maybe a search of the "archives" would help... this was maybe 6 mos. ago here. I, for one have had some problems with spindle - packed 80 minute "Memorex" silver (no "label"/ "print") CD-Rs... maybe half a dozen or so in pack had aluminum flaking off or "nicked" .... "pin-holes" . This was before burning them ( entire surface developed bad case of "de-lamination"), in most cases, but often the problem devloped on outer edges of already - burned CD-R.

Sorry, no STEREO nooz this time around...! (Still waiting for alla those offers of "freebies" to pour in though...!)

Name: Tom Daly
Website: Skyline Mastering
From: Metro Boston
Time: 2000-02-12 08:32:14
Comments: With all this chatter about "quad" and the mixes used in the '70s, I'd like to point out that the quad vinyl and tape releases forced the labels to go back to the multis to remix the audio for the quad issues. This is most noticeable on RCA's quad issue of "Nilsson Schmilsson," (APD1-0319) which is not wallowing in the analog tape hiss of the stereo mix. Many of CBS's SQ releases used quad mixes that were drastically different from those on the stereo pressings, too. The SQ masters would not be appropriate for CD release because SQ used phase matrixing to place the sound on a particular channel, but the CD4 masters used by RCA and the WEA family of labels are "discrete quad," and are certainly superior to what either BMG or Time-Warner is using for today's stereo releases. It's doubtful either company has discarded it's quad masters, which could be used to provide superior sound on both stereo CD and 5.1 channel DVD-audio discs.
Name: Lex Bloom, Ahead To Stereo
From: Botson
Time: 2000-02-12 10:28:22
Comments: Mr. Daly has raised a good and valid point regarding the quad issue, and here's to sincere hope that GE/BMG and WEA did not discard the quad masters previously issued on CD4 LPs. One notable example, believe it or nuts, is The Guess Who's tune "Glamour Boy", from either "#10" (RCA APD1-0130) or "Best Of, Vol II" (RCA APD1-0269). The mass-produced stereo version contains all kinds of pitch variations which would lead the ordinary listener to believe that something was dreadfully wrong with his turntable or worse yet (ouch), his CD player. The quad version stays on pitch, the former with the rock star interview and concert sounds, the latter without. Also, quad releases of Seals & Crofts are sonically superior to their stereo counterparts. The only quadragoof is Mike Oldfield's "Tubular Bells" (Virgin QD 13-105) which fades in miserably, and sounds like Capitol's duophonic process; big mistake. Back to the drawing board, Mike.
Name: Luke Pacholski
Website: LukPac.org
From: Madison, WI
Time: 2000-02-12 11:25:29
Comments: Bob, Brian, re: I've got a spindle (50) of Memorex 80 minute blanks. I've had no problems burning - I've gone out to at least 78:30, possibly farther. As far as free space at the end - that is *after* the 80 minute mark. If you did record the free space you could actually put something like 81 or 82 minutes of music on an 80 minute blank. That's called overburning. As for what brands are best, etc - whatever works for you. Personally I've had problems both writing and reading Maxell discs, so I stay away from them. On the other side, I've *never* had a problem with Verbatim media (correction - in it's current formulation; I did have some problems with older Verbatim media). I'm about halfway through this Memorex 80 minute spindle and haven't had a problem.
Name: Luke Pacholski
Website: LukPac.org
From: Madison, WI
Time: 2000-02-12 11:25:16
Comments: Bob, Brian, re: I've got a spindle (50) of Memorex 80 minute blanks. I've had no problems burning - I've gone out to at least 78:30, possibly farther. As far as free space at the end - that is *after* the 80 minute mark. If you did record the free space you could actually put something like 81 or 82 minutes of music on an 80 minute blank. That's called overburning. As for what brands are best, etc - whatever works for you. Personally I've had problems both writing and reading Maxell discs, so I stay away from them. On the other side, I've *never* had a problem with Verbatim media (correction - in it's current formulation; I did have some problems with older Verbatim media). I'm about halfway through this Memorex 80 minute spindle and haven't had a problem.
Name: Alan
From: Phoenix
Time: 2000-02-12 12:39:01
Comments: Not all of the DTS disc are made from quad masters, the Marvin Gaye DTS disc is a new remix. I’ve haven’t seen the Police disc, but it would have to be remixed. The quad issue of "Nilsson Schmilsson," (APD1-0319) may not have the tape hiss, but it contain a really messed up mix of “Jump Into The Fire” that does not have the same musical elements as the stereo version. I’ve read books on SQ quad mastering were it was stated that both a SQ encoded 2-track and a discreet 4-channel were produced during a quad mixdown. This process may of not always used but, many of the early CBS quad 8-tracks were manufactured with either encoded SQ stereo or discreet 4-channel, a practice quickly abandoned. As I slowly convert and rediscover my quad records to CD-R, I am amazed at the hit and miss effects that engineers used to produce these mixes. Does anyone have any stories about the last NARM convention were Jack Holzman played new 5.1 remixes of Doobie Bothers and ELP?
Name: beetlefan
Time: 2000-02-12 13:42:01
Comments: Dan, if you go back to my original post about this issue, you will see that I meant that the book was inadequete in terms of the list of songs! You may have a later ediotion because my copy doesn't have so many detailed comments.

Boppin' Brian! Gimmie some skin, man! Anyway, Spin Doctor is not the best program to use for recording and burning CD's. I use CEP, CE2000 to record analog, then use CD CReator's main program for burning CD-R's. While other programs are Much more sophisticated, Creator 4 does allow one to insert custom space between songs and allows for crossfading tracks.

I just burned over 77 minutes on an 80 min. Memorex blank last night. All the 80 minute Memorex blanks work fine for me, so far. I'll let you know in a year if they're still holding up. I also live an a low humidity area, but the temperatures can get into the hundreds. The old Verbatum formula worked fine for me.
Name: Luke Pacholski
Website: LukPac.org
From: Madison, WI
Time: 2000-02-12 17:40:47
Comments: Let me clarify on the Verbatim issue. For awhile, most of the discs were being made in Singapore. They had a very dark blue reflective surface. Those worked great. The newer discs (made in Taiwan) work great as well. However, for awhile some were coming out of Japan, and those had a lighter blue recording surface. I've had people complain they couldn't read those discs. One way to tell those discs from the others is the inner ring has "CD-RECORDABLE (insert # here)-74". The "better" discs don't have any such writing. Also (as a side note), the newer blanks (first from Singapore, now Taiwan) have a more white label side (the older blanks had a silver colored top) - it seems a bit more durable to me.
Name: Luke Pacholski
Website: LukPac.org
From: Madison, WI
Time: 2000-02-12 17:40:50
Comments: Let me clarify on the Verbatim issue. For awhile, most of the discs were being made in Singapore. They had a very dark blue reflective surface. Those worked great. The newer discs (made in Taiwan) work great as well. However, for awhile some were coming out of Japan, and those had a lighter blue recording surface. I've had people complain they couldn't read those discs. One way to tell those discs from the others is the inner ring has "CD-RECORDABLE (insert # here)-74". The "better" discs don't have any such writing. Also (as a side note), the newer blanks (first from Singapore, now Taiwan) have a more white label side (the older blanks had a silver colored top) - it seems a bit more durable to me.
Name: Alain Dupont
From: Quebec (Canada)
Time: 2000-02-12 18:35:47
Comments: MONO WARNING! The Roger Miller compilation in the "20th Century Masters - Millennium Collection" series is, for no sane reason, TOTALLY IN MONO. So be warned and save your money.
Name: Bradley Olson
Website: Bradley Olson--A Person With Autism
From: Bemidji, Minnesota
Time: 2000-02-12 19:33:32
Comments: Re: Roger Miller. The reissue of "Golden Hits" is still in print and you can get the stereo versions of many of the same songs you get in mono on the boxed set and on the "20th Century Masters" collection on it. The "20th Century Masters-Millennium Collection" series is mostly for the casual fans anyway.
Name: Ken Garland
From: Los Angeles
Time: 2000-02-12 20:43:03
Comments: Henri, i too loved that movie and saw it six times the first week (i was 14) and was very glad to finally find it on cd.
Name: David R. Modny
Time: 2000-02-12 20:50:00
Comments: Hi everyone - I just picked up the Varese, Bobby Darin '66-'69 best of package and was wondering if some of the Darin experts out there (I noticed some familiar names in the liner "thank you's") could help me. Being that I'm just getting into his folk-period recordings, I'm wondering why the decision was made to do the bulk of this package in mono? Are the stereo mixes "drastically" different or inferior...or was this strictly an Inglot based "mono is better" decree. I'm not even sure of the stereo availablity on some of these tracks; but hasn't "Carpenter" been available in perfectly acceptable stereo for years (or have I not been paying close enough attention when it comes on the radio!). Any info would be much appreciated (i.e. is there a package that contains this stuff in decent quality stereo?).
Name: terryoregon
From: Beaverton, Oregon
Time: 2000-02-12 21:48:48
Comments:

I was just reading about DVD audio in my "Sound & Vision" magazine (formerly Stereo Review) and that got me to thinking. Do producers like Varese and Taragon record from master tapes at a higher sampling rate than what actually winds up on a normal CD? In other words, could music compilations be re-released on DVD audio at the higher sampling rate (without going back to the master tapes again), thus giving us even better sound quality?

I'm waiting for something to sound as good as what I heard in 1968 when I was sixteen. I went to a neighbors house and they let me listen (headphones) to a pre-recorded stereo reel-to-reel tape of Connie Francis. I've never heard anything sound that good since. I could heard her breath and "see" the moisture on her lips. I'm hoping DVD audio will approach that because CD just doesn't have the silky smoothness I heard on that tape.
Name: Marty Wekser
From: Los Angeles
Time: 2000-02-13 01:14:17
Comments: To David Modny...while I don't speak for Bill Inglot or Varese, I will tell you that the stereo mixes provided by the Darin estate (at least the "Broadway" material) are definitely inferior sounding to the mono ones, which is why Varese went with mono on "SWINGIN' THE STANDARDS". These same tapes were made available in England to a label called Diablo; they elected to release the stereo versions on a two-fer combining "In A Broadway Bag" with "Shadow Of Your Smile." There are, however, some songs on the U.K. two-fer which are not on the Varese CD and vice-versa.
Name: Marty Wekser
Website: sourceq@earthlink.net
From: Los Angeles
Time: 2000-02-13 01:19:46
Comments: I notice the recent reappearance of a former BSN poster who advised that he would no longer be visiting this site again. I guess this only proves: You can check out anytime you like..but you can never leave!
Name: beetlefan
Time: 2000-02-13 04:52:04
Comments: terryoregon, That seems to be the standard nowadays, sampling at 96K/24-bit.

Marty, The link to your website didn't work for me.

Welcome back, Tom! Perhaps we should all go to Tom's site more often.
Name: Eliot Goshman
Website: click HERE for Taragon Records homepage!!!
Time: 2000-02-13 08:14:59
Comments: In response to the question about DVD audio, I've done a lot of tape transfers at both 24 bit and 48K, but none at 96 as most studios are not yet equipped...frankly, in the older music projects that Taragon releases, I don't hear much of a difference. The age of the material seems to be more of a limiting factor as to how much quality can be squeezed out of a master tape.
Name: Marty Natchez
From: The Great Lakes
Time: 2000-02-13 19:04:12
Comments: When I remember Beatlemania invading America 36 years this month, I can still recall the excitement of hearing "I Want To Hold Your Hand" on the radio. It wasn't until I heard the true stereo mix on a British import LP that I really appreciated the impact of Capitol's mono-mixed orange-and-yellow swirled single. To this day, I still prefer Capitol's mono mix to any other. The British mix sounds cleaner, but it doesn't have the punch of those famous opening chords that changed the sound of rock forever.

Which leads me to this thought: It's my opinion that "I Want To Hold Your Hand" is one song that falls apart in stereo. The separation destroys the "pop ambience," in a matter of speaking. Surely, I'm not a stereo defector, but I'd be interested in asking fellow BSN contributors to fess up, if there's another oldie that you actually prefer hearing in MONO, rather than in stereo, and justifying why that's the case. Any takers?

One more thing: If anyone can direct me to more information about the death of Ace Records founder Johnny Vincent, I would appreciate hearing from you. I'm not having much luck on the Web.

Name: Jeff McFadden
Referred by: From a Friend
From: upstate New York
Time: 2000-02-13 19:55:49
Comments: What a great place! I've learned a lot from you guys.And while I'm here, what better place to ask: does anyone know how or where I can get Jack Bruce's "Harmony Row" (1971) and "Out of the Storm" (1974) releases? They were issued on CD sometime in the late 80s or early 90s. Jeff McFadden
Name: John Sellards
From: Beckley, WV
Time: 2000-02-13 20:11:21
Comments: Okay, Marty, how about "The Letter" by the Box Tops? I have the stereo version on several things, and three copies of the original 45 (pressed label, printed label and promo) and the original mono LP (which DOES have the 45 version). I love this song in mono! Aside from the obvious plus - there is three part harmony on the chorus on the mono, missing on the stereo - the song just gels in mono where the stereo sounds like a bunch of parts not quite making up a whole. The "pop ambiance" is there on the mono.
Name: Luke Pacholski
Website: LukPac.org
From: Madison, WI
Time: 2000-02-13 20:45:01
Comments: Marty, re: I won't take sides on what mix of "I Want To Hold Your Hand" is better, but it should be noted that the mono mix is the original UK single mix - don't go giving Capitol any more credit than it deserves (and it deserves *NO* credit)! You can find that mix on CD in the singles box set.
Name: David R. Modny
Time: 2000-02-13 23:25:06
Comments: Has anyone ever heard George Martin's first, 1963 stereo mix of "I Want To Hold Your Hand". It only showed up on an Australian reissue single. I have it, and it's truly bizarre!...the only "center-fill" being GH's guitar part. FWIW, I also prefer the mono "Letter" over the stereo, though I suspect it's the additional harmonies that make the difference for me.
Name: Luke Pacholski
Website: LukPac.org
From: Madison, WI
Time: 2000-02-14 00:42:53
Comments: David, re: I've heard *of* that mix, but I haven't heard it. Sounds like the stereo mix of This Boy, which while listed as being done in 1966, wouldn't surprise me if it was done in 1963... Of course, there's also the stereo mix of Money, which somehow has the vocals centered, as well as a different balance from the mono (and it was recorded on twin-track, not 4 track). Go figure...
Name: John Preston
From: Arlington, Texas
Time: 2000-02-14 01:35:33
Comments: Clearly, the mono, single version of "The Letter" by Box Tops is different, so, better than the stereo version, in my opinion, while the stereo version of "I Want To Hold Your Hand" is better than the mono. In this collector's mind, stereo is better if it's the same take as the mono, single version, while I prefer the mono, single version, if they are different. Pretty simple, really. But, everyone has their own opinion. That is what it boils down to. So, really, we need to have both versions available on cd, so everyone is happy. Right? As far as DVD, 5 point whatever is concerned, if it is possible, let's have it. Let's make up our own minds, when, and if they get released. Like everything else ( such as cloning), if we have the technology, let's use it. Every technological skill we possess must be used, or it's wasted, in my opinion. Even quad had it's place in our history, whether it works, or not.
Name: beetlefan
Time: 2000-02-14 04:39:08
Comments: Marty, a few of my favorite mono mixes that beat the stereo any day:
Joy To The World-Three Dog Night
The Horse-Cliff Nobels & Co.
Hey Jude-The Beatles
You Can't Hurry Love-The Supremes
Ball Of Confusion (That's What The World Is Today)-The Temptations
I Want You Back-The Jackson 5
I Think We're Alone Now-Tommy James & The Shondells
Name: Uncle Al
From: Long Island, NY
Time: 2000-02-14 06:56:49
Comments: Better in mono: Rolling Stones "Satisfaction" and "Mothers Little Helper". The entire backing track (drums, bass, guitars) is placed hard left, the vocals are centered and are about 6 db too loud, in "Helper" spartan lead guitar overdubs are hard right, "Satisfaction" has an acoustic guitar track hard right. The acoustic guitar in "Satisfaction" is ALMOST lost in the mono and way too loud in the stereo. Both tracks lack the punch of the mono. The stereo mixes are only LEGITIMATELY available on out of print import cd's, the current standard catalog only has the mono. Despite my preferences, I still feel that the stereo should be made available for those who want them.
Name: Uncle Al
From: Long Island, NY
Time: 2000-02-14 08:42:57
Comments: Better in mono: "Tomorrow Never Knows" by The Beatles. Stereo imaging seems (aside from the effects track panning left/right)to be mostly the result of ADT. The mono mix accents the bass and drums and sounds closer to a heavy rock song - much more punch. Throw in "Taxman" (also from Revolver)as better in mono for the same reasons.
Name: beetlefan
Time: 2000-02-14 09:04:13
Comments: Better in mono: "Paperback Writer", stronger bass, sounds more like a rock song and has more punch. Also, "Revolution". The stereo destroys the sonic impact. The song does not work with hard panned drums and guitars. "Hey Jude" also sounds better in mono. The brass on the "naaaa-na-na-na-na-na-naaaa" part really stands out. The mono mix sounds much more united and runs longer than the stereo mix. The heavy compression helps. One more, "Get Back". The mono just sounds more like a jam and the lead guitar stands out.
Name: Luke Pacholski
Website: LukPac.org
From: Madison, WI
Time: 2000-02-14 10:03:38
Comments: A few stereo notes - Satisfaction & Mother's Little Helper: Westwood One put out some promo CDs for radio stations that have remixes of these songs - the rhythm track is moved a bit to center and in both cases, the "feel" of the mono mix is there. As far as Revolution goes, I finally heard the mono mix a few months ago, and I'm not all that impressed. I was expecting more. I'll stick with the stereo. Dito for all those other Beatles mixes you mentioned.
Name: beetlefan
Time: 2000-02-14 12:48:09
Comments: Luke, about the Beatles mono mixes, it's not about sound quality, it's about impact and *feel*.
Name: Kevin
Referred by: From a Friend
From: Seattle
Time: 2000-02-14 12:56:24
Comments: Just wanted to let you know that a title is missing from your Big Tree discography. On Lobo's "Of A Simple Man" BTS-2100, you failed to include the hit track: Don't Expect Me To Be Your Friend.. Hope this helps in your updates.
Name: Luke Pacholski
Website: LukPac.org
From: Madison, WI
Time: 2000-02-14 14:12:10
Comments: Beetle, re: I know it's about "feel" - however, to me, the mono mixes just don't "feel" that much better. Yea, they are a little different, but nothing that makes me feel that the mono mixes are ultimately superior to the stereo mixes. My 2 cents, anyway...
Name: Andrew
Website:
Referred by: AOL
From: Atlanta metro area
Time: 2000-02-14 14:16:23
Comments: Here's my choice for an oldie better in mono: "Hold On, I'm Coming" by Sam & Dave. That first Stax singles box set is what made me a convert to CD mono, too bad so many other transfers don't have that stone-heavy sound Atlantic squezed out of those Memphis masters.
Name: Marty Wekser
From: Los Angeles
Time: 2000-02-14 15:05:58
Comments: Regarding the recent posts about hit singles - mono vs. stereo... I really believe some of this really comes down to "familiarity". In hindsight, maybe it's too bad that recording studio techniques were way ahead of AM radio broadcasting's inherent limitations. Too bad that radio's (and to some extent jukebox) requirements dictated what was released on 7" vinyl. Problem is, we grew up with the sound of these records. I think we can go back now and listen to stereo mixes of many of these songs (i.e. Motown) and develop a whole new respect for them. But this is based on us hearing something new and different and appreciating it for that.. not comparing it with the original. There's no way to beat the absolute punch of "I Want You Back" by the Jackson 5 both on the original single and the way it sounded on your favorite Top 40 station. But the stereo mix does add a whole new dimension and I'm glad it is available to appreciate. But I would not want to have to say which one is BETTER. They're both different and we should be able to appreciate each of them for what they offer. I'm sure this viewpoint can easily be applied to many of the Beatles tracks too. The only problem I have is with recent attempts to re-create the original mono hits in stereo. Sometimes they work, but if the original single had, say, lots of reverb, compression, eq, etc. then if you do a stereo mix from the multi-tracks and eliminate all of the things which probably made the record great in the first place, you wind up with something that usually sounds very sterile. And then being able to say that you can hear every instrument, every vocal breath and things you didn't hear on the mono record doesn't necessarily make the new stereo experience worthwhile. And it should go without saying that I am talking about "same takes" in either format. I still can't buy the Motown stereo versions where they are different performances from the original monos.
Name: StereoFan
Time: 2000-02-14 15:40:05
Comments: Has anyone heard the Four Tops-Shake Me, Wake Me-25 Greatest Hits 1964-1973 on RAVEN RECORDS?
Name: Dave
From: Tucson
Time: 2000-02-14 15:51:29
Comments: Much of the feel of 60s (and 50s) rock and roll came from the 15-20db of compression used by the average AM rock station along with the CBS Volumax which was standard equipment designed to make sounds leap out of the radio. Can we please end this useless debate about which is better. If you like mono great. If you like stereo great. To say one is better than the other is pointless. Marty said it well, if the mix is accurate to the orginal, that is what matters. Dave
Name: Groovin' Garrett
Time: 2000-02-14 16:38:07
Comments: Re: "I Want To Hold Your Hand" mono mix---the mono mix found on the original Capitol 45 is NOT the same as the UK Parlophone mono mix. Dave Dexter Jr. was responsible for adding echo and slight compression to tracks on the first few albums, and the 45 of "IWTHYH" was no exception. Stand the two mono mixes up to each other, and you'll see what I mean. The Capitol 45 has more PUNCH than the Parlophone, and that's what made is sound SO GOOD on your transistor radio back in January '64.
Name: beetlefan
Time: 2000-02-14 17:43:26
Comments: Marty, I can't get into Motown stereo that's different than the mono either! But, you're right about the familiarity issue. I grew up with the singles and for me to get the Stax/Volt box and the Motown singles box was like going back home again. But, as i've pointed out in the past, many here did not listen to AM radio or buy singles. A couple weren't even around back then, so it's all acedemic to them. I have very strong emotional attachments to Motown and Stax music.

What is it going to take for Motown to release the mono version of Jimmy Ruffin's "I've Passed This Way Before"?
Name: Tom Daly
Website: Skyline Mastering
From: Metro Boston
Time: 2000-02-14 19:50:06
Comments: I, too, have to agree with Marty Wekser over stereo and mono mixes of the same take. Both can be appreciable for what they are, without the sake of comparison. For well over twenty years, we've heard nothing but the stereo mix of "California Dreamin'" and the rest of the Mamas and Papas hits. Hearing the mono mixes again is refreshing, but we've come to accept the stereo mixes as "the standard." I think it comes down to familiarity. Some of us didn't buy the 45s; we bought the stereo LPs, and that's what we're used to hearing. A first pressing copy of If You Can Believe Your Eyes and Ears in stereo is just as much an original copy as the Dunhill single of "California Dreamin'" so just because an AM station played the 45 and an FM stereo station played the LP doesn't make one right and the other wrong. It's just what we're used to hearing. Neither issue is more correct than the other.
Name: Bradley Olson
Website: Bradley Olson--A Person With Autism
From: Bemidji, Minnesota
Time: 2000-02-14 19:52:46
Comments: Here's the great news: I finally got my copy of BSN that has pages 721 and 728. This shows that Mike really cares about his customers and I will definitely renew my subscription.
Name: Marty Wekser
From: Los Angeles
Time: 2000-02-14 21:17:44
Comments: A few recent comments dismissed Universal's Millennium Series as sort of something with appeal only to the "casual" listener (the inference I believe was to that "casual" listener to whom the CD buying experience is best satisfied at Wal-mart!). My own take on this series, especially the Motown ones, is that they are very good if you want to hear the best of the stereo hits, recently remastered, and for a nice price (apologies to Sony marketing!) Except for the odd tracks on the Martha & Vandellas which are not edited as were the original singles (and the still mediocre version of "Jimmy Mack"), I think they (Universal) did a very good job. I specifically recommend the Miracles, Mary Wells, Temptations (volumes one and two), Four Tops, Marvin Gaye (volumes one and two), Jackson Five and Supremes. To the best of my knowledge, most of the stereo material on these CD's was formerly available in stereo only on rather expensive Motown sets, or on Time-Life's "Your Hit Parade". This is not an editorial promoting the stereo mixes over the mono. I think it was important to get a well mastered version of all the Motown hits in mono (on the box set done by Bill Inglot) which serves as a good benchmark. But if you want to delve further into hearing some of these great classics in real stereo, I put my money on the Millenniums. Unfortunately there are no plans to issue a sorely needed Marvelettes package in this series, though I hear that there could possibly be a Jr. Walker CD down the road.
Name: beetlefan
Time: 2000-02-14 23:56:21
Comments: I do try to get the best of the Motown mono and stereo on CD. I did listen to several Motown stereo LP's growing up, two favorites being "The Supremes-A-Go-Go" and The Temptations' "With A Lot Of Soul", among others.
Name: Roger Round
From: Vancouver , BC
Time: 2000-02-15 00:01:19
Comments: I just had to add my 2 cents worth, I don't usually do this but here goes . All this stereo/mono debate is good to read but dammit I was raised on mono (being 40 something) and I used to own a record player that had one speaker. So I didn't know or really care that the 45 I bought was in stereo or mono.Now in the seventies i bought a STEREO record player that came with 2 speakers and then and only then did I hear the difference. So today having a fairly good STEREO, tunes that i used to hear in mono in the 60's I can listen to today in Stereo. I bought a Beatle boot last year of the first four in Stereo and with the exception of the first album the rest sound awesome. I had never heard some of the Beatles in true stereo and I'm sure not waiting for EMI , Capitol , Apple , George Martin or whoever owns the rights to get off their duff and release them. I'm sorry for sounding a bit ruff but I thought this was a Stereo board.I realize some songs were never mixed in stereo and I'll just live with that. I've been trying for years to collect local Vancouver artists and I have pretty well what i want and most of those are in mono but that's all there is. I can't complain about not having all the songs i want in stereo i'm just grateful for what I have.And to Marty re: Millenium cd's , I've bought about half a dozen and i agree that they were cheaper and they sound pretty darn good.So thanx for letting me sound off a bit and I realize that we come from all different backgrounds and have different musical tastes but we wouldn't be on this particular board if we weren't able to share our thoughts, ideas , and resources. Since reading this board i personally have learned a whole lot , sometimes I feel like a student in a room full of teachers. Personal kudos to Mike for having this board, and to Tom Daly for answering a lot of my questions unconditionally, and a special thanx to Brad Olson (great web page) you're an inspiration! Quote from Savoy Brown "Wouldn't it be a real drag if we were all the same".
Name: Marty Natchez
From: The Great Lakes
Time: 2000-02-15 11:59:34
Comments: Okay, let's cool it. When I asked for input about subjectively preferring a mono mix over a stereo mix, I didn't expect to light a fire of ire. Personally, I've read all of your candidates and comments with great interest. I even appreciated being reminded about "I Want You Back" by the Jackson 5. That song will always sound like a smash on the 45 mix, but, as far as I'm concerned, it's a dud in stereo. To this day, I still can't figure why the mono mix has not been released on CD. And while Marty W. is content to ascribe the stereo mix's merits as a "new dimension," he can only be speaking of how a basically well-recorded and unenhanced mix can stand on its own. Still, the magic of the hit version was only in the single mix.

Now if I had to nominate one of the worst stereo mixes I have ever heard, it would be Diane Renay's "Kiss Me Sailor" on her 20th Century LP. Those of you still lusting to hear that track will be shocked at the "lousy" balance between the vocals and the instrumentation. Sounds like "Slide Pot City" in the hands of amateurs. And to think that Bob Crewe would be associated with it is mind boggling. All I'm saying is that "Kiss Me Sailor," regardless of its rarity, is hardly a candidate for the Stereo Hall of Fame.

Topics come and go, and, yes, this is a stereo chatboard. Let's remember, though, that rock 'n' roll was born on AM radio. Singles were mono, for that reason. Once, we were all "Hi-Fi" and, like it or not, stereo gave consumers a choice to spend an extra dollar or not. As the debate in recent days has shown, there are mono-only mixes that DO overide narrow-minded stereo mentality. Don't we have a big tent here? Aren't we all here to learn? What would we do without this chat board? Think about that.

Name: Chuck Iverson
From: San Fran. bay area
Time: 2000-02-15 12:51:35
Comments: I am typoing in true stereo, both ears? Just wanted to mention the passing of DJ Peter Tripp, we were damn lucky to get him on the rebound into San Francisco @ KYA, we received several east coast DJ's at the same time, Dopnahue, Mitchell etc. But Peter was truly the class act of all, a real pro for our market. Had the chance to meet him at the Nob Hill studios,[in the good old days]. of couse there was the checkered past; rumored to be pushing "stereo records" before their time.
Name: mike arcidiacono
Time: 2000-02-15 12:54:08
Comments: Re: Sea of Tunes.....anybody know a good (read, "cheap") mail order source for the Sea of Tunes Cds? They have just released a STEREO two-fer of "The Beach Boys Today" and "Summer Days", plus bonus tracks. Sounds like the best one yet!! There are some killer tunes on those LPs. Anybody know of a Jackie and Gale Cd on Marginal? Mikey
Name: mike arcidiacono
Time: 2000-02-15 13:15:05
Comments: Re: Diane Renay Hmmm.....interesting comment by Marty about "Kiss Me Sailor". I cant agree, I dont think the stereo mix is bad at all, its a pretty normal stereo mix for 1964. As far as it being one of the worst, I mean, come on. Any binaural mix where there is absolutely NO blending of the channels is worse. In fact, when I first heard it, I flipped, because I had heard the song so many times in flat mono (as in NAVY BLUE flat mono) that the stereo was a treat. And while we are on the subject, I believe the three track master to "Navy Blue" does exist. If 20th Century Fox had it, they would have used it on the Navy Blue Lp, as they did with KMS. The stereo LP had the song in mono. This could mean that all they ever had was the mono master, hence it WASNT thrown out in 1970. So, if Bob Crewe would search his archives, I'd bet he would find it. Bob, are you out there?? Mikey
Name: beetlefan
Time: 2000-02-15 13:26:25
Comments: Marty Natchez, you sound as if the tent is collapsing! It's as strong as ever! We need these kinds of debate here. What a boring place this would be if all we did was just announce stereo finds form the 50's and 60's.

Also Marty, you can find the MONO 45 mix of "I Want You Back" on the "Hitsville USA: The Motown Singles Collection 1959-1971" box. I'm surprised you didn't know that!:-) It's been out for nearly a decade. The MONO mix of the flipside, "Who's Lovin' You" is on Rhino's "Beg, Scream And Shout" box, ans runs longer then the stereo mix. The mono mix is very different. In fact, the Jackson 5 catalog has not been served well at all. Even the excellent STEREO box is missing a few choice cuts aside of not having what I believe are superior MONO mixes of some of the earlier hits.
Name: John Preston
From: Arlington, Texas
Time: 2000-02-15 15:23:53
Comments: I agree! "Kiss Me Sailor" sounds fantastic in stereo to me! To each their own, I guess. The early hits of Sandy Posey are the ones that I hate in stereo, but only because they have need to be remastered. A friend proved it last year by remastering three of her four hits in much better sounding stereo than the commercial (Collectables) cd. Now, if someone would just remaster "What a Woman In Love Won't Do" into stereo.
Name: Marty Natchez
From: The Great Lakes
Time: 2000-02-15 16:01:19
Comments: OUCH! I sure have the hive a-buzzin' now. Yes, beetlefan, I do own both "Hitsville USA" box sets, and I never thought to reference the Jackson 5 track on that first volume. Please accept my plea of personal ignorance.

As for "Kiss Me Sailor," it's odd that I would remember such a poorly mixed version of the song. That's why I've never been surprised that it has not been legitimately reissued. Could it be that I have a different pressing of the stereo album?

Could there have been a first pressing of the "Navy Blue" LP with a rejected stereo mix?

Just thinking out loud. I'm NOT trying to start a rumor. But it's strange that my memory of "Kiss Me Sailor's stereo mix would be so strongly contradicted. I'm off to check my pressing again. So see ya later, stereo sailors. Looks like it's anchor's away once more.

Name: CHAS
Time: 2000-02-16 00:02:21
Comments: QUOTE.."Just imagine this site with ONLY STEREO finds from the 50's & 60's...Beetlefan....BOY CAN I!!!!!!!!I HAVE PAID MONEY FOR 2 EDITIONS OF MIKES BOOK...BEEN A SUBSCRIBER SINCE THE BEGINNING...THE REASON...S T E R E O!!!!!! NEWS, FINDS, QUALITY REISSUES!ETC...UNSUBCRIBERS INVADING THIS WONDERFUL CHAT LIKE A MONO PLAGUE WITH NO CURE...GET IT..BOTH SIDES NOW-S T E R E O- NEWSLETTER! I AM SICK OF READING THE SAME REDERICK OVER AND OVER AGAIN ABOUT MONO SINGLES..ETC..MIKE STARTED HIS NEWSLETTER IN MY OPINION TO S P R E A D THE S T E R E O..WORD..HOW MANY TIMES DID WE GET BURNED WITH MONO REISSUES? HOW MANY CDS HAVE YOU PURCHASED AND GOT RIPPED OFF THINKING MAYBE IT WILL CONTAIN A RARE STEREO TREAT? I FEEL I HAVE A RIGHT LIKE ALL THE OTHER MONOMEGLIACS TO EXPRESS HOW I FEEL..I KNOW I AM NOT ALONE..NOW WHEN I PLUG INTO THIS CHAT I AM HOPING WITH BOTH EYES TO READ A GREAT POST OF S T E R E O INFORMATION..WHICH HAS BECOME A REAL RARITY HERE!!!!! I WANT MY STEREO BSN! I MISS IT...JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THIS MONO PLAGUE IS IN EVERY NEWSGROP AND CHAT BOARD THIS BUG CAN INFECT......S T E R E O
Name: beetlefan
Time: 2000-02-16 00:19:33
Comments: Chas, mellow out and stop yelling!!!!

I don't mean to sound as if I'm flaming anyone here, but this is the )))NARROW-MINDEDNESS(((that another poster was referring to. Mono is a reality and mono cuts are here to stay, so we must deal with them.Some stereo, as nice as it may sound just doesn't match the original mono hit singles. That's all we're saying. Yeah, if someone like Bob Irwin and Vic Anecsini could remix all that mono to stereo and make them *sound* just like the mono, like they've done with Simon & Garfunkel, The McCoys and others, we'd all be happy. But that's not going to ever happen.

When Mike C. started his newsletter, I'll bet even he never realized what a Pandora's box would be opened with this subject. Even most posters on this board have conceeded that not all mono is bad, even though most would prefer stereo. Appreciate both for what they are, and go put on some nice (((WIDE STEREO))) and relaaaax...
Name: CHAS
Time: 2000-02-16 00:33:42
Comments: BEETLE..I AM NOT SHOUTING...I'M SCREAMING FOR STEREO...Maybe since you let your subscription expire as you posted earlier and your real interest is MONO It's FREE TO INVADE HERE and ramble about the same thing over ad over and over again...MONO...Poll this audience and ask them why they pay money for a STEREO NEWSLETTER and a STEREO BOOK...and would they still subscribe and visit here if all was controlled by a MONONMEGLIAC!!!! Do NOT USE THIS BSN CHAT FOR a back and forth battle with me! I have a right to my OPINION! Why don't you start your OWN NEWSLETTER and CHAT and call it ONE SIDE ONE EAR NOW..the MONO lovers haven...Leave me alone and let me LOVE my STEREO!!!!!
Name: John Preston
From: Arlington, Texas
Time: 2000-02-16 02:14:22
Comments: Actually, Chaz, like you, I'd love to read about newly released stereo every day in this forum, but that isn't going to happen. Even if new stereo recordings of 50's and 60's hits were to be released every week, how many of us would be able to review them. Certainly, if someone wants to pay me, I'll be glad to buy all the new releases and review them for BSN, but that isn't going to happen, either, so we just have to be patient and watch for new releases, when they come out. Rest assured, there will always be some of us taking a chance on some unknown cd, and reporting back to this forum as to stereo content, sound quality, etc. But let's don't get too upset over the differences of opinion expressed here. Everyone is different, with varying tastes in music. Some of us (old fogeys) prefer 50's and 60's hits, some prefer 70's and 80's. Still others maybe lean toward early 50's, and the first golden era of stereo. In some cases, mono may seem better, while in most cases, we prefer stereo. It is all relevent to what this forum seems to be about. Like you, I am a charter member of BSN, and I wouldn't trade anything about it. It's been loads of fun, very rewarding, and extremely expensive, I'm afraid. But it's all worth it. Since we are a small group, it would seem that we should be able to, at least, get along; accept our differences. Personally, I live for the next "Red Bird", "Cameo/Parkway", "Legacy", "Sundazed", "Taragon", "Ace", or "Eric" release. Maybe, just maybe they will contain another "previously unreleased" stereo hit.
Name: Chas
Time: 2000-02-16 03:33:19
Comments: Hi John...I think your missing the point...MONO is a DIRTY WORD to most avid BSN readers...I too am an older collector.If you scan thru all your back isses of BSN and read the intro in MIKEs Book..STEREO is the MAIN elemnt for BSN's existance....I grew up listening to the 45's on AM radio in the early 60's..How many times has Mike told us in discust of ANOTHER MONO issue of something that should havebeen STEREO...Before the MONO BUG almost all the info coming into BSN was about STEREO issues and reissues.I prefer a MONO release if there is nothing but FAKE STEREO reissue.I guess there is not much to talk about STEREO wise so MONO is the unfortunate alternative...Everyone has the right to speak their minds...I HAVE PURCHASED MANY CD REISSUES THAT WERE NOT REVIEWED HERE OR IN BSN AND HAVE BEEN BURNED AND FOUND SOME GEMS ALSO..I DON'T WAIT FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO SPEND THEIR HARD EARNED MONEY SO I CAN SAVE MINE...LIFE IS A GAMBLE AND TAKING STEREO CHANCES IS PART OF COLLECTING...In conclusion BSN I thought was first and foremost STEREO orientated....with an occasional MONO slip in thru the BACK DOOR....and Mikey SEA OF TUNES did not go out of business as you stated earlier...fortunately it was just a rumor..thankfully! That series is so INCREDIBLE! and enjoyable...Nothing said is personal..How can it be when we are all just typewritten words in cyberspace venting our OPINIONS...and sharing our knowledge...To all a STEREO hug...
Name: beetlefan
Time: 2000-02-16 04:13:51
Comments: Hello everyone, I am a collector and a lover of music just like the rest of you. When I hear of a song I like that's just come out in stereo, I buy it. If I like it I keep it. If I don't, I get rid of it. I was excited about hearing "I Think We're Alone" by Tommy James and the Shondells in stereo. I bought it and it bore little resemblence to the hit mono mix. I was again excited when they found the stereo "Tell It Like It Is" by Aaron Neville. I found a copy of it on CD and it didn't take me back to when it came home from the store back in '66. But I still have it. I love the new stereo "Pet Sounds". I get thrilled when Sony Legacy comes out with new remixed stereo. But...I want my music to also sound like it did when I was three years old (yes, I have an accurate recall of this time in my life), and that usually meant MONO 45's.

I bought Mike's books, and I use them. Yes, I let my subscription to BSN lapse during a difficult time and just never got around to renewing it. And I do miss the valuble information it has.

I will continue to post here. This beetle-bug isn't going anywhere. I will continue to discuss stereo, MONO, CD's, and CD-R as they pertain to rock & roll/soul oldies of the 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's.

Chas, the love of music should bring us together. Don't try to pit people against one another here. This isn't an AOL teen-chat room, and I'm pushing 40!

Till next time...

beetlefan
Name: S. BAIRD
From: Baton Rouge
Time: 2000-02-16 18:36:39
Comments: Y'all need to take a break from the high-pitched arguing that's going on.

I don't know if it made the national news, but it did here in Louisiana since he's a home boy. Oliver, that guy who brought us those great singles, GOOD MORNING STARSHINE and JEAN in 1969, died up in Shreveport yesterday of Lung Cancer. He was 54. The news item covered by a local station (that can be heard on the WEB at wjbo.com) indicated that he had been working as a pharmacist for the past 20 or so years. I haven't listened to GMS for a while, but as I recall, it had sonic attributes that were head and shoulders over many of the other items from 1969 that get discussed here. And Lordy, what a great voice the man had!

Name: Lex Bloom, Ahead To Stereo
From: Boston
Time: 2000-02-16 18:52:44
Comments: Indeed a tragedy it is - the passing of Oliver (born William Oliver Swofford) yesterday in Shreveport. He also had a third single - his cover of "Sunday Morning", made famous much earlier by Spanky & Our Gang. Ironic - heard "Jean" on the radio on my way home from a hard day's work. Anyway, am looking for Oliver's version of "Sunday Morning", and am placing the inquiry into the hands of all of you out there reading. As for Oliver himself - may he rest in peace, and we are all the poorer for his going.
Name: BOB OLIVIA
From: Burbank
Time: 2000-02-16 19:30:47
Comments: Has anyone tried to make a copy of Strickly Stereo/Rolling Stones? I tried about 8 times, could not read past the 8th track. Could this be because it's a bootleg?? Any suggestions??. Bob.
Name: Paul Bigelow
From: Austin, TX
Time: 2000-02-16 20:08:02
Comments: Hello, Here's how it goes for me: If I know its is available in stereo, was available in stereo, or could be available in stereo, and it is in stereo on the CD, I buy it. Otherwise, I wait. If it's mono and mono is the ONLY way possible because it was recorded in mono, then I buy it (but it better be nice, clean FULL TRACK mono). If a mono mix is unique in some way and cannot be duplicated in a stereo mix then give me the stereo and the unique mono mix as a "bonus track". I have a stereo CD player, stereo phono cartridge, stereo integrated tube amplifier, FM multiplex (stereo, to you young whippersnappers) tube tuner, and stereo headphones. I like stereo, I want stereo, I buy stereo.

<<<<<<<---------------S-T-E-R-E-O-------------->>>>>>>

Anythng not clear? :-)
Name: David R. Modny
Time: 2000-02-16 23:04:14
Comments: RE: Burning problems - I've had my burner lock up a few times while ripping (Aspi error) bootlegs. I've noticed that sometimes if I re-boot (it may take a few tries) it will read the disc, at least, a few tracks at a time. As a last resort, in a pinch, if you have a decent soundcard you could always do an "analog transfer" of the troublesome track(s). Not the best idea...but a possible solution.
Name: David R. Modny
Time: 2000-02-16 23:16:36
Comments: That last post should have read...ripping CD-Rs.
Name: beetlefan
Time: 2000-02-17 00:09:36
Comments: David, I sent you an E-mail about this.

for the 60's and early 70's pop/soul music, I use the hit mono mix as the standard, and the stereo had better match up to it. If it doesn't, the unique stereo is just the bonus. After that time period, the stereo is my standard. And, I sometimes like single edits too.
Name: terryoregon
From: Beaverton, Oregon
Time: 2000-02-17 00:32:01
Comments: I just heard Kiss Me Sailor in stereo for the first time, thanks to someone who sent it to me.  Yes, the stereo could have been mixed better.  Diane seems to have turned her head away from the microphone in the beginning and her voice is at times a little drowned out by everything else.    None the less is was a stereo moment and I like it better than the mono version.  You can click on "KMS" below to here a MP3 clip of this.

KMS
Name: John Preston
From: Arlington, Texas
Time: 2000-02-17 01:45:23
Comments: Lex, Oliver's third Top 40 single, "Sunday Mornin'" is one of those elusive tracks, that, as far as I know, has never been reissued, on vinyl, or cd. I have been looking for it on cd for years. Now would be a great time for a retrospective cd on Oliver. In fact, it's a shame that artists have to die, before the people in charge of such things decide to release a "greatest hits" package of their work, but that often happens. Taragon, Varese, Eric? Are you paying attention? One of you needs to look into this.
Name: Uncle Al
From: Long Island, NY
Time: 2000-02-17 06:54:15
Comments: Bob Oliva: I had the same problem hang up problem burning CD'R's when I upgraded to Adaptec Easy CD Creator 4. Their tech help people waslked me through a few things (like turning off DMA on all your drives). E-mail me for more info.
Name: Paul Bigelow
From: Austin, TX
Time: 2000-02-17 07:16:46
Comments: Terry, thanks for the "stereo moment". I wonder if the slight shift in balance is a defect in the master as it seems it's more than just Ms. Renay's voice that shifts?
Name: Bradley Olson
Website: Bradley Olson--A Person With Autism
From: Bemidji, Minnesota
Time: 2000-02-17 08:33:59
Comments: Terry, thanks for the stereo sample of "Kiss Me Sailor." It sounds great. The song peaked at #29 on the Billboard pop singles chart.
Name: beetlefan
Time: 2000-02-17 11:43:02
Comments: There's also been news of Screaming Jay Hawkins' passing. The article I read also mentioned that they edited out some moaning on "I Put A Spell On You" in order to get it on the radio. I wonder if the full tape exists anywhere. Hmmmm...
Name: Curt Lundgren
Website: Reel Top 40 Radio
From: Twin Cities, MN
Time: 2000-02-17 14:05:04
Comments: Stop the presses! BMG's reactivated Buddah is out with a terrific Lovin' Spoonful hits disc....and guess who did the mastering? Bob Irwin at Sundazed! I'm hearing stuff I didn't know existed in previous mixes. Especially check out the softer stuff, like "Rain On The Roof" and "Darlin' Be Home Soon". 26 tracks, missing only "Me About You" (only Joe Butler left in the group) and "(Til) I Run With You". 86 whatever "Best Of" you've got by them....this is ACES!
Name: Ron Fisch
From: St. Louis, MO
Time: 2000-02-17 16:24:56
Comments: To Curt - Is this Buddah Spoonful CD remixed from the original session tapes? I heard that they were presumed lost forever. When will this CD be released? Also, has anyone heard the 4 new Sundazed Paul Revere and the Raiders reissues? I bought the remastered "Greatest Hits" CD and rates overall a high "B" quality sound, if not a low "A", noticeably on tracks "Louie Go Home" (is this track first-time stereo or was it stereo before?), "Melody For An Unknown Girl", and most of the other early tracks. "Louie Louie" and "Ups and Downs" are still in MONO! "Great Airplane Strike.." is the LP mix (sound-effects at the beginning and fade-out with no tape slow-down at the end). Does anyone know when the stereo mix of "Jailhouse Rock" will come out? I assume we'll have to buy another greatest hits collection just to get THAT ONE STEREO TRACK!! Thanks, everyone
Name: S. Baird
From: Baton Rouge
Time: 2000-02-17 16:47:06
Comments: After I posted the news about Oliver the other day, I opened my database to find that I have only one CD with Good Morning Starshine on it: Flower Power (Capitol 57271) that I bought back in 1991. By comparison to my vinyl LP of Oliver containing GMS, the sound quality on the CD is the pits!

I confess that I had not thought about replacing this one until very recently, and agree with other posters that it is high time someone in the industry took note of the dearth of Oliver recordings -- particularly Sunday Mornin'. Meanwhile, can someone provide a source for a better sounding alternative of GMS?

Name: Dave Sampson
Time: 2000-02-17 17:12:39
Comments: To S. Baird: I have "Good Morning Starshine" on a few cds. Likely the Best of these is Time-Life's "Superhits 1969(SUD-07)NOTE: i also seem to recall this series was issued under the name "radio gold" as well. "baby boomer classics-Mellow 60s(JCI(JCD-3104) and on an old Readers DIgest 4cd set called "Easy Listening Hits of the 60s" (this set also has "Jean" on it). Also of note that "Jean" is also on the Time-Life "superhits" series "late 60s classics"(SUD-18). I'm also aware of a couple of Rhino cds that apparently have Oliver's 2 big hits: Good morning Starshine is on "better days"(R2-71093) and "Jean" is on "Billboard Top Pop Hits - 1969"(R2-71939). All the verisons I've listed are reportedly stereo. > On an unrelated note-can anyone tell my what happened to the Shirelles and Isley brothers titles that were available on Sundazed? Sundazed has not been known to delete titles very often, so why do these titles(which weren't available for long ot begin with) seem to be no longer available? I'd love to have them. Thanks.
Name: Curt Lundgren
Time: 2000-02-17 17:14:26
Comments: Ron, I got my copy from an old friend at BMG, but I assume it's hitting the stores as we speak. From the liner notes: "Here is the official collection of songs that got them there, (R&R Hall of Fame) digitally remastered for the first time from the long lost first generation master tapes." Believe me, they sound like it. "She Is Still A Mystery" is a revelation!
Name: Michael Fiedler
From: Minneapolis, MN
Time: 2000-02-17 20:15:37
Comments: One more comment about Oliver. Listeners of Chicago rock radio in the late 60's will remember one other song attributed to Oliver. The single "Young Birds Fly" by the Chicago group the Cryan' Shames, which charted at #99 in 1968, but charted much higher in Chicago, was written by a then unknown W. Swofford (Oliver).
Name: Paul Bigelow
From: Austin, TX
Time: 2000-02-17 21:41:17
Comments: Hello,

The Shirelles and Isley brothers have been out of print for some time. They just disappeared. It is interesting to note that both were originally on Scepter / Wand. That might have something to do with it but then what about the Kingsmen?

Also, I thought the Rhino Lovin' Spoonful set sounded pretty good. It was released at the same time a the Mitch Ryder (which has the stereo SINGLE version of Devil with a Blue Dress...)

Best regards,

Paul

Name: Paul Bigelow
From: Austin, TX
Time: 2000-02-17 21:45:55
Comments: Has the Shakers "Break It All" ever been released on CD? Originally on Audio Fidelity, this attempt at a Uruguayan (sp?) Beatles is remarkably good and captures the sound of "Beatles for Sale" and "Help" period. The album was reissued in Australia on Raven on LP some years ago (in STEREO).
Name: Marty Wekser
From: Los Angeles
Time: 2000-02-17 23:34:34
Comments: To Paul Bigelow... A new Shirelles package (with 26 songs) is now available on Varese Vintage. An Isley Bros. 25 track CD (including their two RCA hits - "Shout" and "Respectable") - will be released on Varese in four weeks.
Name: Marty Wekser
From: Los Angeles
Time: 2000-02-18 00:06:49
Comments: To those of you who were mucho disappointed by the mono-sounding version of "Around The World" by Victor Young on the recent Eric package, I have good news! The wide stereo version of this great instrumental will be appearing on a new two CD set I have compiled and produced. The track listing will appear here exclusively in advance of the CD's release. There are 36 songs - 14 are stereo - and several will be appearing for the first time on CD. One, in fact, a top 25 instrumental from the 50's, will be appearing in pristine stereo for the first time on CD.
Name: Marty Natchez
From: The Great Lakes
Time: 2000-02-18 11:28:40
Comments: I can't believe my good fortune, to have located another TRUE STEREO recording of "Venus in Blue Jeans" that is not sung by Jimmy Clanton. And, no, it is NOT the Bobby Jay version that previously surfaced on the import CD "(Not Just) A Pretty Face and a Pompadour" (Westside WESM 555).

It is found on an obscure CD that the late Johnny Vincent domestically released on his Ace label in 1996. Titled "A Letter To An Angel" by Jimmy Angel (Ace 2073), "Venus in Blue Jeans" is sung over the same WIDE-STEREO backing track of Clanton's original hit.

The 15-song set also recycles the music beds from Huey "Piano" Smith's "Rocking Pneumonia & Boogie Woogie Flu," Frankie Ford's "Sea Cruise" (with an extended 2:57 fadeout) and Jimmy Clanton's waxings of "A Letter To An Angel" (1958), "Another Sleepless Night" (1960) and "Because I Do" (1962). The drawback, however, is that very narrow mixing almost gives those tracks an "electronically rechanneled" feel. Yet all are CLEAN productions; not the scratchy junk Vincent released on his other U.S. CD comps.

And who was Jimmy Angel? What does he sound like? According to the booklet's information, Angel was a transplanted American who made a name for himself as an oldies singer in Japan. But hearing him will most surely remind you of P.J. Proby, Ray Peterson and Ronnie Dove. Mainly Proby, who often pitched his voice on a higher register when he sang rock 'n' roll. In fact, Angel easily passes as a Proby clone, and that's no small compliment.

I will even go so far as to recommend the perfect groove that Angel gives Elvis' "You're So Square (Baby, I Don't Care)" on this CD, which is still available from CDNOW at http://www.cdnow.com. Get it for "Venus." then you can pick your favorites from the rest.

Thanks to Paul and Terry for also noting the "shifts" on the stereo mix of "Kiss Me Sailor" by Diane Renay. Maybe it wasn't one of the "worst" stereo mixes, but it could have been better.

Name: Curt Lundgren
Website: Reel Top 40 Radio
From: Twin Cities, MN
Time: 2000-02-18 13:43:58
Comments: In addition to the new Buddah Lovin' Spoonful disc (see below), I have to mention the label's 30th anniversary reissue of one of the very best albums of the 70s: "Nilsson Sings Newman". Along with the originals, this includes alternate versions of "Love Story", "Cowboy", "I'll Be Home" and "Living Without You". PLUS, the long lost "Snow". A very nice package!
Name: Barry Cashion
From: Mooresville, NC
Time: 2000-02-18 17:31:39
Comments: Hi All... Speaking of Buddah, I've been hoping that they would see fit to do a CD comp of Los Bravos, since I believe their material is owned by BMG... Of course, so far they haven't. But I just found two listings for Los Bravos CDs on the Amazon site; they're titled "Black Is Black" and "Bring A Little Lovin'", and they appear to be reissues of the old LPs of those titles. They haven't actually come out yet; their release date was listed as February 22, I believe. The label they're on is called "SIN-DROME"; I've never heard of it. Does anyone know anything about this company? I'm really hoping that these discs will be "legit" (sanctioned by BMG, done from the masters, etc.)... I guess that, since they're listed in the Amazon site, they must be official releases, since I don't think that Amazon generally bothers with bootlegs... :-)
Name: M.R.
Time: 2000-02-18 18:29:28
Comments: As some of you may already know, RCA has reissued the Nippers 60's, Volume 1 & 2, totally remastered and they sound great...but the Sam Cooke tracks are gone {to Abkco}...
Name: Joel Goldenberg
From: Montreal
Time: 2000-02-18 20:51:11
Comments: Hi, guys! Just got Beach Boys Best of the Brother Years. All stereo, remastered in 24-bit but mixed reaction to sound. Some sound OK (Sunflower tracks a bit cleaner) and some sound congested. Some single versions. They claim Susie Cincinnati is the original single mix, but that was mono and the car revving sound was at the beginning of the song. Here, it's in its standard place in stereo. They finally got the single version of Rock n' Roll Music on. My 45 still sounds better. Single version of It's OK is fun, very bouncy and according to liner notes, 2 percent faster. Annoying errors in notes. Credits have Carl singing Honkin' Down the Highway, but notes correctly say Al Jardine. Confusion over production of Susie Cincinnati. 15 Big Ones implies its Brian, but credits say Al. Who knows? Maybe it's my imagination, but the perfectly digitally recorded Getcha Back doesn't sound too good on this set. Other opinions? Maybe my ears are blocked. Too bad it's not remixed like Yellow Submarine, or is it?
Name: Lex Bloom, Ahead To Stereo
From: Boston
Time: 2000-02-18 23:10:55
Comments: To Barry Cashion: Los Bravos, featuring the powerful vocal talents of Mike Kennedy (born Mike Kogel), recorded originally on Press Records, which was a minor offshoot of London Records, later a part of PolyGram. Therefore, I think it's Universal Music Group, not BMG, that's in charge.
Name: David R. Modny
Time: 2000-02-19 02:39:20
Comments: RE: Beach Boys - No remixing was done for the "Brother Years" set, of any sort. There are some nice additional touches to the set for the collector. "Til I Die" goes on for about 10 seconds longer than any previous release. "Honkin Down the Highway" has the opening bars restored that were chopped off of the original Caribou, "Love You" CD issue. "Sunny California" is the single mix also, with additional vocal overdubs; previously only available on CD on the original European edition of "Ten Years of Harmony". As far as "Susie Cincinnati goes; they elected, in the end, to go with the original 1970 stereo mix (practically identical to the "15 BO's" mix) instead of the mono single mix. As far as who "technically" produced it...it was recorded at Brian's home studio in Jan. 1970 and "arranged" by him - though I would *probably* (??) put my money on Al actually "producing" the session.
Name: David R. Modny
Time: 2000-02-19 02:45:46
Comments: I forgot to mention...Also, the "correct" versions of "Come Go With Me" (the original "MIU" CD issue had an earlier 1976 take of the song), and "Peggy Sue" (with correct vocals) are included on the BB's set.
Name: Mike Callahan
Website: Both Sides Now Publications
From: Fairfax Station, VA
Time: 2000-02-19 05:41:18
Comments: The talk about Oliver and "Young Birds Fly" reminded me about a story that Oliver told about himself and "Young Birds Fly." I happened to see him in concert at a small room here in the DC area in the early 1970s. He said he was just starting out as a songwriter in his early twenties, and "Young Birds Fly" was the first song he ever got recorded by anyone. He proudly watched it rocket up to #99 on the Billboard charts. A couple of months later, he received a royalty check in the mail from BMI. He opened it up and found it was for 298 thousand dollars! After a few cartwheels, he thought, "Hey, this songwriting business is really going to be great." Since it was Friday, he packed a few things and headed for the beach for a few days, planning which new car he was going to get, etc. When he got back home on Sunday night, there was a special delivery telegram from BMI. Seems they had misplaced the decimal point on his check... here was a corrected one for $298.00!
Name: Steve Massie
Time: 2000-02-19 08:54:34
Comments: "Black Is Black" is now owned by Ariola/BMG worldwide and BMG in the U.S.
Name: CLARK BESCH
From: LINCOLN, NE
Time: 2000-02-19 14:20:39
Comments: Great story, Mike, on the Young Birds Fly/Oliver situation. Lucky that he hadn't spent any money yet. If anyone is interested, another version of "Young Birds Fly" exists on the "B" side of the 1969 Flowerpot Men's great single "In a Moment of Madness". I believe it may also be on the White Plains 1970 LP in stereo as well as the import CD of The Flowerpot Men's. (However, the White Plains, I believe, used a vinyl source to put on the LP. I can't quite remember and don't have the LP with me right now.) This cd is just great! Includes lotsa stereo, especially their classic "Let's Go to San Francisco" Pt 1 & 2!!!! From Ivy League to Flowerpots to White Plains to First Class to Starbreaker ("Sound of Summer" on Chrysalis is a super summer pop hit Shouldabeen), these records are Great. Speaking of such, has anyone ever heard a cold close to "Running Round In Circles" by the ivy League? I taped it off WCFL in ‘66, but have both store & dj 45s and always a fade at the end. Any ideas? On another comment, the Raiders songs seem better on the Sundazed CDs than on the double Best Of CD. More bass and longer versions and remixed stereo often appear on these rereleased LP versions. I should get my copies of the new CDs this week, if someone else doesn't cover their stereo contents, hopefully I can next week. I work with Sundazed and almost 10 years ago, Bob Irwin and I talked about the missing stereo tapes for "Him or Me" and "Ups & Downs". Since then, as you know, "Him or Me" has turned up and Bob has put it out, so no doubt that Bob is still keeping a keen eye out For "Ups & Downs" (which is a truly great track that oldies stations have missed) and will release it if he ever finds the stereo tape. In the meantime, I hope you will join me in bombarding him with emails to rerelease the 3 Cryan' Shames LPs on CD ala his Raiders work. Mike, Keep up the great stereo Research!!-- Clark.
Name: Dave-o Thompson
Website: Kool 99.3/Harrisburg
Referred by: From a Friend
From: Hershey PA
Time: 2000-02-19 17:06:09
Comments: Need a little help with Rare Earth...does anybody know when the promo copies and first commercially-released LP's came out containing the full mix of "Hey Big Brother"? I'm not speaking of the "live" version, but the 5:00+ mix which was chopped into the single? And are the remasters on the comp CD's essentially the same? Thanx in advance!
Name: Henri Bronsgeest
Time: 2000-02-19 19:32:44
Comments: I'd like some help with the group WE FIVE. They had the hit YOU WERE ON MY MIND. That song is mono, or rechanneled. It sounds like the same thing that happened to Simon and Garfunkel. That is, YWOMM was recorded as a folk song and then someone added instrumentation and it became a big hit. Their albums were all acoustic and beautiful harmonies. Much different than the hit. You'll remember S&G had a folk album that the record company added instrumentation to and their first hit was born THE SOUNDS OF SILENCE. My questions are: Is my assumption correct? and what ever happened to the lead singer Beverly Bivens? She had such a beautiful haunting voice. She left the group to go solo??? The group continued for several albums with other leads. The first two albums with Beverely are available on CD as a two-fer. The first album is available as a single from Japan. Does anyone have any more info? Thanx Henri
Name: Lex Bloom, Ahead To Stereo
From: Boston
Time: 2000-02-19 21:57:50
Comments: To Steve Massie: Thanx; I stand informed and corrected. Now, my next question - who and where in the dad-blamed blazes is Wendy Milliken?
Name: John Adkins
From: Phoenix
Time: 2000-02-19 22:25:22
Comments: We Five's "You Were On My Mind" is in stereo (somewhat narrow--best to listen with headphones) on the CD Dick Bartley Presents One Hit Wonders Of The '60s, Vol. 1 on Rhino. This was released in 1990, before the start of the "Rhino Means Mono" era. (Good thing I'm not on AOL, as in AOL/Time/Warner/Elektra/Atlantic/Rhino/et al, or they might revoke my dial-up account for that crack!) And speaking of oldies maven Bartley, on his show tonight (which is not live this week--you can tell when he doesn't plug the boss line and says "we're playing catch-up on requests"--sorry, Dick, for revealing that trade secret) at 9:42pm ET he played "Whiter Shade Of Pale" by Procul Harum in stereo. Pardon if this has been discussed before, but is this a recently unearthed stereo mix? Is it or will it be available commercially, or is it another stereo nugget that Dick and a few others have been able to obtain? BTW--for those of you on the Left Coast reading this tonight who get the show from 7:00pm-12:00am PT, you'll be able to hear it at 11:42pm during the re-feed of the third hour.
Name: GARY BADER
From: VICTORIA, B.C. CANADA
Time: 2000-02-19 23:26:10
Comments: Re: "HEY BIG BROTHER" by Rare Earth. I remember hearing a shorter single version in stereo when it was originally released, on an FM station. I was disappointed when the only LP version was the Live version issued in 1972. The long studio version first was issued on an LP in 1981, on the Motown Superstar Series - Volume 16-Rare Earth. I don't know about any earlier promo singles.
Name: Chuck Iverson
From: S. F. bayarea
Time: 2000-02-20 11:27:25
Comments: "You were on my mind" is in stereo on Bartly's disc, but missing an overdub, which I don't miss. Interestingly one of the "we Five" taught both of my kids in high school I believe it was math, not music app. I talked to him about recording the album and he said it was originally done with [multi's] at A&M, but that YWOMN never was released that way due to overdubbing cheers
Name: Matt Kind
From: Minneapolis, MN
Time: 2000-02-20 13:11:00
Comments: Oh Boy! This site is outstanding! I've been a huge rare stereo mix junkie for years, but I never imagined there'd be a site for others like me. Thanks for putting this together. OK Down to business. RE: narrow CCR stereo mixes. I didn't believe that Proud Mary was in stereo on my "Bayou Country" CD. I have the Dolby Surround feature on my amp and, it does separate the guitars and vocals. The local "oldies" station KQQL has a very nice W I D E stereo mix of Proud Mary. Unfortunately, with Dolby Surround, the sound is very muddy. So there must be a good way to WIDEN the sonic picture without losing the sound quality. I was intrigued about the CCR stuff so I checked a few other songs by them. I know Bad Moon Risin' can be separated, but also I discovered that Lodi, and Penthouse Pauper have similar mixes as Proud Mary. Very cool to here the slide guitar separated out on Lodi. I heard things I've never heard before. RE: The Who "Odds And Sods" Reissue. They goofed on I'm The Face. The old LP has a complete end to the song, not a fade out. They did the same boo-boo on 30 Years of Max R & B. Dummies! Under My Thumb is missing the lead guitar! What the heck! On the old "Two's Missing" CD it's there. Here's another remix project for Luke. Take the two and make a new stereo mix with lead guitar in one channel discrete. That'd be cool. Mary Anne With The Shaky Hands is markedly different. Al Kooper's B3 is very loud and clear unlike the "Who's Missing" mix, and the shaky vocal effect is also quite subdued compared to the afformentioned mix. That makes another mix project for Luke. Thanks Luke for the Time Is Passing mix. It's quite good. That's all I have. Matt
Name: Burt Hauser
From: Chicago, Ill
Time: 2000-02-20 14:53:50
Comments: To all you true stereo fans out there, John Preston, Marty Natchez, beetlefan, Lex Bloom, etc.: I heard, on a Dick Bartley show some time ago, a true stereo recording of the Crystals' "Da Doo Ron Ron". Is Phil Spector softening up?
Name: Roger Round
From: Vancouver, BC
Time: 2000-02-20 15:59:51
Comments: I have Disc Jockey Hits Vol.1 on the Stardust label and it has "Peppermint Twist" by Joey Dee & The Starliters Pt.1 and Pt.2 (In Stereo) on two separate trax. Does any one know if this was ever released as one complete track? Thanx in advance.
Name: Groovin Garrett
Time: 2000-02-20 16:11:52
Comments: Re: Procol Harum "Whiter Shade of Pale" in stereo.....did it sound like an alternate take?? The song appears in stereo on WestSide Records' "Pandora's Box", but its take 2, as opposed to the master take 3. No one "seems to know" where the multi-track for take 3 is....
Name: Marty Natchez
From: The Great Lakes
Time: 2000-02-20 17:36:25
Comments: Here's your answer, Groovin' Garrett: Roulette released Joey Dee's "Peppermint Twist" in two parts, because a B-side was needed. The song was never intended to be longer than the original hit version, so each side is a distinct studio recording. By the way, Joey once told me that Henry Glover, who was Dee's producer and co-writer of "Peppermint Twist," asked Billy Butler from Bill Doggett's band to play lead guitar on the session. So the next time you decide to give Dee's song a spin, keep in mind that the guitar work you hear was done by the same musician who immortalized "Honky Tonk."
Name: Uncle Al
From: Long Isalnd, NY
Time: 2000-02-20 21:12:34
Comments: I am posting to profess my ignorance: who is Dick Bartley? Why do I want to hear him and where can I if I were so inclined? All these posts concerning him interest me (and I have seen the CD's issued under his name) however I generally avoid oldies radio (especially my local WCBS FM) like the plague.
Name: John Preston
From: Arlington, Texas
Time: 2000-02-20 21:36:30
Comments: No, Burt, Phil Spector hasn't loosened up on the stereo front. I've heard the stereo "Da Doo Ron Ron", as well as a couple of others. They are real, but not authorized releases. Maybe someday; probably, long after we are dead and gone, they will release the Spector recordings in stereo. No, wait. Why would they? After all, we won't be around to care. I can't imagine future generations giving a twit about such things.

By the way, I was listening to a tape I made years ago, which contained "Bowling Green" by The Everly Brothers. I noticed that it is different from the stereo, cd version that is available, (Rhino box set). The version I have on tape has live sound at the end of it. Anyone know which is supposed to be the single version? I never owned the single.
Name: John Adkins
From: Phoenix
Time: 2000-02-20 21:56:29
Comments: For Uncle Al: first check out www.dickbartley.com. And if you can pick up WKHL 96.7 FM in Norwalk, CT (3kw ERP, XMTR in Stamford--per the NYC Radio Guide) they carry Bartley's Saturday night live show (7-12), also his CD-distrib weekly show on Sunday mornings. For several other BSN readers: thanks for the info on "Whiter Shade Of Pale"--I do now recall seeing that in a previous BSN. But it sure sounds the same to me-- other than being in stereo--than the mono mix that has been around since '67.
Name: Dave
From: Tucson
Time: 2000-02-20 22:02:36
Comments: John, The Bowling Green single did not have audience noise on it. I just listened to the single to be sure. Some of the Spector stuff was released by Japan Victor VDP-1043 which has a stereo Be My Baby which is out of this world. Spector was actually quite good at producing in stereo. Why he never liked his results we may never know. Dave
Name: beetlefan
Time: 2000-02-20 22:03:02
Comments: I understood that any so-called "stereo" versions of "A Whiter Shade Of Pale" were either, re-recordings, sync-ups or rechannelled. Besides, from what i've heard of any so called "stereo" mixes, i'll settle for the MONO version. At least it's legitamite and sounds like my original 1967 Deram 45.
Name: John Adkins
From: Phoenix
Time: 2000-02-20 22:03:38
Comments: Oh how I hate messing up a legal ID! (And I'm not even on the radio.) I took the NYC Radio Guide website info at face value, but just after I posted the previous message I heard WKHL's 10pm ET legal...as "WKHL Stamford/Norwalk." So it's actually licensed to Stamford. Well at least they did it right about at the top of the hour, instead of burying it in a stop set at :50. (That's live audio on the web for those of you wondering how I heard a CT FM in PHX.)
Name: Richard Otis
From: Bellingham, Wa.
Time: 2000-02-20 22:04:56
Comments: In regards to John Preston's question about which version of the Everly Bros.' Bowling Green is the single version: I may be muddying the waters still further by stating that the version with the prominent lead guitar and without the brass (piccolo, etc.)is on my 45 of "Back to Back Hits" series GWB 0311 with "That's Old-Fashioned" on the b-side. It does seem to be a live recording with applause at the very beginning & end and is in stereo (perhaps from the 2-lp set from the Everly Bros. tv show). I much prefer the live (much livier!) version to the studio one. I notice that my "live" 45 version runs 2:32 as compared to 2:46 for the box set studio version.
Name: barry margolis
From: Minneapolis, MN
Time: 2000-02-20 22:09:09
Comments: Hey, Matt Kind! Another Minneapolis stereo freak! RE: "Whiter Shade Of Pale", it's an alternate take. So far, the real issued version has yet to show up stereo. Re: The Who, though the sound is just great, there's lots of little annoying errors scattered all around the Who remastered reissues. Especially annoying is the very close, almost mono stereo mixing on some of the best Who songs that have not appeared in stereo before. ALSO, "Call Me Lighting", one of my personal favorites fade almost 15 seconds short. It seems obvious that the guys who handled the Who remastering don't have a clear historic understand of the band's actual music. I've chosen to keep the original pre-remastered versions of ODDS AND SODS, HAPPY JACK, and QUADROPHENIA. In the case of "The Who Sell Out", though, the original mixes were SO terrible that I really don't ever want to hear 'em again. But on the "HAPPY JACK" album, I love the old tinny stereo mixing. Go figure.
Name: John Preston
From: Arlington, Texas
Time: 2000-02-21 15:18:38
Comments: Curt, do you have any more info on that Lovin' Spoonful disc? I can't find it locally, and haven't seen it advertized (Collector's Choice, Discollector, etc). I need the title, matrix number, etc. Also, the new Paul Revere cds seem to be held up. I can't find anyone who has seen them, anywhere. This seems to happen a lot, with Sundazed. But most of there product is worth the wait.
Name: Randy Price
Website:
Referred by: NewsGroups
From: New York
Time: 2000-02-21 15:37:52
Comments: I have all the new Sundazed Paul Revere & The Raiders CDs, but so far I've listened only to Midnight Ride. Overall, this one is a big improvement over the earlier Columbia CD of the same title (plus, it includes bonus tracks). The sound is a lot fuller and punchier. The mix on "Kicks" is slightly different: on the Columbia disc, the bass was separated from the instrumental bed and placed in the center, under the vocals; on the Sundazed CD, it's mixed together with the drums in the left channel. Normally, having the bass in the center is a good thing, but in this case the new mix (still wide stereo), with its greater dynamics, is more cohesive. I'll report on the other titles when I've had a chance to listen to them.
Name: Marty Wekser
From: Los Angeles
Time: 2000-02-21 15:47:05
Comments: Let's not lose sight of the fact that the concept of doing great stereo mixes was learned by some engineers and producers early on, while some never quite "got it". Maybe they just thought no one would ever really be interested in hearing hit singles in stereo so they never perfected the way to mix them. Nonetheless...even though the Phil Spector transfers on CD may not sound particularly great as compared to the original vinyl, the mono mixes were really solid... especially for AM radio. Based on a recent post, I just pulled out my copy of BEST OF THE SPECTOR SOUND (Nippon Victor 1045) which has four stereo tracks (the remaining 12 are mono.) The stereos are: BE MY BABY, BABY I LOVE YOU, DO I LOVE YOU and WALKING IN THE RAIN. In my opinion, these are all dreadful mixes that can't hold a candle to the original mono mixes. Here is a good example of where the only reason to have these songs in stereo is so you can say "yep - I have 'em in stereo." I hope this post doesn't provoke a barrage of nasty responses. I am really a stereo lover too, but not "stereo for stereo's sake." If they sound great in stereo, fine! Otherwise, "back to mono" (was that Shakespeare?)
Name: Tony Waitekus
Website: All Hit 98-9 WHTS/Quad Cities
From: Davenport, IA
Time: 2000-02-21 18:01:40
Comments: Does anyone know why the song "Pretend" was not on the Carl Mann Very Best of CD. "Pretend" was, after all, the second of Carl's two charting hits. Ideas?
Name: Curt Lundgren
Website: Reel Top 40 Radio
From: Twin Cities, MN
Time: 2000-02-21 18:02:37
Comments: John, it's Buddah 74465-99716-2...upc # 744659971624. You can visit the site, too: http://www.buddahrecords.com Should be out there, somewhere.....
Name: Luke Pacholski
Website: LukPac.org
From: Madison, WI
Time: 2000-02-21 18:10:09
Comments: Ok, being the resident Who fanatic I better comment... "I'm The Face" - that's not so much a mistake but a different version. The original Odds & Sods LP had a very dry stereo mix, and had a full ending. When the Quadrophenia soundtrack was issued in 1979, it had a different mix - more reverb, a different stereo spread, and a fade out at the end. That mix (or a remix recreating it) has been used on the box set and the remastered Odds & Sods. "Under My Thumb" - yep, that's a major screw up. Can't see how they missed that one. For now I'll just stick with the mono mix. It should be noted that the (very narrow) stereo remix of The Last Time on the box set is missing some backing vocals near the fade-out. "Mary Anne" - personally I really like the remix, and don't find it that much different than the original. And you're right, there are no "shakey" sounds on the vocals like the original single (and the mono mix of the LP version). They recreated those for the stereo remix of the LP version, but I guess not for the single version. "Call Me Lightning" - I guess I've never really compared versions of that song. FWIW, both that and "The Last Time" on the box set are in stereo, just *very* narrow. Quadrophenia - hmm...probably my favorite remix, actually. IMO it adds so much that was missing from the original mix. A Quick One/Happy Jack - the reissue (it was *not* remixed) pretty much sucks, but the old MCA CD is nothing to hang on to either. The reissue has only one song ("Run, Run, Run") in stereo, one in *fake* stereo ("Whiskey Man"), and the balance in mono. Jon Astley didn't even know the album was ever released in stereo, and just used whatever tapes he happened to find. The old MCA CD (which matches the original Happy Jack LP, only with poorer sound) has about half the tracks in true stereo, with the balance in fake stereo. The *best* source for the album is a copy of the German LP, which has almost the entire album in true stereo ("See My Way" has never been issued in true stereo, and "So Sad About Us" can be found in true stereo on the US Happy Jack LP). That LP can most easily be found in the Phases box set. FWIW, if given new tapes, MCA *will* re-release the album. Right now Jon Astley is holding things up...
Name: Charles G. Hill
Website: The Web Site Formerly Known As Chez Chaz
From: Dustbury, Oklahoma
Time: 2000-02-21 22:18:47
Comments: Someone popped an interesting question on Usenet this week: "Where do oldies stations, almost all of which run off CDs nowadays, get their Cameo/Parkway songs?"

Oh, and Lex - be grateful. There are few phrases in the language quite as wonderful as "Wendy loves you."

Name: Pat Downey
From: Boulder, CO
Time: 2000-02-22 00:50:01
Comments: In issue #53 of "Both Sides Now" Mike reviewed an interesting cd titled "I Believe: Songs Of Faith And Inspiration" released on the Good Music Record Company label. I have tried and tried to order this cd but no one has ever heard of it so does anyone out there know where I can buy a copy?
Name: Richard
From: Bellingham, Wash
Time: 2000-02-22 03:28:28
Comments: Just wondering - does anyone know if Frankie Avalon's orig. 45 version of "Two Fools" which was the b-side and smaller hit of the a-side "Just Ask Your Heart" ever been released on cd or even on a vinyl album? Chancellor / ABC / MCA has always seemed to release an entirely diff. recording of said song.
Name: Marty Wekser
From: Los Angeles
Time: 2000-02-22 04:08:03
Comments: To Pat Downey and others wishing to buy product from Good Music Co. ... Their website is www.yestermusic.com . They have some interesting product from all eras, though I can't vouch for the stereo content on their other titles. I produced the 2 CD set "I BELIEVE" and I used as many titles in stereo as were available in stereo. The CD is reviewed in Mike's current "Both Sides Now" magazine with a very complimentary review. (I guess this means "Mikey likes it!") I am putting the finishing touches on a new package for them called "20 YEARS OF GOLDEN HITS FROM AROUND THE WORLD". It will include the wide stereo version of "Around The World" plus 35 other international hits which were big in the U.S. from 1950 through 1970. I will list the contents here as it gets closer to release in about six weeks. Many stereo tracks, and quite a few choice tracks appearing for the first time on CD anywhere! Stay tuned.
Name: Boppin' Brian
From: Soggy CA.
Time: 2000-02-22 04:57:49
Comments: HI, kids... Was wondering if any of the astute listeners here have come across any of the "mystery" label - - '50s -'60s, mostly - - CD reissues that look so intriguing (many with "budget" price &/or lots of tracks), but have this shopper wary of being burned while playing ....

REISSUE ROULETTE

...........labels like :
Arc
Carlton
Crimson
Essential
Hallmark (UK)
Janus (Bobby Day, etc.)
Memories
Newsound
Pick
QED
Summit
Telesonic ("The Magic Collection")
Time (probably not U.S./legit...?)
Wise

(E-Mail me any info. !) It seems that the newsletter & some of the database sites don't have any trace of these. Too bad because every once in a while grade "A" reissues slip out on some of the "indie" labels, and without the info., folks just won't "take a chance" (We all know that old saying about how the sweet taste of a low price is soon overshadowed by the lingering bitterness of a shoddy product.....). Keep those "tips" comin' in!

Name: beetlefan
Time: 2000-02-27 15:13:32
Comments: Randy, don't hold your breath waiting for remixed stereo for the British Invasions, Vol. 1-4. First, the problems with finding some of the multitracks will be big, if they are around and all the parts are on the multis. Second, I doubt that they will go through the trouble for a compilation package that's nearly ten years old and when the other volumes are still in print. Third, we're talking Rhino here. They have (had) the original copyright for the collection.

If this merger goes through, we'll probably see more collections and retrospectives for EMI-Capitol artists that have been largely ignored on CD. Don't forget, Rhino, Warner/AOL's premere reissue label will be a big player in all this reissuing.
Name: Alan T
From: Phoenix
Time: 2000-02-28 00:11:25
Comments: Hey guys, could we lighten up a little! I am tried of this caveman mentality, mainly the ranting and raving about Rhino. Rhino has made some mistakes, but overall they still make nice packages and have re-issued great deal of music. Let’s get back to talking about specific titles and releases so we all can broaden our knowledge of stereo oldies. Remember: compilations sold in retail stores don’t sell well unless they come in the guise of soundtrack or other event.
Name: beetlefan
From: Sierra Vista
Time: 2000-02-28 01:19:43
Comments: Alan T. Don't get me wrong, I wasn't beating up on Rhino. I was simply sayng that they will not remix to stereo and that they will be a big factor in reissuing EMI-Capitol material just as they are in the Atlantic and Warner Brothers stuff. I'm one of the few here who defends Rhino, even though I also have my gripes with them, just as I do with any record company.
Name: Curt Lundgren
From: Twin Cities, MN
Time: 2000-02-28 08:14:32
Comments: Quick question: What discs with Lulu & the Lovers "Shout" in true stereo are extant?
Name: Paul Bigelow
From: Austin, TX
Time: 2000-02-28 11:18:21
Comments: Speaking of Rhino, Rhinohandmade has been quiet as of late. I guess any new year is slow to start with reissues, but it's been a couple of months.
Name: Paul Allen
From: Memphis, TN.
Time: 2000-02-28 12:41:14
Comments: To Curt: I ordered the Deram import (820618-2) last year "Lulu-something to shout about", and it has "Shout" in true Stereo, plus all her other hits and near hits in Stereo....only a couple of early tracks in mono.
Name: beetle
Time: 2000-02-28 13:21:47
Comments: Paul, I just got the Rhino company newsletter. They have been taking a well-deserved R&R.
Name: mike arcidiacono
Time: 2000-02-28 13:27:44
Comments: Re: Rhino I dont know where anybody got the idea that Rhino is going to remix ANYTHING from the multis. They have shown us that they wont even use an EXISTING stereo mix, let alone doing a remix. Rhino is now part of a big corporation, the bottom line is making money, not spending it. They didnt remix ANY of The Monkees LPs, and God knows the first two LPs needed it badly!!! I'm not Rhino bashing really, but they just have not kept up with the state of the art in reissuing masters from the '60s and '70s. Sorry, kids, but thats the truth!! Mikey
Name: Alan T
From: Phoenix
Time: 2000-02-28 14:50:51
Comments: The "Listen to the Band" box set was remixed, often with disastrous results. The Arista CD's of the first four LP's were remixed, but did not stray too much from the original mixes. I was glad to have the Rhino CD's after buying the Japanese re-issue LP's which were dubbed from vinyl.
Name: Mike Arcidiacono
Time: 2000-02-28 15:23:07
Comments: Re:Monkees Alan T- you are only partially correct. Only some of the tracks on the Box Set were remixed, "Daydream Believer" being one of them (it was actually remixed TWICE, a special mix with loud drums for the MTV Video). As for the first four LPs, Meet The Monkees was NOT remixed, as the multis were not found until recently in RCA's Vault. In fact, the Arista Cd had HALF the LP in MONO, because the stereo mixdown tapes were also lost, and they used a safety copy that only had half the songs!! Its just unbelievable!! The Rhino Cd sounded much better than the Arista, by the way, at least the drums had some bottom and bite. More of The Monkees was 85% remixed, and while they meant well, I dont care for the remix at all. The Rhino CD was also better here, altho there were some sonic problems in the original stereo mixdown, some songs were distorted, ect. I think the BIGGEST problem with the Arista Cds is that they were Mastered VERY badly. The analog to digital conversion really sucked, in my opinion, probably because the converters from 1987 were in their infancy. Headquarters may have been remixed, altho it sure doesnt sound like it to me. The first two LPs really need a from the ground up remix, as they just sounded so weak and puny. Meet The Monkees is especially bad, the guitars screetch and have no body to them at all. With todays digital mixing, I believe these two LPs could be brought back to life. What a great project for a whiz like Tom Moulton to tackle...but, alas, Rhino has put The Monkees on VERY low priority right now. My guess it that in 2006 (that would be the Monkees 40th anniversary) that we will see all the LPs re-released AND remixed in 5.1. Actually, I *did* a rumor that Rhino Video was going to release all the episodes of the TV series on DVD, and remix all the TV music in 5.1 I would really like to see that, the same as they did with The Beatles Yellow Submarine, which just sounds so amazing, there are no words to describe it. If they do the DVD project it would only make sense to remix everything while they are at it. The Monkees are a special case because the TV show is such a part of their package. I have a couple of Laserdisks of the show and the quality is just fantastic.
Name: beetlefan
From: Sierra Vista
Time: 2000-02-28 15:55:15
Comments: I'm noticing something, lately, everyone has gotten a case of "remixitis". Digital, or analog remixes are nice to have, and these days, we can get soooo close to the original sound of the single, whatever. But, anytime you remix something, no matter how good it is, it's revisionist history! You're altering the past. What about preserving original mixes, warts and all? They must be presrved and remembered, just like all of those mono mixes and single edits. How many times have we heard a supposedly great new remix of something, only to have it crticized because something isn't quite right. Well, the original isn't perfect, but it's historically "right". Just something to think about.
Name: Paul Bigelow
From: Austin, TX
Time: 2000-02-28 16:15:20
Comments: Here we go again.......

Anyway, tapes are deterioriating as we speak, all tapes: session reels, mono mixdown masters, stereo mixdown masters, whatever, are just fading away. We need to get those tapes copy them, mix them, whatever, and get them to an archival storage medium or it will be too late -- revisionist history or otherwise. What we will have if we don't will be a pile of ferric oxide, gooey tapes, and scratchy records. While the "original, pounding, mono" debate rages, reels are fusing and oxide is flaking

If we have the chance to mix it to stereo, do it now.

Name: Luke Pacholski
Website: LukPac.org
From: Madison, WI
Time: 2000-02-28 18:18:16
Comments: Beetle, re: Would you call the Byrds or Simon & Garfunkel remixes "revisionist"? Yellow Submarine - yes. Those remixes - I don't think so. They match the original mixes and are sonically superior. Obviously there might be some small differences, but then again, there will always be differences - a CD won't sound exactly like an LP, etc... They'll be differences even with different remasterings.
Name: Randy Price
Website:
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From: New York
Time: 2000-02-28 18:19:52
Comments: beetlefan, I'm not holding my breath. In fact, I had my tongue firmly in cheek, as did Marty in the post a couple before mine.
Name: Lex Bloom, Ahead To Stereo
From: Boston
Time: 2000-02-28 19:54:32
Comments: I recently decided to check out the One Way twofer by the Youngbloods, "Get Together"/"Elephant Mountain". It sounded absetively awful. I was indeed surprised because One Way had done such a good job with the Brian Auger reissues. Well, that means, anyway, that I have to look to other sources for better sounding Youngbloods. Any ideas?
Name: Alan Carner
From: Fort Smith
Time: 2000-02-28 23:33:30
Comments: I have a question for Marty Wekser. I just got the McGuire Sisters anthology CD. I thought you did a great job. Almost half the songs in stereo. From your research for the cd, was there any indication that Sugartime was recorded in multitrack, or was it a straight mono session. Being one of my favorite songs, I'd give anything for it to be in stereo.
Name: Alan T
From: Phoenix
Time: 2000-02-29 00:05:45
Comments: Edsel in the UK put out the Youngbloods’ “Elephant Mountain” in 1980's, but I don't own a copy. Anybody know of the stereo content of Gene Clark's A&M LP known as "White Light"? It was available as Japanese CD in the 90’s
Name: Tony Almeida
Time: 2000-02-29 00:47:05
Comments: Re: "Remixitis" and revisionism. A friend of mine likes to point out about original releases; Whatever you think about a reissue - better sound, better cover graphics, better liner notes - it is a fact that the original was the first. It is foolhardy to give something the latest whiz-bang treatment and then step back and say, "Done!". I vote to save the original recordings as they are when doing archival work. OK, who volunteers?
Name: Bradley Olson
Website: Bradley Olson--A Person With Autism
From: Bemidji, Minnesota
Time: 2000-02-29 08:32:39
Comments: I have a question for Marty Wekser as well. What is the reason why you didn't include "Mary Ann Regrets" on the MCA Burl Ives hits compilation that is available in the stores that you were involved with, yet it was a top 40 pop (peaked at #39) and country hit (peaked at #12)?
Name: beetle, the preservationalist
Time: 2000-02-29 10:35:37
Comments: Tony, thanks. That's all i'm saying here. Preserve the originals. You can have whatever your stereo 5.1, whatever, just don't lose the first one. Like Paul B. said, those tapes are going to waste. Let's just get them saved first, even the mono!

Luke, I have no problem with the remixing. It's just that the remixes weren't the first, originally released mixes and thnew ones sometimes somehow creep in and replace what was. I like the "Sony Soundtrack Of A Century" series because it has a lot of original singles edits and mixes. For Example, they finally got Wild Cherry's "Play That Funky Music" correct because the one Bill Inglot started using is all over the place now. We also now have the 45 edit of Aerosmith's "Dream On". It's fine if you don't like the sound or edits of songs, but at least they're out there now. Just don't pretend that that new stereo mix of "Hang On Sloopy" is the way it was in 1965. It was really distorted mono.
Name: Chip Cristarella
From: Gillette, NJ
Time: 2000-02-29 13:08:00
Comments: Mike: About the Monkees: While it's true that the Arista CD of the first LP(which is just called "The Monkees" BTW, not "Meet The Monkees"), utilized a mono master for the majority of side one's tracks, "(Theme From) The Monkees", and "Last Train To Clarksville" were taken from the original stereo mixdown tapes. (According to Bill Inglot, these were chopped off the stereo master reels for the first LP, and used for the assembly of the Bell "Refocus" LP, which he had access to), Three of the side two tracks were remixed. ("This Just Doesn't Seem To Be My Day", "Sweet Young Thing", and "Gonna Buy Me A Dog") The original Arista "Headquarters" CD was a total remix, the clues being the longer fades on many of the songs and the absence of certain distinctive echo/reverb effects. The Arista CD of "More Of The Monkees" is actually closer to 95% remixed, and I feel better than the very, VERY rushed and rough sounding original stereo mix. (Though that bad edit on "Look Out" is a bitch. I've heard the session tapes for that track, and Hal Blaine plays a very, very bad drum fill, but unusually, a retake wasn't called for. Since the drum fill only occured once in the song, it was faked by editing.) Who on earth let the original stereo mix of "Sometime In The Morning" pass QC is beyond me! And the "second" remix of Daydream Believer for MTV (and a 45) technically really isn't. Someone "replaced" "Fast Eddie" Hoh's original drum track with "modern" drums (ie: Syndrums, etc.) to give it an "80's" feel. Needless to say: it sucks. (It was done by Arista, BTW, with no Bill Inglot/Rhino involvement)
Name: Mike Arcidiacono
Time: 2000-02-29 13:25:00
Comments: Re:The Monkees Hep Chip, thanks for the info!! I'm going on aural evidence but since you obviously were involved with the work being done, you are the man!! I still feel that the first two LPs need a complete, digital remix. Now that they have all the multis (right?) I think it should be done once and for all. I think this would make a nice project for a Taragon, it would make a nice two-fer. Too bad Mobile Fidelity isnt around any more, this would have been great for them to do. Thanks again for all the info..btw, the edits on Look Out, Steppin Stone and Hold On Girl are so bad they are laughable!! I guess they had to rush to get the stuff out to capitalize on the TV show. Mikey
Name: John Preston
From: Arlington, Texas
Time: 2000-02-29 14:34:20
Comments: Bradley, I was upset, too, about the omission of "Mary Ann Regrets" from that Burl Ives Greatest Hits cd. I was one of those teenagers who helped put that record in the Top 40. My girlfriend, at the time, was named Mary Ann. I didn't buy that disc, for that reason, alone. I spent the big bucks, buying the box set from Bear, just to get it. But I suspect that Marty had nothing to do with choosing tracks for the disc. Remastering Engineers are seldom in control of such things. But, whoever did make that decision, shame on them. They cost themselves some sales, and denied us a great hit song.
Name: Marty Wekser
From: Los Angeles
Time: 2000-02-29 18:57:14
Comments: To John Preston and Bradley Olsen... On the Burl Ives CD, it was all Bill Inglot's fault! (Just kidding). Here's the story. I was the co-compiler/producer/mastering engineer on this project. The original concept was for this to be a "best of" CD to include some hits, some great performances (though not necessarily chart hits) and some versions of pop standards. MCA, unbeknownst to us, decided to change the title to "Greatest Hits" after we had suggested "Best Of Burl Ives". After whittling down our selection to the final list of tracks which we felt contained a really well-rounded cross-section of songs, we did not want to dump any of the selected songs so we could add "Mary Ann Regrets". And in terms of chart hits, "Blue Tail Fly", "Lavender Blue", On Top Of "Ol' Smoky",(which we licensed from Sony), "True Loves Goes On And On", "A Little Bitty Tear", "Funny Way Of Laughin'" and "Call Me Mr. In-Between" were all bigger chart hits. But this was my call, and I will have to live with it to my dying day. Sure. Lay the Jewish guilt trip on me. You don't wake up with nightmares over this track listing! But there's light at the end of the tunnel. I am going to be co-producing a"BURL IVES COUNTRY HITS" package with Joseph Laredo for Universal which is tentatively scheduled for the end of 2000 or the beginning of 2001. This CD will definitely contain "Mary Ann Regrets". AND IT WILL BE IN STEREO!
Name: Luke Pacholski
Website: LukPac.org
From: Madison, WI
Time: 2000-02-29 19:38:57
Comments: I was over at a friend's the other day who happened to have "The Bobby Darin Story". I must say that was the first time I've ever heard Splish Splash other than on the radio. That stereo mix sounds great! Dito for Mack The Knife. It's a crime to release those songs in mono! Speaking of which...does anyone have the stereo content for the "Atlantic Records 50 Years: The Gold Anniversary" set - the early tracks anyway? I'm guessing mostly mono (a damn shame)? BTW, the Simpsons tonight had Homer Simpson doing the Tighten Up - a classic!
Name: Luke Pacholski
Website: LukPac.org
From: Madison, WI
Time: 2000-02-29 19:38:58
Comments: I was over at a friend's the other day who happened to have "The Bobby Darin Story". I must say that was the first time I've ever heard Splish Splash other than on the radio. That stereo mix sounds great! Dito for Mack The Knife. It's a crime to release those songs in mono! Speaking of which...does anyone have the stereo content for the "Atlantic Records 50 Years: The Gold Anniversary" set - the early tracks anyway? I'm guessing mostly mono (a damn shame)? BTW, the Simpsons tonight had Homer Simpson doing the Tighten Up - a classic!
Name: Paul Allen
From: Memphis, TN.
Time: 2000-02-29 20:30:09
Comments: Got some good news and some bad news. The good news is the Temptations best of the 70's, 80's and 90's 20th Century Masters CD is all Stereo, including "Papa was a rolling stone"! The bad news is "Bobby Bland 20th Century Masters" still has the mono mixes of "That's the way love is" and "Ain't nothing you can do" (yea, don't I know it!) For the "Universal Music" producers.......The Stereo mix of the "Best of Bobby Bland" is Duke DLP-84 (uv 7245).
Name: Bradley Olson
Website: Bradley Olson--A Person With Autism
From: Bemidji, Minnesota
Time: 2000-02-29 21:46:19
Comments: Thanks for the information Marty. I will definitely be buying the "Burl Ives Country Hits" CD so that I can have a copy of "Mary Ann Regrets" on CD without having to shell out extra money for the Bear Family box, the "America's Folk Singer" compilation or the Reader's Digest collection or simply borrowing a copy to burn on CD-R. I do buy "Country Hits" type of compilations as all of you know, I'm a country music collector. I definitely like the choice of songs otherwise. Speaking of country music, I recently discovered at a discount store bargain bin a Special Product CD reissue of Willie Nelson's 1976 gospel album originally released by Columbia entitled "The Troublemaker" which I didn't buy as I have the original LP. It is a straight reissue of the original LP and contains the original cover art.
Name: beetle, the walking reference
Time: 2000-02-29 21:50:43
Comments: Luke, I have that disc. It's an HDCD disc.

Disc 1: YACKETY YACK-The Coasters (M), WHAT'D I SAY-Ray Charles (S, Long version), MACK THE KNIFE-Bobby Darin (S), STAND BY ME-Ben E. King (M), IN THE MIDNIGHT HOUR-Wilson Pickett (M), I GOT YOU BABE-Sonny & Cher (M), WHEN A MAN LOVES A WOMAN-Percy Sledge (M), RESPECT-Aretha Franklin (M, bad glitch at 1:57. It's a shame too, because it's the best sounding mono version), SOUL MAN-Sam & Dave (M), (Sittin' On) THE DOCK OF THE BAY-Otis Redding (S), SUNSHINE OF YOUR LOVE-Cream (S, LP version)

the rest of disc one and disc two is stereo.
Name: Bradley Olson
Website: Bradley Olson--A Person With Autism
From: Bemidji, Minnesota
Time: 2000-02-29 21:52:58
Comments: Luke, I also have the "Bobby Darin Story" collection which I paid about $5 at a local pawn shop in excellent condition. I bought it at the same time as the Legendary Master Series CD's of Bobby Vee and Fats Domino which I bought at the same pawn shop.



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