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Name: beetlefan From: Time: 2000-04-01 01:15:23 Comments: Oh, Luke, you know me so well! Heh-heh! :) |
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Name: Dave-o Thompson Website: Kool 99.3/Harrisburg Referred by: From a Friend From: Hershey PA Time: 2000-04-01 04:36:03 Comments: New topic I'd like to play armchair quarterback with...MFSL's masters: now that they're closed down, what's to become of them? Do they sit on 'em a la Alan Klein? Do they try to sell them back to the original labels to pay outstanding debts? Maybe ownership has already reverted to some original labels per an existing agreement? Whassup wit dat? I'm seeing MFSL's versions of Tull and others going on e-bay for obscene prices (obscene in that somebody ELSE is rakin' it in and not me!), presumably on the basis that these titles will never sound as good again. So, I'm asking WHY NOT? Isn't it possible that somewhere down the line, somebody will own the tapes who will be able to afford making a deal to put many of these back into production? |
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Name: Bob
Olivia From: Burbank, Ca. Time: 2000-04-01 04:54:25 Comments: Regarding Domique by the Singing Nun. It does exist in Stereo, I had an original Phillips LP of their songs. all in stereo, unfortunately i gave it away, but still have it on tape. Bob |
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Name: Mark
Hanson Website: From: Niles, MI Time: 2000-04-01 08:11:04 Comments: Re: Ides of March. Barry M., I appreciate both your desire and your joy at having the early Ides on disc. However, my first exposure to them was "Vehicle", and I saw them live just as "Vehicle" peaked on the charts (a very good live show, the Ides opening for Frijid Pink, of all groups). I bought and thoroughly enjoyed both WB albums (crazy as it is, I still get "We Are Pillows" going through my mind at intervals.) I mourn that decent copies of those albums are not available on CD. I had expected "Ideology" to be something different than it is. But when I see it, I will get it for myself. BTW, if any reader is still curious about what noise-reduction "artifacts" sound like, find the French Prism release of the "Vehicle" CD. It'll put a light on for ya'. |
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Name: beetlefan From: Time: 2000-04-01 10:33:44 Comments: I'd like to think that sooner or later, someone down the line will take over where MoFi left off, in Audiophille CD, DVD Audio, SACD, or some other configuration. Bob, transfer that Singing Nun stereo tape to CD-R! Fast! Dave-O-Thompson, I know, digital NR artifacts are not pretty! |
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Name: Bradley
Olson Website: Bradley Olson--A Person With Autism From: Bemidji, Minnesota Time: 2000-04-01 11:03:36 Comments: I don't have a cassette player connected to my computer, otherwise I'd be transferring the stereo cassette of Marty Robbins's "More Gunfighter Ballads and Trail Songs" that's still in print (Columbia PCT 8272) onto CD-R so for those who have the domestic Sony CD of "Gunfighter Ballads and Trail Songs" will not have to buy the import CD twofer of "Gunfighter Ballads/More Gunfighter Ballads" or not wait until Sony Legacy, DCC, Koch or somebody remasters the album domestically. |
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Name: Uncle
Al From: Long Island, NY Time: 2000-04-01 12:01:36 Comments: To Dave-o: I doubt that the majors would have much interest in MFSL masters, maybe if they got 'em cheap and could market them under the MFSL label. After all, the great majority of those masters were taken from originals already in their vaults. Not to diminish what audiophile labels of popular music (MFSL, DCC, etc.) have given us, but recent major label remasterings have exceeded their quality. For example - MFSL's "Thick as a Brick" has been sonically surpassed by the standard label 25th anniversary edition (although that is not true for Aqualung). General consensus seems to be that the Doors boxed set of remastered albums are better than DCC's (I have not heard these). I think that is one of the reasons DCC is now mastering previously unreleased recordings (Sinatra, Judy Garland). If you don't OWN the rights to the master tape - sooner or later the potential that someone will come along and "do you one better" always exists. I will miss MFSL's delve into "niche" music (Muddy Waters etc.) that would probably never be remastered by the owners. For most of the posters on this board, their are labels like Taragon, Varese and Eric which offer quality renastering of oldies, and don't charge "gold" prices for their offerings. |
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Name: SACD
Baird From: Red Stick Time: 2000-04-01 12:02:57 Comments: To Dave-o in Hershey. Any tapes that MoFi has are not theirs to sell. Since all of their auciophile CDs were produced under license from the copyright holder, even MoFi would have to destroy them once the terms of the agreement were met (in either length of time or number of copies sold). The high (agreed, they're obscene) prices you've seen on ebay for many of them don't always reflect the sound quality either. As many collectors know, there are several regular issues that are better sounding than the MoFis -- they just don't happen to be as collectible. A case in point is EAT A PEACH. I was happy to get rid of my MoFi (for $144) when the regular Capricorn CD was remastered. By comparison, the MoFi was a little dull. As for a resurgence of audiophile products from MoFi, I think the market has already proven to be too small for the majors to want to put much interest in this. Atlantic & RCA put out only a few of them; CBS put out 55 in its mastersound series and then discontinued them, and MCA put out a few themselves and then abandoned the effort. All this aside, I have already heard rumors that MoFi will resurface within the next few months making only SACDs (music) and DVDs (music videos). I'll believe it when I see it. |
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Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 2000-04-01 13:18:41 Comments: Al, re: MCA reissued Muddy Waters' "Folk Singer" last summer. I don't have the MoFi to compare it to, but it sounds pretty good to me. It also has bonus tracks. |
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Name: Dave-o Thompson Website: Kool 99.3/Harrisburg Referred by: From a Friend From: Hershey PA Time: 2000-04-01 17:14:50 Comments: I don't care whether the label is Mobile Fiduciary, the disc is painted with gold Krylon, or the tray has a hinge that bends into a paper airplane...we're all just looking for the best sound possible on a medium which holds such promise, but often delivers indifference at premium prices. While some labels have put 2+2 together and started showing their product respect, there are some titles that will never get another chance to be heard that good again. If a better-sounding master exists, and MoFi has given it back to the originating label, I'd like to know they care enough about their own product to upgrade what they're already selling their customers, at standard price. I don't mind if Sony tweaks "Bookends", or A&M buffs-up "Night And Day", but until that happens, dont we deserve the best they COULD offer? Isn't that just as much a consumer issue as a niche-audio-purist issue? |
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Name: Marty
Wekser From: Los Angeles Time: 2000-04-01 18:14:07 Comments: Mobil Fidelity was extremely quality conscious and had the best possible mastering equipment in the early days of CD issues. They were way ahead of the curve. In recent years, the majors have realized that they can make more money by getting people to go out and re-buy CD's because of sound quality improvements so it is worth it to them to re-master titles which still have shelf life. But also, it is important to note that processing equipment has drastically improved in the last five years and all the majors who do their own mastering have upgraded to substantially better A/D converters. In a perfect world, all companies would go in and remaster their entire catalog with better sources. And there are some owner operated smaller labels (like Taragon) which have gone back in to remaster titles. No fanfare, no hoopla. They just do this if they feel they can present an even better product than was originally issued. One last point (from someone who does mastering)... you can brighten the highs and add some low end to any master tape and it will probably sound better! This doesn't mean that the original tape sounded this way or that you aren't merely doing something that sounds better to you as a mastering person. So, there's no definitive answer of what makes a Mobile Fidelity package sound more or less appealing than the major label's newly-mastered version. In many cases it is just a matter of how an engineer hears how it should sound and then how it is ultimately perceived in the "ears" of the beholder. |
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Name: Groovin'
Garrett From: Time: 2000-04-01 19:11:17 Comments: Is it just me, or are the levels on "Night And Day" VERY LOW?? It seems every time I use that CD to play "Steppin' Out", I have to crank the sliders up! |
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Name: CLARK
BESCH From: LINCOLN, NE Time: 2000-04-01 19:46:03 Comments: JUST THOUGHT I'D COMMENT ABOUT THE IDES OF MARCH NEW CD. I TOO AWAIT IT. I AM VERY EXCITED THAT SUNDAZED HAS DELVED INTO THE PARROT STUFF. MANY FELT IT WOULD NEVER BE ACCOMPLISHED, SO HATS OFF TO BOB IRWIN & CO. AS FOR THE WB STUFF, I LIKE IT TOO AND THAT'S ONLY A CASE OF LAZINESS BY WB WHY WE DON'T HAVE A NICE PACKAGE OF THAT STUFF, BUT THAT'S WB FOR YA. JUST GIVE THE IDES' PARROT MATERIAL A CHANCE AND YOU'LL LOVE IT. THE STEREO "GIRLS DON'T GROW ON TREES" SHOULD BE WORTH IT ALONE. IF YOU LIKE THE TURTLES, YOU'LL LIKE THIS TRACK. AS FOR LEX BLOOM'S "ALL I KNOW" SONG, I WOULD GUESS IT'S THE QUAD MIX. I HAVE IT, BUT NOT AT MY FINGERTIPS CURRENTLY. |
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Name: Joe
Strigle From: Burbank Time: 2000-04-01 20:13:05 Comments: Marty, thanks for your comments re boosting highs and lows to improve masters. Your comments triggered a question ... Does everyone here listen to their music flat? Personally, I hate flat. My home stereo is EQ'd for added bass and highs. Without it, all my CDs sound dull. Am I alone? On what standards are we passing judgement here? |
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Name: Marty
Wekser From: Los Angeles Time: 2000-04-01 21:19:18 Comments: Call me old-fashioned. Call me a traditionalist. Call me irresponsible. Call me unreliable. Oh well you know where this is going. In reply to Joe Strigle, here's one man's opinion. Mine. I listen to my music FLAT. After comparing the sound in the mastering room which uses really good speakers, my floor standing Tannoy's at home and the acoustics in my living room seem to pretty much match the studio environment. (Though I don't have a Sonic Solutions work station in my living room!!) For me, the FLAT setting on my Pioneer Dolby-Digital VSX-D906S gives me a good frame of reference of how the music should sound. Then, if I play a CD which sounds "boomy" on the low end or "brittle" on the high end, I know it is the CD. If it's something I've mastered, I then know what corrections to make back at the studio. Virtually all the CD's I play sound fine this way. There are receiver settings to boost or reduce "bass" and "treble" by +6 to -6 points but I rarely use them. This must be some sort of shelf eq, though I'm not sure at which low and high frequencies they work. If you are in a small room with no windows, carpeting or paneling, you may need to make certain eq adjustments. Likewise, if you are in a room surrounded by lots of windows, you might need to make different compensations. In this case though, you might consider moving your bedroom out of the Sears Tower! When I listen to CD-R's to approve before final mastering and manufacturing, I tend to listen on three different systems: living room, my studio and my car. I'm only happy when they sound good in all three locations. But interestingly, I never listen on a portable player with headphones. Though I like the sound of good music on studio monitor headphones (like Sony MDR-V6's), I find that they over emphasize every blemish in older recordings (40's, 50's and some 60's era primarily), so I never listen to my work on them for any kind of evaluation. This may be an interesting topic for others to address on BSN. How do you listen to music -- big system, small system on your PC, or Walkman?. Do you like to add a lot of eq or do you normally like flat? It would also be interesting to hear from other engineers and audiophiles who post on this site. |
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Name: Boppin'
Brian From: So Cal. Time: 2000-04-01 22:12:09 Comments: Regarding "Dominique" by the Singing Nun, previous post states:"... It does exist in Stereo, I had an original Phillips LP of their songs. all in stereo..." When this (& several other tracks) came out in mono on an Eric CD I was disappointed & contacted Eric. Received a somewhat peeved reply insisting that the songs I cited were never in stereo, and blamed the ol' "bad memory" / "noodle mis-fire" & forgot aboout it. Turns out that, in the intervening years, several of the things have turned up in stereo. Still no "Dominique". (Still on that list of '63 Stereo - where - ee - oh's that includes "Sukiyaki", but, thankfiully, not "El Watusi", anymore...). Revisiting the Singing Nun "Dominique" Stereo Philips LP (the one with the dee-luxe gatefold, watercolors, etc.) not too long ago it is all mildly "fake" stereo. If this hit is out there in true stereo, let us all know where! I would gladly sell some of my MFSL CDs for, what was that, $200 each !?!!?! Where are these people lined up !? Actually, I understand that there are some "Unique" mixes/versions, etc. among MFSLs. "Tommy" (Hi, Luke) is supposedly from a back-up / alternate Pete Townsend mastertape. Have my treble setting pretty much "stuck" on "highest" setting. This may be due to the fact that my primary (20-25 year - old) amp is powering a slapped together, non-big bucks system & speakers (Making up for what may be whatever shortcomings there are to entire system), or just cuz "I like it like that"! |
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Name: Tom Daly Website: Skyline Mastering From: Metro Boston Time: 2000-04-01 23:12:29 Comments: I have in my hand a copy of Philips PCC 603, The Singing Nun by Soeur Sourire. The banner at the top of the LP jacket states "This is an electronic re-processing to permit reproduction on stereo players of a performance originally recorded monaurally." Although I did not master the ERIC CD containing "Dominique," I can attest to the fact that any stereo issues of the song used the typical Mercury-style rechannelling... lots of reverb on one channel, with the mono track on the other. |
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Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 2000-04-01 23:19:53 Comments: Tommy - I guess MoFi used a tape Pete had in his collection. It had the alternate mix/vocal track of Eyesight To The Blind previously only found on UK LP issues of the album. I believe that version first came out in 1973 and was used on LPs after that point. Can't say I know if any of the other tracks are different mixes, but if they are, they are nothing out of the ordinary. |
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Name: beetlefan From: Time: 2000-04-01 23:56:44 Comments: Well, Marty, I listen to everything FLAT. I used to have a very good sized den in which to do my listening, with plush carpeting and soft surfaces. Since I've moved, my carpet is somewhat flat, there is not a lot of furnature, and the walls are hard and non-absorptive. There are a lot of hard surfaces. I've had to set the speakers up against the wall and angle them to the sweet spot beacuse this is a very small room. Wives! Back in my early twenties, like most people, I used to jack up the treble and turn the bass up a bit. When I realized what I was doing to the sound, I turned off the loudness button and turned all the knobs to "0". Oh, I suffered. I thought everything sounded flat and lifeless. But all of a sudden, I heard space and depth. Things started to sound a bit more natural. The background noise on my lp's and tapes faded away. When I make CD-R's from vinyl, I use headphones only to hear detail. When I started making them, I used to EQ almost everything. Now, I rarely make any attempts to alter the sound. I've gone back and remastered a lot of things I did three years ago. I listen to my work on my modest, full-size home stereo, then in the car, then on anything else I can get my hands on. |
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Name: John
Adkins From: Phoenix Time: 2000-04-02 02:29:19 Comments: Dick Bartley unleashes another one, synch-up or otherwise: on the Saturday April 1 show at 10:25pm ET he played "Good Vibrations" in stereo. |
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Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 2000-04-02 07:48:49 Comments: John, re: How did Good Vibrations sound? Vocals centered, off to one side, ...? I've had a "stereo" version for about a year now - mono mix in one channel and backing track in the other... Somebody said they still haven't found the vocal tapes for that one, though... Maybe they have? |
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Name: SACD
Baird From: Land of Hi-Fi Time: 2000-04-02 11:51:56 Comments: Marty, those Tannoys you have (as a whole line of products -- get the Chuchills if you can afford them) are great loudspeakers. In general, the British are well-known for producing a broad range of quality transducers. Companies like Rogers, Spendor, Tannoy, ProAc, Quad & Bowers & Wilkins (sorry if I missed a brand you’re partial to) have led the way in accurate speaker design. The Rogers LS3/5A has been legendary as a small studio monitor, and, in general again, the British have always been cognizant of their own unique needs causing them to design loudspeakers that play very well in small spaces -- since the average Brit doesn’t have the luxury of the large rooms that we Yanks enjoy. I don’t remember when the notion that bass and treble controls became the no-no that audiophiles religiously reject. The last product I owned (early 70’s) that had these things was my Audio Research SP-3A preamp, but even it had a tone control defeat switch (sorry Boppin’ Brian: it was not a toggle switch either, unfortunately) that took them out of the circuit. Today, there’s hardly an audiophile purist product that even offers tone controls. The reason (as beetle so rightly pointed out) is that tone controls usually do reduce the spatiality and ambiance of a recording while they are in the process of adjusting frequency balance to suit a listener’s tastes. Outboard equalizers don’t offer any help in this respect either. The addition of another stage (including two additional sets of patch chords -- one in, one out -- detracts from the music Simpler, as they say, is usually better. I have no choice but to listen to music FLAT since my SP-9 has no tone controls. It’s probably for the better anyway. Boppin’ Brian: the MoFi CDs that regularly sell for >$200 on ebay are limited to Jethro Tull’s Stand Up, Dave Grisman’s Hot Dawg and sealed copies of Pink Floyd’s The Wall. There are plenty more that sell in the >$100 range. Again, Marty W is correct about MoFi’s not sounding as good as many of today’s regular remasters (but in many cases, I’ve also found these hyped-up remasters to not sound any better at all). This has actually been brought up many times over the past few years. But, God love ‘em, there are collectors out there who just want them for their unique qualities -- the gold Cd and the pop-up jewel case. The Who’s Tommy on MFSL, BTW Luke, was absolutely one of the WORST sounding releases the company ever put out. Dreadfully dry and lifeless, and no match for my original USA Decca LP. FOLK SINGER was a milestone for the company (haven’t heard the MCA reissue). It was their first issue in what they called the Gain System. The LP version has the reputation of being MoFi’s best sounding issue ever in the medium; the CD is, to these ears, just a gnat’s eyelash short of BLUES IN ORBIT, which gets my vote as their best sounding release (in the SACD mode), and, perhaps, the best sounding release of ANY older recording (must be heard to be believed). |
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Name: John
Adkins From: Phoenix Time: 2000-04-02 13:33:33 Comments: Luke, re "Good Vibrations": I heard vocals in the center and various track parts left, center and right. I'd say there was more in the center than on either side but there was definitely backing track on the left and right. |
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Name: Bradley
Olson Website: Bradley Olson--A Person With Autism From: Bemidji, Minnesota Time: 2000-04-02 13:43:07 Comments: I enjoy buying CD reissues as well as original LP's, but I would rather pay $10-15 for them than the "premium" prices charged by DCC (which as we all know is still in business) and MoFi at the time they were in business whenever possible, but although I don't have any DCC country CD's yet they are within that price range so I may consider buying some of them. We are very lucky that we can get Hank Williams on CD for whatever amount you choose to pay based on the size of the collection such as $8-12 for a single disc hits package, $24 for the 2 CD "40 Greatest Hits" package and a few boxed sets which include "The Original Singles Collection" and "The Complete Hank Williams," plus compilations based on concept such as "I Saw The Light" which consists of religious recordings, the "Beyond The Sunset" compilation of his "Luke The Drifter" recordings, compilations of live recordings and radio transcriptions such as "Health and Happiness Shows" and "Live At The Grand Ole Opry," compilations of demos, etc. |
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Name: Bradley
Olson Website: Bradley Olson--A Person With Autism From: Bemidji, Minnesota Time: 2000-04-02 13:47:48 Comments: I equalize music based on how I feel the song should sound, on my bedroom stereo there is only a 3 band equalizer, but on the living room stereo, there is a 5 band equalizer. The upstairs bedroom stereo equalizer is left alone. |
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Name: Jay
Connors From: Greater New York Metro Time: 2000-04-02 15:54:28 Comments: Been a while since I last said hello to everyone here! Some very interesting posts lately. First of all, an answer to someone who asked about Huey Smith and his Clowns. I do not have any of the Ace material (England) of this artist, but I had a couple of singles on comps until recently. While in a CD store which sometimes has interesting used CDs, I came across an item which I purchased. It is entitled Rockin' Pneumonia and the Boogie Woogie Flu by Huey Piano Smith and the Clowns. JAX 501. Very amateurish drawing graces the cover with low budget graphics and layout. Flip of paper sleeve is a repro of what looks like a Cashbox or Billboard ad of the era l957 in black and white. Listed are thirty tunes with three being previously unreleased, and one outtake. There is a visable defect on the playing side of the disc, which doesn't seem to have any audible effect on the last two cuts. (The defect is a misapplication of the material coating which allows a "window" to view the other side's coating.) Jax Record Company, New Orleans, La. is on the sleeve. Sound? Great! Excellent to these ears. Add another suprise to the pile of hard to get material surfacing on odd labels which is sometimes better than what is available on well known labels. Dynamics are excellent, and if these cuts are taken from disc, I cannot tell. All cuts are very clean, and fully enjoyable. They sound like original master tapes to me, but may just be cleaned up discs (by a pro who really knows his stuff!) Sound is warm, and clear, not thin or tinny, or muffled by use of too much "cleaning agent". I paid eight bucks for this, but what find. It could have gone either way, miserable sonics, or good sound. It's way beyond good sound, right into the excellent category, considering the recording circumstances and technology available at Ace at the time. Most other stuff I have from Ace, New Orleans is hardly great from that era. Some Jimmy Clanton, and Frankie Ford material is acceptable, but this is better than any others I have come across. Lucked out on this one. Also wanted to alert whoever is interested, that I found an excellent source for hard to find "oldies" at a very low price, (especially when they have "free shipping" sale days) Yalplay, located in England has a huge catelog of fifties, sixties, and up to current selections. A lot of the sixties stuff is by little known artists on these shores, Billy Fury, Cilla Black, Heinz, Kathy Kirby, Helen Shapiro, Cliff Richard, Tremeloes, Fortunes, Billy J. Kramer, and so forth. All on various "budget" labels, (Hallmark) etc. But here's the suprise! I picked up about twenty full CDs for about five to seven bucks each (including shipping -- free shipping sale days) All are listed in pounds, and it seems strange to see full CDs for Two Pounds, Ninty Seven Pence, which roughly transfers into about five bucks U.S. Some are higher priced, some are even lower! The shipping is very high. I paid two pounds to have one CD shipped before they alerted me by email of their weeklong free shipping deal. I jumped on it, and saved about forty bucks in shipping charges. Secure ordering, and easy credit card payment. I love YalPlay, and plan to do a lot more buying. By the way, the CDs I received are of excellent quality so far. Shipment is sometimes slow because they don't stock everything they list, but by and large it becomes available to them from outside suppliers one way or another. You can track your purchases through their web site, and they email you everytime they send you something. A must for music collectors! Best regards to everyone reading this! Cheers! Jay Connors |
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Name: Danno From: Upstate NY Time: 2000-04-02 16:01:10 Comments: Just heard some cool STEREO samples at a place called "The STEREOfiles". http://www.stereofiles.homestead.com/stereofiles.html "Little Honda", "Angel Baby", "A Whiter Shade Of Pale", "Tequila", "The Stroll!!!", and a few others. Stop by and check it out, it's GREAT! |
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Name: Jay
Connors From: Time: 2000-04-02 16:23:03 Comments: I posted here, and it seemed to take, but nothing appeared on the message board. I am just checking now to see if it works. |
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Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 2000-04-02 16:44:49 Comments: Hmm...just took a listen to Whiter Shade Of Pale and Louie Louie. It's a bit hard to tell because of the MP3s, but both seem to be legit. Louie Louie in particular does not sound like a "fake-up", ala Green Onions, All Day And All Of The Night, You Really Got Me, etc... Organ right, vocals center, drums right... Anyone have a better version? Of either of those... Tequila also sounds legit... |
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Name: Barry
Margolis From: Minneapolis, MN Time: 2000-04-02 18:29:40 Comments: I just contributed another batch of reviews for Mike's upcoming book, and there's one recent find that I wanted you all to know about It's a UK compliation containing some of the really best 1967-69 Psychedelic tracks ever released by UK Decca and UK Deram records. They were really smart to pick an equal number of b sides, as well as a sides...just the best tracks. The sound is great. Here's the dope: THE PSYCHEDELIC SCENE (Deram 844 797-2) UK [AAD] 1998 [NR] Time-73:24 [Reader comments: This 25 tracks retrospective contains a number of well-known, legendary obscure British psych classics recorded for Decca and Deram from 1967-1969. Sound is absolutely wonderful, loud and bright with some slight hiss. No new stereo, but this CD contains well over $500.00 worth of rare British psych! Nice booklet, too. My only complaint - why is the Small Faces track included? This is psych? Not in my book-BSM] TINTERN ABBEY-Vacuum Cleaner (M)/THE END-Shades Of Orange(S)/THE ACCENT-Red Sky At Night(M)/CURIOSITY SHOPPE-Baby I Need You (M)/THE SYN-14 Hour Technicolour Dream(M)/THE POETS-In Your Tower(M)/SMALL FACES-That Man(M)/THE FAIRYTALE-Guess I Was Dreaming(M)/TURQUOISE-Woodstock(M)/AL STEWART-Turn Into Earth(M)/VIRGIN SLEEP-Secret(M)/FELIUS ANDROMEDA-Meditations(M)/HUMAN INSTINCT-A Day In My Mind’s Mind(M)/THE ICE-Ice Man(M)/THE MOODY BLUES-Love & Beauty(M)/23RD TURNOFF-Michaelangelo(M)/THE SOCIETIE-Bird Has Flown(M)/WORLD OF OZ-Like A Tear(S)/GARDEN ODYSSEY ENTERPRISE-Sad & Lonely(S)/KEITH SHIELDS-Deep Inside Your Mind(M)/TIMEBOX-Gone Is The Sad Man(S)/THE PLAGUE-Here Today, Gone Tomorrow(M)/ANDY FORRAY-Dream With Me(M)/WARM SOUNDS-Night Is A Comin’(M). |
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Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 2000-04-02 19:28:34 Comments: Steve, re: Yea, the original Decca pressing of Tommy is pretty widely considered the best copy of the original mix. If the stories are to be believed, the band burned the mixdown master shortly after the LPs were pressed. I wonder how the UK Track issue compares... I'm surprised though, that even stuff made from second generation tapes doesn't sound better... Also, I believe the best sounding CD copy of the original mix of Tommy was the last single disc issue. I want to say that was put out in 1993, but don't quote me... |
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Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 2000-04-02 19:30:07 Comments: Just to note - that single disc version of Tommy I mentioned was on MCA. |
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Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 2000-04-02 19:32:52 Comments: Heh...one more! I just compared the MP3 of Whiter Shade of Pale to the regular version, and it seems to be identical - the vocals match and it even phases... |
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Name: Boppin'
Brian From: So Ca Time: 2000-04-02 19:58:05 Comments: Good Gravy! Great Googly Moogly! Holy Mackerel! Speaking of which…… Did anyone else submit dozens of titles for BSN's considreation & potential "review" & inclusion in the new book & never get a response? What's the deal? (No jibes about my tastes in music, OK bub). On the subject of the Cool & Crazy, Wild & Wacky….. anyone know from what tune that "HOLY MACKREL!" drop-in in the Buchanan & Goodman "Flying Saucer" emanates? This may have been "Back to School Again" by Timmie "Oh Yeah" Rodgers (sp.?) on Cameo from '57…….?!?!?!?! They used a lot of things that haven't been reissued (legally, at least) yet. Remember something somewhere sometime (pre-CD?!) that someone (Boy, ain't this mysterious?! Better forget this & call in the Scooby van….) had tediously reconstructed drop-in record(s) with upgraded "snippets". May have been "Russian Bandstand" by Spencer & Spencer…?!?! Anyway, it came out with saome portions in S-T-E-R-E-O. (Didn't think I'd be able to work the "S" word in here, didja?). Aloha. Yikes! Seems that "the force" is with us, again. Jedi master of all things Whostereo has snuck in posts whilst typing of all of above was in progress! |
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Name: Boppin' Back
Brian From: Sunny CA. Time: 2000-04-02 20:31:12 Comments: Wow! Look! I can do two in a row, too! Aw, jes' funnin' wit' ya, kiddio. Hey L.P. (wow, trippy…how aboout startin' your own newsletter….: "L.P. on CDs" !?!?!)……uh, O.K., get to the point (this better be good!) ..uh, L.P., maybe you were the previous owner of my rummage sale scavenged German WHO "PHASES" LP box. Ya see, it seems that the last dude that had this had all the original, numbered reissue LPs plus an original Decca U.S. "Tommy" in place of reissue ! MFSL hunters &
gatherers/deep - pocketed completists: "Anyone have any other hot tips, lay 'em on me" dept.: Plan to use a $50 freebie at Cdnow. Want that Dick Bartley Girl Groups & A coulple of what y'all would call "off-beat" items (some Big Beat (UK) titles, like Charlatans, Mouse & Traps…don't expect any stereo…).. Right now, it's time to visit the euphemism then get a snack & then… "Too much information" ?!? Sorry. Later. |
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Name: Dean
Zemaitaitis From: Calgary Canada Time: 2000-04-03 00:25:12 Comments: Wow, I just checked out the site mentioned below (http://www.stereofiles.homestead.com/stereofiles.html) and finished listening to alot of unreleased and unheard of stereo. While the stereo separation on a couple (Angel Baby in particular) is narrow, it does have fairly good stereo imaging, but check out Tequila, Little bitty pretty one, Louie, Louie...great stereo. Also check out Sukiyaki! The stereo instruments sound so clean and full with Kyu's voice centered nicely. Little Honda has the vocals centered for the first time which makes it so much easier to listen to! While I'm sure some of the MONO fans may want to pick these apart, I'm sure most of the stereo fans will be wanting to hear the entire songs, not just a sample. I wish I knew who posted these on the WWW and whether or not they are available. i just got to have the entire song of Sukiyaki in true stereo now that I know it exists (oh the pain.......!) hehe. Anyways check out the site. you won't be disappointed |
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Name: Dave
Sampson From: Time: 2000-04-03 00:51:50 Comments: Dean & Everyone else who visited those stereo MP3 samples. Although most of em are great-the version of Sukiyaki there is a Re recording. no question in my ears. Lets hope we get the real version of that song in stereo someday. |
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Name: Christopher
Kissel From: Long Island, NY Time: 2000-04-03 06:41:28 Comments: To Dave Sampson: As someone who has heard the complete stereo mix of Sukiyaki let me assure you that it is NOT an alternate take and that it IS in fact the original hit mix. I suspect your confusion stems from having never heard the song in such a clean mix. Hopefully one of the record labels puts the stereo mix on one of their compilations soon! |
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Name: M. Raphone From: Time: 2000-04-03 07:45:13 Comments: Chris is right...it is the original...but it's a sync-up. The mono single was sync'd to the stereo music track, which has long been available on a Japanese 3" CD. There is no multitrack with the vocal & music... |
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Name: Tom
C. Website: From: Time: 2000-04-03 08:07:57 Comments: OK beAtlefans, - - if you're a Beatle-nut like me, you've spent years (decades?) wondering why Her Majesty (Abbey Road) has the last note chopped off. Well, I have Unsurpassed Masters ("Yellow Dog" label) #5, 1969, which has a take of H.M. - with that last note. I just EQ'd it, adjusted the levels (left and right) and "attached" that note to the Abbey Road track. Not bad, if I must say so myself, 'though I have yet to listen to it on decent speakers. If anyone wants it (only 27 seconds, 436k as an MP3), email me. |
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Name: Greg Referred by: From a Friend From: Time: 2000-04-03 11:01:47 Comments: Enjoyed the info here. Hoping someone can help. I'm trying to get the lyrics from a song called "Please Betty Jane Shave Your Legs." It was from MAD "twists" album on the BigTop label. Thanks, Greg |
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Name: Mike
Arcidiacono From: Time: 2000-04-03 11:47:52 Comments: Re: Beach Boys Does anybody have the advance on the upcoming Varese Vintage Beach Boys Cd? This is a comp of the "Hite Morgan" tracks that the group recorded before they signed to Capitol in 1962. My question is whether they used the stereo versions of these tracks, as most of them exist in stereo, as found on the DCC Cd from 1991. Anybody know? The Cd also says "mastered by Bill Inglot" which, as a stereo collector, makes me really, really, nervous. Also, anybody know of any stereo on the Norton Records comp "California Sun-The Best of The Riverias"??? Norton is usually crappy for stereo and sonics. Mikey |
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Name: Chuck
Iverson From: Sunnyvale,CA> Time: 2000-04-03 11:54:08 Comments: Good morning, people blessed with two ears! Does anyone have Tom Moulton's current E-mail address? Even Tom. thanks |
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Name: Mike
Cloud From: Houston, TX Time: 2000-04-03 13:32:33 Comments: The London Telegraph reports that the Beatles are writing their joint autobiography to be published this fall. Details at www.telegraph.co.uk and search Beatles or if you like typing long addresses http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=000659276559150&rtmo=VwGw4mxx&atmo=tttttttd&pg=/et/00/4/2/nfa b02.html |
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Name: beetlefan From: Time: 2000-04-03 16:35:46 Comments: Here's the story: When Paul McCartney was assembling the suite for side two of "Abbey Road", he had spliced in "Her Majesty" between "Mean Mr. Mustard" and "Polytheme Pam". Paul later decided he didn't want it so he cut it back out, taking along the last chord of MMR and the first note of "Polytheme Pam". When engineer Geoff Emrick asked Paul what he should do with the piece of tape on the floor, McCartney told him to just throw it away. But, Geoff had been trained by EMI to NEVER throw away anything! So, he spliced it onto the end of the reel of side two. That also accounts for the approxamately twelve seconds before it. Paul McCartney must have liked what he heard because he approved the final master. "Her Majesty" has the end note of "Mean Mr. Mustard and the beginning of "Polythene Pam", if you leave off that piece Tom Crook found. The way I figure it is this: To make "Her Majesty" fit into the suite, Paul cut off the last note you found, and stuck it in between "Mean Mr. Mustard" and "Polythene Pam". If you edit it back in, it should fit perfectly. To further evidence this, you can hear a bad tape splice at the edit points between these two songs.,br> BTW, Tom, I cleaned up your mp3 and took out the clicks. Good work! My next thing is to put "Her Majesty" back where it belongs. |
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Name: Beetlefan Website: Referred by: From: Time: 2000-04-03 17:27:30 Comments: O.K., It didn't fit exactly. A bit more was chopped off, apparantly. But, I reinserted "Her Majesty" back into the original spot by using the whole song, including the end piece. I edited a beat before the song change from "Mean Mr. Mustard" to "Her Majesty". I let HM decay and crossfaded that into the intro of "Polytheme Pam". I had to chop off the beginning note of PP so it would fit together. I made an mp3 of the whole edited section. If anyone wants to hear it, E-mail me at haas@theriver.com. |
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Name: Dave
Sampson From: Time: 2000-04-03 19:24:18 Comments: Re Re Sukiyaki: sorry folks, but my ears tell me there's something wrong here. True-the vocals sound original, but there's just something about the music that does not sound right. My guess is that they've pulled a "five o'clock world" on us and added new instrumentation to the original track. the music simply sounds too modern to be original. if someone would care to send me the entire Mp3 to give a closer listen to, I'd be happy to eat my words-but till then I'm going to stand by my ears. They've seldom let me down yet. |
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Name: Dave
Daugherty From: Dublin, Ohio Time: 2000-04-03 20:21:04 Comments: Re: Beetlefan.....well, you're almost right on the "Her Majesty" story. While Geoff Emerick was the recording and mixing engineer for Abbey Road, the tape operator was John Kurlander. The book "Inside Moves" has an interview with John and he states "When we were compiling the Abbey Road album, that short track which ends it 'Her Majesty' was originally cross-faded between 'Mean Mr. Mustard' and 'Polythene Pam'. When he heard it, Paul said 'No it doesn't work there....I don't like it....Chuck it out!' Well, being that the track was already cross-faded and this was only a demo assembly of the album, I wasn't going to undo the cross-fade and restore the original. So I just cut 'Her Majesty' out, leaving the last note of that song over the first note of 'Polythene Pam', and instead of throwing 'Her Majesty' away, I put twenty seconds of red leader tape at the beginning of it, and wrote 'Unwanted version of Her Majesty' after the red leader. Then, the next morning, Malcolm Davies cut a reference of the record, and again he had the same attitude I did - don't throw anything away - so he just stuck 'Her Majesty' on as a separate track twenty seconds after the end of the other tracks. The band therefore listened to the album, and just when they thought it was all over, this track suddenly came on at the end. This appealed to them, and they ended using that same rough mix on the album" The reason "Her Majesty" is missing the final chord is that it's still buried under the first note of "Polythene Pam" in the final mix, and the reason "Her Majesty" starts so abruptly is because the opening chord is actually part of the final chord from Mean Mr. Mustard. That also explains why there is a hard edit between "Mustard" and "Pam". "Her Majesty was originally thought of a transition piece between the two tracks, but it didn't work in Paul's opinion, so they eliminated it and resorted to a hard edit. Somebody else in a prior post mentioned that they were restoring "Her Majesty" to it's rightful place on the album. While that might be fun to listen to and study, it's somewhat presumptuous to think that we might know better than the Beatles what songs go where. Abbey Road is a classic album just as it is. |
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Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 2000-04-03 22:23:32 Comments: Dave, re: Actually, the rough mix/edit of the medly done on 30 July was *not* used - the whole thing was re-done later. That's why Her Majesty doesn't fit in on the final mix - it was never done with Her Majesty in the running order. |
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Name: Dave
Daugherty From: Dublin, Ohio Time: 2000-04-03 23:09:10 Comments: Luke, while I think you can interpret John Kurlander's comments in two different ways, I don't think he was saying (nor was I trying to imply) that the rough mix from 30 July was used as the final master tape for the album. I think he was saying that the rough mix was used as the template to create the final mix from, with the same basic edits and cross-fades, but of course, minus "Her Majesty". The Beatles clearly liked that rough mix with the surprise song at the end, and so it was more or less duplicated for the final master tape. Oh, and by the way, the title of the book is "Inside Tracks" not "Inside Moves" as I strangely typed in my previous post. Sorry about that! |
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Name: Jay
Connors From: Time: 2000-04-03 23:45:42 Comments: I keep getting a message that an error has occured on a plug in to this page. I cannot get access to anything beyond Sunday's message from Bradley. Yet when I checked on the computer at work this afternoon, access was granted and my post from yesterday was displayed along with the current ones. I don't have a clue on how to fix this. Anyone ever experience this before? I'll check in tomorrow from work to see if anyone has any advice. |
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Name: beetlefan From: Time: 2000-04-04 01:45:36 Comments: Dave Daughtry, That was me who said was going to "restore" "Her Majesty" to it's rightful place. I ment that tounge-in-cheek. For some reason, my name didn't post. Anyway, your story sounds about right. I did the crossfade, if anyone cares to hear it. It's fun, anyway. |
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Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 2000-04-04 02:05:35 Comments: Dave, re: I'm taking my information out of Mark Lewisohn's "Recording Sessions", basically the bible when it comes to the Beatles' recordings. The one obvious change from the rough mix was the crossfade after You Never Give Me Your Money - at the time an organ note was used. This was changed to bells, birds, crickets, etc... Also, FWIW, "Sun King/Mean Mr Mustard" was (in the final mix) joined to "Polythene Pam/She Came In Through The Bathroom Window) via a hard edit, rather than a crossfade. Although now out of print, I'd strongly advise any Beatles fan to find a copy of "Recording Sessions" - really a great book. Now if they'd only publish John Barrett's notes, copies of all the session sheets and copies of the tape boxes... Hell, copies of the tapes! |
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Name: Henri
Bronsgeest From: Time: 2000-04-04 02:20:30 Comments: I just listened to those stereos? Amazing! Where do they come from? Can we get them? If Tequila is the same one that Time Life put out, it is an alternate take. Her Majesty is complete on the boot Casualties. |
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Name: beetle From: Time: 2000-04-04 07:03:37 Comments: I listened to those "stereo" sync-ups. I still prefer the mono. At least the mono sounds solid with some meat to it. |
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Name: Lex Bloom,
Ahead To Stereo From: Boston Time: 2000-04-04 07:20:59 Comments: To Dave Sampson: In a gallant effort to calm your suspicions, let alone provide reassurance, the MP3 sample of "Sukiyaki" by the late Kyu Sakamoto is original and authentic, is NOT a remake, and has NOT been compromised in any way. And for it to be in stereo, it's about time. Let's continue to crusade for an all-out cure for mono-itis. |
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Name: Paul
Bigelow From: Austin, TX Time: 2000-04-04 10:36:44 Comments: Hello, I just went to the stereofiles page and it is pretty amazing. I wonder if more will be forthcoming? With all this digital technology it would appear to me the existing multitrack masters could be gathered, produce another mono mix from those, sync the original mono master and the new master and then isolate the added material as an additional track that then could be mixed in with the original multitracks thus producing a multitrack STEREO mix with no missing parts. Possible? |
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Name: Christopher
( From: Hurricane, WV/USA Time: 2000-04-04 12:23:28 Comments: Okay, you experts out there, please put on your thinking caps and help me out, will you? It seems that every CD collection of Credence Clearwater Revival's "greatest hits" that has appeared to date rates at best a "C." That is not very encouraging. Still, I've decided that I want to buy a fairly thorough collection of CCR hits before I get old and grey...er, make that "older" and "greyer." I'd appreciate private e-mails from anyone who would like to recommend what he/she considers THE BEST SOUNDING CCR hits collection still in print. It can be a single disc, double disc, or whatever. Thanks! |
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Name: Uncle
AL From: Long Island, Ny Time: 2000-04-04 13:02:13 Comments: I gotta agree with Christopher concerning CCR. I own the original Fantasy Chronicles and the late eightess remaster of Chronicles II on CD. Both sound thin compared to an early eightees vinyl colection of "longer" lp tracks called (I think) "Keep on Chooglin" and the orignal vinyl issue of "Willy and the Poor Boys" (both in my collection). I had the opportunity to pick up the DCC Chronicles but have heard nothing about it. Does any of the curent CCR issues have any bass? Both Chronicles CD's are thin and "trebley" |
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Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 2000-04-04 14:51:16 Comments: Beetle: What problems do you have with those mixes? And who's to say they are sync-ups? It's a bit hard to tell on the MP3, but Louie Louie sounds too good to me to be a sync-up - good separation, vocals more or less centered, and the electric piano (??) track not simply being a repeat, ala some other recent "sync-ups". Tequila sounds like it might be a sync-up - it's hard to tell. It starts out strong, but the acoustic guitar sounds like it might be doubled after some of the other instruments come in. In addition, while the sax is dead center, it sounds like the electric guitar might go back to center just near the end of the MP3. Of course, it's all pretty hard to tell, due both to the nature of MP3s and the short length of the songs... |
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Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 2000-04-04 14:52:01 Comments: Beetle: What problems do you have with those mixes? And who's to say they are sync-ups? It's a bit hard to tell on the MP3, but Louie Louie sounds too good to me to be a sync-up - good separation, vocals more or less centered, and the electric piano (??) track not simply being a repeat, ala some other recent "sync-ups". Tequila sounds like it might be a sync-up - it's hard to tell. It starts out strong, but the acoustic guitar sounds like it might be doubled after some of the other instruments come in. In addition, while the sax is dead center, it sounds like the electric guitar might go back to center just near the end of the MP3. Of course, it's all pretty hard to tell, due both to the nature of MP3s and the short length of the songs... |
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Name: Marty
Blaise From: Time: 2000-04-04 17:29:10 Comments: What mp3 player are people using to listen to those mp3 files (Louie, Louie, etc.)??? I can't get the files to play on Windows Media Player, or the other mp3 players I have. Any suggestions? How much larger would they be if they were wav files? Thanks. |
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Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 2000-04-04 17:46:22 Comments: Marty, re: I'm just using Apple's Quick Time Player (on a Mac). As for size - Louie Louie is 520k as an MP3. Converted to WAV it's 4.4 MB. |
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Name: Joe
Strigle From: Burbank Time: 2000-04-04 18:47:16 Comments: Regarding CCR ... didn't Stu Cook win all the bass parts in a lawsuit? ;) |
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Name: Bradley
Olson Website: Bradley Olson--A Person With Autism From: Bemidji, Minnesota Time: 2000-04-04 19:07:34 Comments: Tom Daly and I both use MusicMatch Jukebox at www.musicmatch.com |
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Name: beetlefan From: Time: 2000-04-04 19:39:36 Comments: I use Cool Edit 2000 for encoding and playback of mp3's. With it, I can encode and customize any quality level of mp3 I wish, even the current highest professional level. |
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Name: beetlefan From: Time: 2000-04-04 20:05:42 Comments: Oh yeah, Luke: "Louie Louie" is a synch-up. The polarity of the left channel was inverted, then the two were offset by a slight time delay. Not a bad job at all, but I could still tell it's a synch-up. "A Whiter Shade Of Pale" just plain sounded bad. Here's what I don't get, you'all don't like MONO, no one likes the dreaded reprocessed mono or "fake" stereo, but you'll go for fake stereo mp3's. Tsk, Tsk! Yeah, these may be fun, I even tried to do one of Wilson Pickett's 634-5789, and it sounded great, but I went back to the mono, because as bad as the mono on this song sounds, it was solid. I will say, that, even though the "Green Onions" sync-up wasn't the legit single, it did sound very solid. |
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Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 2000-04-04 21:28:59 Comments: Beetle, re: Well, for Louie Louie, what would the sources be? It sounds *way* too good to be a "fake-up" ala Green Onions. The electric piano never moves over to the left. And I'm not quite certain what you mean when you say the left channel was inverted - I know about inverting and phase cancelation, but what was done here? As for Whiter - I wonder if the bad sound is just because of the MP3 - if it's a sync-up of the mono mix with a stereo backing track, it's pretty good - the separation is there... |
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Name: Dave
Sampson From: Time: 2000-04-05 00:25:19 Comments: Could someone post the URL to the Stereo Green Onions Mp3? I've yet to find it anywhere. Thanks. |
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Name: Chuck
Iverson From: Sunnyvale, CA Time: 2000-04-05 01:14:24 Comments: Hello out there, favor to ask, will be traveling to Charleston ,So. Carolina, next week, any stores, I should hit in the area? Thanks in advance |
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Name: beetlefan From: Time: 2000-04-05 01:35:40 Comments: Luke, I think a lot depends on what kind of speakers or monitors you're using. I have my amp connected to my soundcard and monitor everything in the computer through my Polk 55 speakers, which are amazing clear and accurate for the price. Tomorrow, I will play around with the "Louie Louie" mp3 converted to a .wav file some more in Cool Edit Pro. Dave, go to the SDARS site. If you don't have it there, I, or i'm sure, Luke will send it to you. |
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Name: Bill
Buster Website: Eric Records From: Northern California Time: 2000-04-05 01:39:54 Comments: I'm pleased to announce on this Board for the first time the May 30 release of the next volume in the Eric "Hard To Find 45s on CD" series. All tracks will be in true stereo (except the 5 noted) from master tape sources except possibly one (we'll let you audiophiles guess which one after you've heard the CD if you can tell). There will be a 12-page booklet plus photos, etc. written by Rob Finnis of Ace's Golden Age of Rock and Roll fame. Tom Daly will be doing his usual excellent job of mastering. Many of you will note lots of hard to find stereo and even a few tracks making their CD debut. The CD will be available at all the usual places, on-line and off. About May 1 I'll put it on the Eric webpage and start to take advance orders. HARD-TO-FIND 45s ON CD--VOL. 5---SIXTIES POP CLASSICS (ERIC #11509) (All STEREO unless indicated) (Titles with ** have never been on a legitimate, non-mailorder U.S. CD before) CHART POS / ARTISTS & TITLE / ORIG. LABEL & NUMBER / DATE /COMMENTS 1. #1 (3 wks) Sonny & Cher - "I Got You Babe" (Atco 6359) [6/26/65] 1st Time STEREO! 2. #1 (1 wk.) Nino Tempo & April Stevens - "Deep Purple" (Atco 6273) [8/31/63] 3. #2 (3 wks) The Toys - "A Lover's Concerto" (DynoVoice 209) [8/28/65] Mono 4. #2 (1 wk.) R.B. Greaves - "Take a Letter, Maria" (Atco 6714) [10/4/69] 5. #3 (1 wk.) Connie Stevens - "Sixteen Reasons" (WB 5137) [1/18/60] 6. #4 (1 wk.) **Bill Cosby-"Little Ole' Man(Uptight-Everything's Alright)"(1967)(1st Time on CD!!) 7. #6 (1 wk.) Emilio Pericoli - "Al Di La" (WB 5259) [5/5/62] Mono (Rare on CD) 8. #7 (2 wks) Don Rondo - "White Silver Sands" (Jubilee 5288) [7/1/57] Mono(Rare on CD) 9. #7 (2 wks.) The Vogues - "Turn Around, Look At Me" (Reprise 0686) [6/1/68] 10. #7 (2 wks.) The Cookies - "Don't Say Nothin' Bad (About My Baby)" (Dim.1008)[2/16/63] Mono 11. #7 (1 wk.) Joanie Sommers - "Johnny Get Angry" (WB 5275) [5/12/62] 12. #7 (1 wk.) Bob Luman - "Let's Think About Living" (WB 5172) [8/22/60](Rare on CD) 13. #8 (1 wk.) The Everly Brothers - "Ebony Eyes" (WB 5199) [1/16/61](Rare in stereo on CD) 14. #14 (1 wk.) Carla Thomas - "B-A-B-Y" (Stax 195) [8/6/66] 1st Time STEREO! 15. #17 (2 wks) Rose Garden - "Next Plane to London" (Atco 6510) [10/7/67] 1st Time STEREO! 16. #17 (2 wks)The Marketts - "Batman Theme" (WB 5696) [1/22/66] (Rare on CD) 17. #22 (1 wk.) Shelby Flint - "Angel On My Shoulder"(Valiant 6001)(1960)Mono(Rare on CD) 18. #31 (1 wk.) **Tab Hunter-"(I'll Be with You in)Apple Blossom Time"(WB)(1959)(1st Time on CD) 19. #54 (1 wk.) **Joanie Sommers - "One Boy" (WB 5157) [6/20/60] (1st Time on CD!!) 20. (uncharted)**Kenny Vance-"Looking For An Echo"(Atl. 3259)[9/22/75] (1st Time on CD!!)
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Name: beetle From: Time: 2000-04-05 01:51:36 Comments: Yes! I want this CD! |
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Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 2000-04-05 02:26:13 Comments: Bill, re: Well, I'd guess BABY was taken from disc - that is unless Tom got in Atlantic's vaults and finally found the stereo master. Hopefully it will sound better than past disc dubs I've heard. As for first time stereo - obviously BABY has been in stereo on LP (original album, and Atlantic "Super Hits" LP), and if I'm not mistaken, I Got You Babe has even been in stereo on CD before. |
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Name: Marty
Wekser From: Los Angeles Time: 2000-04-05 03:18:24 Comments: The new Eric CD sounds like a real winner. Will it be available in a "lightly processed" version in addition to the heavy-handed SDARS-o-fied version? |
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Name: Steve
Baird From: B. R., LA 70810 Time: 2000-04-05 09:03:27 Comments: Bad news for Bachelors fans: I just received my copy of the Decca import CD that was discussed here just a few weeks ago. Wellm the disappointing thing about this set is that I BELIEVE is in MONO on this 2-CD set, while it is available in Stereo on *Charmaine* from Wise Buys, & the now OOP World of the Bachelors. I think someone may have inaccurately reported on this set regarding S vs M content. |
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Name: S.
Baird From: 70810 Time: 2000-04-05 09:18:03 Comments: To Bill Buster & Tom Daly: Congrats on the lineup for your new CD. I'm glad to see at least one of the selections on it might have been included as a result of my rants. BUT, why is there no *My Boyfriend's Back* on the CD? I was hoping to have an even 20 copies of the song -- My 19th will be had with the new Bartley CD. Inquring minds want to know. |
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Name: Tom Daly Website: Skyline Mastering From: Metro Boston Time: 2000-04-05 09:41:43 Comments: To Luke Pacholski: We did locate a source tape for "B-A-B-Y" in stereo, as well as nice stereo source tapes for "I Got You, Babe" and "Next Plane to London." To Marty Wekser: Whatever noise processing will be used on the new ERIC release, it will be done with new algorithms that have recently been incorporated into our mastering process. The process used in 1999 has been scrapped in favor of newer, more efficient and less detectable processes. Many of the tracks came from source tapes that required no processing at all. Others required a little, and a few required several stages. Oldies audiophiles can be assured that we are doing everything we can to provide the best possible sound reproduction with a minimum of processing. |
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Name: Marty
Blaise From: Time: 2000-04-05 09:52:33 Comments: Well, I found my problem on those stereo mp3 files. I noticed in Windows Explorer that they showed up as 3 kb each. That would be a pretty short song! Looks like I had some download problems. Thanks for the great suggestions on the mp3 players. Great to hear these things in stereo, no matter what version they might be! |
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Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 2000-04-05 12:56:38 Comments: Tom, re: Nice to hear you found a tape source. Where did that one come from? The "Super Hits" compilation master? Marty, re: it sounds like you may have been doing a "Save Link As" rather than just clicking on the link on the page. The links don't go directly to the MP3 files - they bring you to a page that lets you download the file (and shows you ads at the same time). I'd guess the HTML code for those pages is around 3k, hence the file size... |
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Name: Mike
Arcidiacono From: Time: 2000-04-05 13:14:24 Comments: Re: new stereo. First off, yes, "Sukiyaki" IS authentic. I did a straight A/B comparison and, The backing track is one and the same as the 45. Its just SO clean that the strings (which fall into the "highs" range) are more evident. Follow the drummer and its the same playing exactly. This one really sounds great!! As for Louie Louie, yes it Is a sync up. Tom Moulton had only stage tapes to work with, as they apparantly added the organ on an overdub. Tom did an AMAZING job on this, the stereo version sounds JUST like the 45, with all the little things we remember. My hats off to Tom on this one. I never really liked "Angel baby" anyway, tho!! that out of tune Sax solo goes thru my brain every time I hear it!! Mikey |
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Name: Chuck
Iverson From: Sunnyvale, Ca Time: 2000-04-05 13:25:54 Comments: RE: Angel Baby, according to "Rosie" the song was done in one take, in an old Navy hanger, near San Diego. So treasure that wonderful sax riff, wouldn't be the same song without it! God knows what they recorded on "multi", doubt it, how about it Tom?? |
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Name: Randy
Price Website: Referred by: NewsGroups From: New York Time: 2000-04-05 14:51:57 Comments: Steve, if you go back to what is currently Record #5, you'll see that I stated that "I Believe" was mono on the Bachelors' Decca Years CD (and IIRC Mikey stated the same at around the same time). |
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Name: beetle From: Time: 2000-04-05 17:08:29 Comments: Alright! I grew up with B-A-B-Y in stereo! (Surprised?) |
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Name: Christopher
Kissel From: Long Island, NY Time: 2000-04-05 18:11:29 Comments: I read with interest Beetlefan's "explanation" of how "Louie Louie" was mixed to stereo. As Luke Pacholski conceded, the electric piano is on the right, the vocal is centered, and the drums and cymbals are on the left. If Beetlefan has stumbled upon such a simple process to separate vocal and instrumental elements from a mono mix then we must all celebrate! Although Beetlefan does not like the stereo mix of "Louie Louie" it appears that the overwhelming majority of the rest of us who happen to love and prefer stereo are thrilled with it! Since there are literally thousands of mono songs sitting in the vaults for which no multitracks or stages exist I hope that Beetlefan will use his technique to finally mix them to stereo for the rest of us. I am looking forward to hearing samples of other songs where Beetlfan has used the technique that he described. Hopefully they will be posted soon! Perhaps we'll hear samples of some of Beetlefan's mixes using his technique on the Stereofiles site in the near future! |
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