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Name: Paul Stoddard From: Boston, MA Time: 1997-12-01 19:00:00 Comments: The most well-informed stereo collectors on the Internet are participants in this conference. How would you feel about preparing a list of those stereo oldies that have not surfaced yet and presenting it to the major reissue labels for consideration? I'd be glad to tabulate such a list. This was a project that I attempted once before in a news group, but the group got fragmented and the new groups were not available to everyone, so the plan died. What were suggested for criteria at that time were: the songs had to have made the national charts (this satisfies the manufacturer's requirement that the packages contain recognizable material for marketability); the songs are known to have been recorded in multi-track mode (this cuts down on the number of wild goose chase vault searches for non-existant masters); and the songs are not known to be unavailable for licensing (this eliminates fruitless attempts to get the Dave Clark 5, the Beatles, Abkco, and Spector catalogs). Comments? |
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Name: Mike Arcidiacono From: Actionland Time: 1997-12-02 00:27:00 Comments: I think Paul's idea is a great one. I'll start the ball rolling --- I'd love to hear the following in true stereo: "The Rythm of The Rain" - Cascades "Keep On Dancing" - Gentrys "Set Me Free" - Kinks "Navy Blue" - Diane Renay "The Mighty Quinn" - Manfred Man "Tonight I Fell In Love" - Tokens "Wipe Out" - Surfaris Well, it's a start. I'm sure the rest of you guys have hundreds of your own. I'd like to see your lists, as well. Paul, great idea!! ... PS... Collectables to issue The Diane Renay Navy Blue LP. The album was in mish mosh of stereo, mono and rechanneled crap. I'm anxious to see what tapes Collectables got from Polygram(they now own 20th Century Fox records). |
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Name: roger
ledoux From: pawtucket rhode island Time: 1997-12-02 18:23:00 Comments: Hi. I'd like to put my two cents in on what I'd like to see in stereo, like "Where Or When" by Dion and the Belmonts, "A Lover's Question" by Clyde McPhatter, "Lonely One" by Duane Eddy, "What Am I Living For" by Chuck Willis, and the rest of the Paul Anka late fifties recordings like "Lonely Boy," "It's Time to Cry," and "Something Happened." |
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Name: Marty
Blaise Website: The Blaise Page From: Stereoville, Earth Time: 1997-12-02 18:39:00 Comments: The song I would like to hear in stereo is "Go Now," by the Moody Blues. I heard it the other day on the radio and wonder what kind of equipment was used to record it. It sounds like the vocal microphone is way too hot or something. To me, the vocal sounds distorted or out of phase or just not right. Anyone know anything about this? Were the other songs on the Go Now album just as bad in sound quality? ... Wishing everyone a great holiday season! [ -- The closest I've heard to "Go Now" in stereo was the version that Denny Laine did with Wings on their live album: it was really good. -- MC] |
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Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 1997-12-02 20:30:00 Comments: As for my stereo request - as a Who fan, all material that Shel Talmy produced. Everything was recorded on 3 or 4 track tapes, which are still in good shape - that's not the problem. The problem is Talmy and MCA/Polydor cannot agree on terms to use the tapes. Due to a lawsuit back in 1966, MCA and Polydor are still using something like 3rd generation mono copy tapes for everthing - just imagine "My Generation" or "I Can't Explain" in glorious true stereo... |
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Name: Steve Massie From: Franklin, Tn. Time: 1997-12-03 04:16:00 Comments: Comments on stereo wish lists: "A Lover's Question" and "Hang Up My Rock and Roll Shoes" are both on CD in original stereo. The Paul Anka tracks "It's Time To Cry" and "Lonely Boy" were both stereo 45's. But "It's Time To Cry" is missing the echo on his vocal track. I do have "Something Happened" in stereo on a Japanese Paul Anka CD.... BTW, the Diane Renay CD is all mono, mostly from some kind of tapes. And there is a stereo version of "Tonight I Fell In Love" but it's just an add-on instrumental track to create the stereo effect. |
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Name: Bill
Buster From: ERIC Records, Calif. Time: 1997-12-03 09:23:00 Comments: As a professional CD compiler and owner of Eric Records (Hard-to-Find 45s on CD, Vols. 1 & 2), I'd like to comment on Paul Stoddard's proposal (12/1). When I first read his idea, I thought it might be a great idea for "well-informed stereo collectors" to make suggestions about tracks they'd like to see in stereo. And I agree completely with the criteria he suggests (nationally recognized chart hits) because, after all, like it or not, if a CD doesn't sell a minimum of 10,000 copies it's not a feasible project businesswise. But as the responses and suggestions started coming in, it was clear to me that almost all the titles put forward were just "wishes." Most of these songs were not recorded in stereo and there are no multi-tracks to remix. If a song has NEVER been heard in stereo, it's a good bet it doesn't exist that way. Further, there is an important cost consideration: the time and cost to locate the multi-tracks for those that do exist and then the studio cost to actually remix them. This may be feasible for a single artist where all the tapes are owned by a single corporation and can be remixed at one time in one place. But to do this for tapes owned (possibly) by four or five of the big multi-national record companies (plus independents) would be very expensive, probably as much as $500 per title. Just to break even such a CD would have to sell much more than 10,000 copies and this is not likely, unless most of the tracks were big, national hits, much sought after by many collectors AS WELL AS YOUR AVERAGE LISTENER. Remember that much as we collectors like to think we're a big group, my guess is a CD tailored mainly to the collectors market would usually sell less than 10,000 units. So to sum up, I would like to encourage all of you to make suggestions for unreleased or hard-to-find songs in stereo, but keep it realistic. It costs money to get master owners to locate multi-tracks (IF they exist) and remix them and in the real world there has to be a payoff for the effort. Please feel free to comment here or on the rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s and 1960s newsgroups. Or send me e-mail at cabuster@slip.net. [ -- I agree that most of the titles listed so far are just wishes, but some of the titles listed bring up another problem. Back in the late 1980s, just about every CD ever pressed was still in print. Not so any more. Things that have showed up on this CD or that in some other country or some obscure label might just as well have not been issued as far as most buyers are concerned. Example: Cannibal & The Headhunters' "Land of 1000 Dances" was true stereo on a CD back in the '80s, but it's been reissued on CD in mono about a dozen or more times since then. Can anyone go out and buy the CD with the stereo? I suspect not. The Paul Anka titles are like that, also. Maybe it would be a good idea just to reissue some of the things that HAVE been in stereo on CD, but are no longer available or were on hard-to-find labels (for example, not everyone can easily find the way to buy old Time-Life CDs, where things like "A Lover's Question" were in stereo). Just another thought. -- MC] |
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Name: John
Sellards Website: VanMeter Recordings From: Beckley, WV Time: 1997-12-03 13:15:00 Comments: Regarding Eric Records' comments below, and as the president of a (much smaller) label myself, I agree completely. There is too much diversity in taste within the collector market for it to be worth a label's time and money to remix something that hit #30, unless it is in conjunction with other tracks by the same reasonably well-known artist. And the comments below about feasibility are very, very true - 10,000 units on one title is generally not possible only within the collector market and the title MUST have some appeal to the general public. |
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Name: Marty
Blaise Time: 1997-12-03 16:59:00 Comments: Just a thought about the stereo wish list CD topic - would a CD sell better if both versions of recordings were put on the CD - the true stereo AND the mono - to let the listener decide which version they like best? For instance, the first four British Beatles CDs with both wide true stereo with the instruments/vocal split and the mono mixes. Would they both fit on the same CD? Then, again, would the "average listener" care about this? Just some random thoughts. |
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Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 1997-12-03 19:18:00 Comments: I'd like to make a comment on Bill's post. He states that if a track has never been issued in stereo, it was probably not recorded that way. I'd like to show some examples of where songs are known to have been recorded on multitrack, but have not been released in stereo: The Who - My Generation LP (and singles); The Rolling Stones - much of their early material; The Who - many middle period singles, such as "Happy Jack" and "Pictures of Lily." ... In addition, many songs have just turned up in stereo recently, such as "Mr Tambourine Man" by The Byrds, among others.... I am sure I am missing tons of stuff, but you get the point... |
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Name: Charles
G. Hill Website: Chez Chaz From: Dustbury, Oklahoma Time: 1997-12-04 02:45:00 Comments: Beatles For Sale, the longest-playing of the first four Beatles CDs, runs 34:15; doubling this would still be way under the maximum playing time for a CD. On the other hand, how likely are the Apple Corpsmen or Sir George Martin to go along with such a plan? To maximize the take, they should issue the mono/stereo combos and simultaneously withdraw the mono-only issues - but then, what's going to stop one of us from complaining about not being able to get, say, Sgt. Pepper's... in mono? ... On the larger question of ransacking the vaults, I suspect we'll get better results from the smaller labels than from the Big Six themselves, but, as the industry reps continue to point out, they can't issue stuff if not enough people are going to buy. And while there are some things I'll drop everything to go get - won't *somebody* please dig up Raymond Lefevre's "Soul Coaxing" stateside? - I really don't want to get too hopeful these days. |
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Name: Marty
Natchez Time: 1997-12-04 03:22:00 Comments: Either the golden age of stereo on CD is coming to an end, or the continuing trend toward "classic mono" is just an excuse for labels to invest less cost and less commitment in digital reissues. Consider when Eric Records took the lead in releasing many unobtainable stereo masters of Top 40 hits in its vinyl heydey; collectors took notice. But what can be said about the company's inclusion of Joe Dowell's "Little Red Rented Rowboat" on its Hard to Find 45s CD series? Sure, it's a clean mono master, but what if just that one song had been specifically remixed in stereo for that package? Wouldn't that have been worth the expense to spur a few thousand more sales? Bill Buster's concern with the bottom line is strangely lacking the aggressive marketing savvy he applied to push his records. In the meantime, a Joe Dowell multi-track gathers dust somewhere in Jersey. One answer? Perhaps licensing less tracks, in favor of satisfying stereo collectors with an irresistable reason to purchase a reissue. (But don't burn us with misprinted stereo designations like Diane Renay's "Navy Blue" on a recent Relix CD compilation that was mono and gave no other reason to buy the same PolyGram hits over again.) Collectors are not stupid. We reluctantly understand that Rhino's about-face from stereo is only justified by the fact that AM radio once dictated what consumers bought.... On the other hand, Taragon is getting shouts of praise, because it believes stereo is not a crime. Enough with excuses. Labels, please put out those stereo rarities -- one by one, if necessary -- but recognize what caters to collectors before you lose sight of all our expectations. |
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Name: Mike Arcidiacono From: NYC Time: 1997-12-04 03:26:00 Comments: Comments on Bill's post---I respect Bill's opinions and value his thoughts, but I respectfully have to disagree with his statement about tracks never heard in stereo probably not being recorded that way. Since the advent of high quality CD reissues, we have been treated to many, many songs in true stereo that everybody always thought were recorded in one track mono. The reality was that these songs were recorded in two or three tracks, then mixed down to mono for single release. There may have been many reasons why these songs were never mixed to stereo, such as: 1) The producers felt that the mono mix was killer, so they saw no reason to do another one; 2) Record company executives who wanted to get an LP out as cheaply as possible and didn't want to spend any extra money remixing a track that already had been mixed; 3) Cases where there WAS no LP!! No reason to mix to stereo, since a 45 was all that was being manufactured. ... Case in point...I remember aurguing with a well known oldies reissue producer about the Belmonts 45 releases. He swore that they were done live to mono, and that no true stereo ever existed. Well, lo and behold, here comes "Tell Me Why" "Come On Little Angel" and "I Need Someone" on CD in beautiful stereo. Think of the '60s stuff that has never been in stereo:"Keep On Dancing", "Navy Blue", "I'm Henry VIII I Am," etc.... Do you really think these were recorded in professional studios in MONO? Food for stereo thought!! -- Mikey |
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Name: Marty
Blaise From: Solar System Time: 1997-12-04 17:09:00 Comments: I'd like to respond to Charles' post below -- it has me to thinking about the possibility of Beatles mono/stereo "combo" CD issues. First of all, remember that most of those early songs were rarely more than just over two minutes long, so there would be lots of room on the CD. Second, I wonder how many people realize that just about everything the Beatles recorded from the Please Please Me album through the White Album, was mixed DIFFERENTLY for mono and for stereo release (if you want to know all the details, mixes, takes, and all, I recommend Lewisohn's book about the Beatles Recordings sessions). You can hear many overdubs, nuisances, missing or added harmonica, special effects, longer fades, etc. etc. when you compare the mono versus the stereo of the Beatles. I would tend to the think Beatles products would sell - an example is the poor quality recording of the Hollywood Bowl album - yet it sold millions. I think the opportunity to do mono/stereo "combos" on the Beatles would be great. I'd like to hear what others think. By the way, I saw somewhere on the internet about a full version of "I Am The Walrus" - the complete song in true stereo. Anyone know anything on this? Thanks. |
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Name: roger
ledoux Time: 1997-12-04 18:11:00 Comments: Hi mike, I'd like to know what Time-Life CD is "A Lover's Question" on? I have the Rock 'n' Roll Era CDs and on that, "A Lover's Question" is in mono. Also, what CD is "What Am I Living For" on? Thanks for any help. |
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Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 1997-12-04 19:06:00 Comments: A few comments: Beatles - the last I checked, every LP through 'Sgt Pepper' could be fit on CD in both mono and stereo versions. This idea was actually brought to George Martin in 1987, but nothing was done at the time (and it was after the first 4 CDs came out). Stones - FWIW, Allen Klein is still alive and kicking - according to a recent Rolling Stone article, a new band used a sample of 'The Last Time' in their song, so they had to sign over all royalties to ABKCO. "It's my job to protect [Mick and Keith's] interests," says Allen... Then why not remaster the catalog and bring in some more $$$? |
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Name: Michael R. Fiedler From: Minneapolis, MN Time: 1997-12-04 19:23:00 Comments: Found a cool web site to share with people last week. Mike Rabon of the 5 Americans has set up a site with a lot of neat features, including sound samples at: www2.1starnet.com/west5am/1.jpg e-mail can be sent to him at: west5am@stargate.1starnet.com |
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Name: Mike Arcidiacono From: NYC Time: 1997-12-04 20:11:00 Comments: Marty: regarding the full version, true stereo "I Am The Walrus": This track is an "Outfake". It was constructed by the bootleggers by using the mono "I Am The Walrus" on the left channel, and synching it with an alternate take on the right channel. It is not a "real" version, as you can see. It appears on the Beatles Bootleg Something Extra, which also has the outfake stereo "She Loves You", which is VERY interesting. They screwed up the ending, without that it was almost perfect. They used the backing track from the German version of "SLY" synched with the English 45 version. It's intereting, but the quality is crummy....with today's digital recording, I'm quite sure someone can do a better job!! Hope this helps...Mikey |
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Name: Bob Olivia From: Burbank, California Time: 1997-12-05 08:52:00 Comments: To Roger Ledoux; "A Lovers Question" is in stereo on Time Life's Rhythm and Blues Series - 1958; I have that one. "What am I Living For" and "Rock and Roll Shoes" were in Stereo on an Atlantic Greatest Hits series years ago; haven't seen them on CD yet. Rhino's R&B 1959 has "Lonely Teardrops;" "Poison Ivy;" and "I Cried a Tear" in true stereo. Good luck finding that one. Do you know what CD has "Lonely Boy" and "It's Time to Cry" by Paul Anka in stereo? |
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Name: Tom Daly Website: Skyline From: Malden, MA. Time: 1997-12-05 12:17:00 Comments: OK, I know this may sound ridiculous to some, but how about if someone issues a disc of "remastered stereo from vinyl?" The following appeared in stereo on LPs, yet never appeared on CD in stereo, or else if they were in stereo, it wasn't wide, like the vinyl: "B-A-B-Y" - Carla Thomas; "Bottle of Wine" - The Fireballs; "Cinnamon Girl" - The Gentrys; "Kentucky Woman" - Neil Diamond; "Proud Mary" & "Bad Moon Rising" - Creedence; "I Knew You When" - Billy Joe Royal; "Kiss Me Sailor" - Diane Renay.... I think it's important to understand why some things are not stereo. There's obviously the economic factor; labels aren't likely to spend cash to remix to stereo if they can continue to sell the mono to the masses; collectors only constitute 20% of the market, or less, so unless the revenue potential is there, don't count on it. Look how long it took RCA to provide Sam Cooke in stereo. The tapes sat in the vaults for twenty years before they were ever issued in stereo, even though The Best of Sam Cooke's jacket said "Living Stereo" at the top of it's yellow cover. Columbia took equally as long to provide the Terry Melcher productions in stereo (Byrds, Raiders). The hits were mixed for the 45s, then rechannelled for the LPs. What it all boils down to is the economics of being able to recoup the cost of remixing, then making a profit. Like it or not, money is the name of the game; integrity is not.... Having access to a full production studio, I propose to any major label that I will remix anything to stereo they wish to send to me. I'll mix ADD, and without expense to the label. The only requirement is that they provide me with a first generation dub of the session tape. I don't expect them to send the session tapes themselves, as there is too much risk involved, but a first generation dub with dbx (preferred) or Dolby A would be sufficient. Now, let's see if there are any takers.... A few posts back, it was suggested to remix "Wipe Out." There may not be a multitrack on that, since it was originally issued only on 45rpm on an independent label before Dot picked it up for national release. The same is true with "Incense and Peppermints," "Rhythm of The Rain," and several others.... Comments are welcome and appreciated. -- Tom |
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Name: Joey
Vine Website: Time: 1997-12-05 16:39:00 Comments: Compilation Produced by Jerry Schollenberger; Track Annotation by Harry Young Impact Records 17111 Third Ave, Detroit, Mich 48203 President: Harry Balk Pop A&R: John Rhys Eddins R&B A&R: Barney (Duke) Browner 1. The Human Beings - "An Inside Look" Copyright: Oct 20, 1965; Writers: (Ted Licavoli-John Ruff) Released: Impact 1001, October 1965 Produced by John Brooks 2. The Human Beings - "I Can't Tell" Oct 20, 1965; (Ted Licavoli) Impact 1001, October 1965 Produced by John Brooks 3. Mickey Denton - "Mio Amore" Jun 2, 1960; (Jacob Carey-Ezekiel Carey-Nathanial Nelson-Terry Johnson-Charles Hunt-Paul Wilson) Impact 1002, November 1965 Mickey Denton - "Donšt Throw My Toys Away"/"One More Time" World Artists 1043 (February 1965) Billboard Oct 30, 1965: Lou Guarino forms AMM; Harry Balk is head of A&R; Mickey Denton & Patti Jerome are exclusive AMM artists. (No AMM releases by Mickey or Patti.) AMM 002: Billboard Jan 15, 1966. See Record World Feb 19, 1966. 4. The Boss Five - "Please, Mr. President" Oct 28, 1965; (Patti Jerome-Richard D. Goodman) Impact 1003, December 1965 A Pat Ric Production 5. The Boss Five - "You Cheat Too Much" Mar 17, 1966; (D. DeIorio) Impact 1003, December 1965 A Pat Ric Production Impact 1005 Kaddo Strings Billboard Jan 8, 1966 6. The Human Beings - You're Bad News" Mar 10, 1965; (Paul Wolfe-Dick Glass) Impact 1006, February 1966 Produced by John Rhys Eddins 7. The Human Beings - "Ling Ting Tong" Dec 11, 1954; (Mable Godwin) Impact 1006, February 1966 Produced by John Rhys Eddins 8. Shades Of Blue - "Oh How Happy" Dec 13, 1965; (Edwin Starr) Impact 1007, March 1966 Produced by John Rhys Eddins Arranged by Mike Theodore Cash Box #13; Cash Box R&B #7 9. The Classmen - "Everything Is Alright" (R. Clark) Impact 1012, July 1966 Produced by John Rhys Eddins 10. The Classmen - "Susie Jones" (John Rhys) Impact 1012, July 1966 Produced by John Rhys Eddins Billboard review Aug 13, 1966 11. Shades Of Blue - "Lonely Summer" July 1, 1966; (Edwin Starr) Impact 1014, July 1966 Produced by John Rhys Eddins A Harry Balk Enterprise Cash Box #74; Cash Box R&B #50 12. The Sheppards - "Poor Man's Thing" Aug 4, 1966; (M. Ryan) Impact 1018, August 1966 Produced by D. Allen Delta Productions 13. The Inner Circle - "Sally Go 'Round The Roses" (Zell Sanders-Lana Stevens) Impact 1019, November 1966 Produced by Robert Kreiner, Mike Theodore & Dennis Coffey Tera Shirma Production 14. The Inner Circle - "Sugar" Dec 2, 1966; (Dennis Coffey-Mike Theodore-Robert Kreiner) Impact 1019, November 1966 Produced by Dennis Coffey & Mike Theodore Tera Shirma Production Tera Shirma Productions 15305 Livernois, Detroit, Mich 48238 President: Ralph R. Terrana 15. Sincerely Yours - "Shady Lane" Dec 15, 1966; (Rick Stahl) Impact 1020, December 1966 Produced by John Rhys Eddins Arranged by Mike Theodore 16. Sincerely Yours - "Little Girl" Dec 15, 1966; (Erik Dahlgren) Impact 1020, December 1966 Produced by John Rhys Eddins Arranged by Mike Theodore 17. The Lollipops - "Loving Good Feeling" Oct 3, 1966; (Duke Browner) Impact 1021, December 1966 18. The Lollipops - "Step Aside Baby" Oct 3, 1966; (Arenita Walker) Impact 1021, December 1966 19. The Human Beings - "Yes Sir, That's My Baby" 1925; (Gus Kahn-Walter Donaldson) Impact 1022, January 1967 Produced by John Brooks 20. The Sixpence - "You're The Love" Jan 30, 1967; (Robert Ross) Impact 1025, February 1967 Produced by John Rhys Eddins Billboard review Feb 25, 1967 21. The Sixpence - "What To Do" Jan 30, 1967; (Robert Ross) Impact 1025, February 1967 Produced by John Rhys Eddins 22. Shades Of Blue - "How Do You Save A Dying Love" Dec 12, 1966; (Edwin Starr) Impact 1026, March 1967 Produced by John Rhys Eddins Arranged by Mike Theodore & Dennis Coffey Impact 1027 Patti & Mickey Billboard Apr 8, 1967 Impact 1005 Kaddo Strings Billboard Apr 22, 1967 23. Shades Of Blue - "Penny Arcade" Apr 20, 1967; (Ed Hillert) Impact 1028, June 1967 Produced by John Rhys Eddins Billboard review July 8, 1967 24. The Wheels - "Dancing In The Streets" (W. Stevenson-M. Gaye-I. Hunter) Impact 1029, June 1967 Produced by Harry Balk Billboard review Jun 17, 1967 Mitch Ryder's solo debut "Joy" NV 824, Billboard review Jun 24, 1967 25. Rod Riguez - "I'll Slip Away" Apr 20, 1967; (Sixto D. Rodriguez) Impact 1031, August 1967 [ -- Interesting research, but it would have been nice if before you put this all on the chat board, you told us what it was about...?? -- MC] |
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Name: Mark Mathews From: Long Island, New York Time: 1997-12-06 15:24:00 Comments: Hello All! I'm new to this. I wanted to respond to multiple inquiries on "What Am I Living For"/"Hang Up My Rock'N'Roll Shoes" by Chuck Willis -- They are both stereo on Stroll On: The Chuck Willis Collection on Razor&Tie RE-2055. Happy listening. - MDM |
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Name: Walter
Miller Website: record shop From: Roanoke VA Time: 1997-12-07 20:09:00 Comments: I run a small oldies record/CD shop in Roanoke, VA. I am always seeking titles by artists and groups from the '50s '60s and '70s. In most cases I rely on the Both Sides Now Newsletter and the All Music Guide to help me insure I find the best possible selections. I've noticed many import labels that seem to have the titles I'm looking for, but it seems to be a gamble on whether or not to purchase these. A few times I've been burned on remakes, or a whopping total of 8 tracks. This is what I don't want. Anyone know of a way to get information on these labels beforehand? I've had great success with the Disky labels out of Europe. I've seen some titles, especially by Annette on a label out of Belgium. Idenfified only as# MGL 71. Would really like to add Annette to my inventory, but would appreciate some opinion from you all. If I can help you find any titles just drop me a line. We find something old everyday. Thanks -- Walter Miller [ -- MGL is the Marginal label. Usually, they have the original material, but it's from records, often with very poor sound quality. It's NOTHING like the sound quality that came out on the Annette box set.... If you want to know the sound quality of a CD, or whether the songs are the right versions, this is the place to be. I'm sure if you post something here, you'll get an answer from someone within a few days. These people really know their stuff! -- MC] |
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Name: Paul Bigelow Time: 1997-12-08 13:49:00 Comments: In the Christmas spirit? Looking for the soundtrack to the TV show Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer that was on TV last week (the Videocraft TV Musical Spectacular)? The soundtrack, or at least lots of it, is available on MCA Special Products MCAD-22177. Most songs are stereo except "Jingle, Jingle, Jingle", and "We're a Couple Of Misfits". Rather odd about those songs. The instrumental backing track starts in stereo right up to the point where the vocals begin. Then the song collapses into mono. I do not have the original soundtrack on LP (I think it was on Dot) to compare. In my opinion, the best version of Burl Ives' "A Holly Jolly Christmas" is on that soundtrack. Additionally there are some instrumental versions of the special's songs (not soundtrack recordings) to flesh out the CD, all in stereo (of course!). P.S. IT WAS CHEAP (about six dollars!) |
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Name: Tony Waitekus Website: All Hit 98-9 WHTS From: Davenport, IA Time: 1997-12-08 14:36:00 Comments: I just got the new Huey "Piano" Smith CD from Westside. Most of the cuts are the cleanest I've ever heard. Two, however, are very muddy: "Havin' a Good Time", and "We Like Birdland". Those same cuts on my old ACE(UK) LPs dubed from records sound better. "Popeye" is an alternate take. There may be another alternate take or too, but generally the disc sounds pretty good. "Rockin' Behind the Iron Curtain" is not on the disc. |
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Name: Bob Fink From: CONN. Time: 1997-12-08 23:32:00 Comments: Hey Gang! I made an interesting discovery recently re: Cameo-Parkway. While cruisin' through and playin' my vinyl I came across Top Teen Dances (Cameo) and Top Teen Hits (Wyncote). Each of these have different versions of "Dance the Mess Around" by Chubby Checker! Both albums are mono. Sounds to me like they were recorded at the same sessions, but the overall tracks are different, as are the vocals. Does anyone know of other C/P tracks that exist in release in more than one version? This would be an interesting addition to Mike's discography page. Also Re: my previous notes about the "Hit Records" label: Tony Waitekus posted on 11/27 about an L.P. on Hit, so I can only presume that others may exist. Let's have matrix/release numbers so that we may be able to start a discography for this page! Start diggin' and happy hunting! Thanks. Bub. |
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Name: Mark Mathews From: NY Time: 1997-12-09 04:27:00 Comments: Oh, thank you for adding that comment Mike, I was so confused. I thought I wasn't in on something that told everyone what all that Impact recording info was there for. Some kind of discography for some reason? I still don't get it. - MDM [ -- It may be a new CD that's coming out, but if so, it'd be nice to know the title, label, etc. on the CD. So much trouble was taken on the other info sent, you'd think they'd get the most basic info into the note, also. Whatever. -- MC] |
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Name: Marty
Natchez Time: 1997-12-09 20:30:00 Comments: I remember feeling really snowed, after buying the budget LP Golden Hits By Original Artists (Wyncote W/SW 9012) in the early '60s. On that compilation of hits by various Camero/Parkway artists was a recording of "Ding-A-Ling" by Bobby Rydell that was a "gentler" and totally different recording than the rockin' B-side of the "Swingin' School" single. Years ago, I had the opportunity to ask Rydell about the track, and he couldn't recall anything. He asked me to send him a copy, which I did. Of course, since this alternate version has never appeared elsewhere, I no longer have bad feelings about my original purchase. By the way, was Wyncote's stereo reissue of Monster Mash by John Zacherle (SW9050) in true stereo? Although the Parkway album (P7018) was only issued in mono, rumors have persisted that Igor was a also a stereophile, and that's why the Wyncote stereo LP is so high priced today. True or false? |
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Name: Tony Waitekus Website: All Hit 98-9 WHTS From: Davenport, IA Time: 1997-12-09 22:20:00 Comments: Regarding Cameo/Parkway different versions... My Cameo 45 of Chubby Checker's "Birdland" is a live version. However the version of "Birdland" on the ABKCO Greatest Hits LP with the yellow cab on the cover is a studio version. Apparently, the live version was the hit, although personally I like the studio version, which sounds more typical of Cameo/Parkway productions. |
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Name: Walter
Miller Website: record shop From: Roanoke VA Time: 1997-12-10 00:29:00 Comments: Anyone have any comments or opinions on the new CEMA series Lost in the ____? The '60s decade (CSP19552) has some neat material: "Look for a Star" - Garry Miles; "Haunted House" - Gene Simmons; "Close to Cathy" - Mike Clifford; "Downtown" - Mrs Miller. [ -- This series was put out by Bob Hyde, and is an excellent collection of hard to find, oddball, hits. There is a new stereo song or two, but mostly, if it wasn't stereo before, it isn't here, either. -- MC] |
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Name: Marty
Natchez Time: 1997-12-10 00:37:00 Comments: Two different recordings of "Birdland" by Chubby Checker were released on Parkway. The song first appeared as "We Like Birdland" (the original Huey "Piano" Smith title) on the 1961 It's Pony Time LP (Parkway P-7003). The hit version that came out on the 1963 single (Parkway 873 b/w "Black Cloud") was an almost identical re-recording of the song as "Birdland." But a live version on a Cameo 45? Where did that come from? Checker's only live album, Chuby Checker In Person (Parkway P-7026) did not include such an appearance. |
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Name: Tony Waitekus Time: 1997-12-10 14:40:00 Comments: RE: "Birdland" - Chubby Checker. After listening again, perhaps my Cameo single of "Birdland" is not live, but has the feel of Chubby's Surf Party disc. The ABKCO LP version sounds like a typical C/P studio production. In any case, the two versions are VERY different from each other. |
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Name: roger
ledoux Time: 1997-12-10 15:36:00 Comments: Hi Mike, just a line to let you know about a great Duane Eddy CD I've just picked up on Bear Family BCD 15702. It's called That Classic Twang, with some great stereo like "Three Thirty Blues," "Peter Gunn Theme," "The Quiet Three," "Some Kinda Earthquake," "Bonnie Came Back," "First Love First Tears," and "Because They're Young." I also got ahold of Teenage Crush on Ace CDCHD 640, with "You Don't Know What You've Got" by Ral Donner in stereo and "Chances Are" by Johnny Mathis in stereo, and the Collector's Choice CD Teen Idols for a Moment (MCA Special Markets MSD 35800) with "That Stranger Used to Be My Girl" by Trade Martin in stereo, as well as "Doll House" by Donny Brooks and "Cindy's Birthday" by Johnny Crawford in stereo. |
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Name: Charles
G. Hill Website: Chez Chaz From: Dustbury, Oklahoma Time: 1997-12-11 04:21:00 Comments: More Instrumental Gems of the '60s has arrived from Collectors' Choice, and I do have to echo one of the criticisms I have seen in the Newsletter and heard among friends -- "Mais Que Nada" is no more an instrumental than "Sukiyaki", fercryingoutloud. I suppose that part of getting the Polygram organization to press the discs was licensing the maximum number of Polygram-owned titles, which would explain the preponderance of A&M tracks, but I really don't think it was necessary to go after any of Herb Alpert's Tijuana Brass material, especially if the inevitable last-minute substitution turns out to be horribly inappropriate. How could you, or I, or even the estimable Bob Hyde, pick any one TJB record as typical? On the other hand, I was delighted to find the Billy Strange version of the theme from "The Munsters"; despite its lowly B-side status, it was one of the best cuts off Strange's "Goldfinger" LP (GNP Crescendo 2006). Someday, somebody ought to do a Billy Strange compilation. |
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Name: Joel
Goldenberg From: Montreal Time: 1997-12-13 18:58:00 Comments: Has anyone ever explained or inquired of the original producers why so many songs of the stereo era still aren't stereo yet? I'm thinking of "Gypsy Woman" (Brian Hyland), "Sweet and Innocent" (Donny Osmond), "Stoned to the Bone," "Doing It To Death" (James Brown), "Candida" (Dawn), "Venus" (Shocking Blue) and many others. Someone ought to write an article or book about this! (Hint, hint, hint...) |
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Name: Mark Mathews From: L.I. NY Time: 1997-12-13 23:52:00 Comments: Hello All! Just responding to Joel's inquiry below. Many of the mono-only tracks have been discussed separately in the newsletter. For example, I remember reading about "Gypsy Woman"... Brian Hyland said the stereo mix didn't "sound right" so they decided not to use it but he swears the DJ 45 had a stereo mix on the B-side. He and probably most artists/producers have no idea where the tapes are now.... The session tapes for the Donny Osmond stuff were probably long lost in the MGM/Curb/Polygram mess of "Who owns this stuff" etc.... plus the INCREDIBLE expense IF someone finds the tapes to make new mix-downs. I myself dream of hearing Shocking Blue in stereo. HOWEVER.....at least you can hear "Candida" in great stereo on Rhino The Best Of Tony Orlando & Dawn R2 71691 (1994) still in print. -MDM |
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Name: David
Clark From: Ottawa Time: 1997-12-14 18:26:00 Comments: re: Joel's post below. Actually, "Sweet And Innocent" has appeared in stereo, on the original MGM LP Osmonds in 1971. The common version we hear in mono has a guitar overdub that is missing on this stereo version, though! |
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Name: Charles
G. Hill Website: Chez Chaz From: Dustbury, Oklahoma Time: 1997-12-14 21:30:00 Comments: I am somewhat perplexed by the Shocking Blue situation. The other "Dutch Invasion" acts of the era - the Tee Set, the George Baker Selection - did have stereo versions of their US hits (although Baker's "Little Green Bag" in stereo has a different ending from the 45), so why not the Shocking Blue? Were they on a different label in the Netherlands before Jerry Ross picked up US distribution? |
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Name: Paul Stoddard From: Boston, MA Time: 1997-12-17 10:22:00 Comments: I've been looking over the new releases scheduled for the months of January and February. Rhino/Atlantic is redoing a bunch of greatest hits CDs for the label's major artists: probably just more mono. Motown is expanding their ultimate collection series, but still no sign of the rest of the great year-by-year series. There are, however, a few of the original greatest hits series being reissued: a Miracles and two Temptations. The release sheet claims that they are completely remastered versions of the original CDs. Since the original CDs were in stereo, these new ones might be as well. |
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Name: John Adkins From: Phoenix Time: 1997-12-17 15:12:00 Comments: Dick Bartley will have a website soon... it's currently under construction at http://www.dickbartley.com. Dick-- I hope you include an e-mail link. And if you or your syndicator have any pull with KOOL-FM Phoenix to get them to carry your live show on Saturday nights... (KOOL does air American Gold on Saturday nights.) KWFM Tucson just went to a satellite show on Saturday nights--they were local--but it's not Bartley. Rich Brother Robbin, (KWFM PD)--if you surf this site, it's my opinion you picked the wrong show!... On another subject--new Motown group compilation CDs-- I saw a new Four Tops package (1997 release) in a Circuit City last week; of course no notation as to stereo or mono. Does anyone know? Also sonic quality? |
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Name: Michael R. Fiedler From: Minneapolis, MN Time: 1997-12-17 23:48:00 Comments: To John Adkins/Paul Stoddard regarding the Motown Ultimate series and the 4 Tops. The Motown Ultimate series is a single disc, mono single versions of the hit songs, remastered, supposedly from a low generation master, according to their press releases. I bought the 4 Tops one about a month ago, and was somewhat disappointed in it. The song "Reach Out, I'll Be There" is very distorted, and I have a hard time believing the original mono single sounded this bad. Other cuts have distortion, but not as bad as that one. They also left off the charting hit "If I Were a Carpenter" in favor of a couple of non charting cuts. I am somewhat leery of this series right now, especially when they have distortion and are passing over somewhat high chart hits (mid 20's and 30's). They claim that these single mixes are different from their other CDs, which had stereo and longer versions of songs; they also claim some of the cuts were done differently than the album cuts, but I have noticed that difference on anything yet. |
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Name: Tim
Neely From: Iola, WI Time: 1997-12-18 00:58:00 Comments: A wonderful site...I found it by accident I guess, but I'm glad I did. Mike, I used to love your articles in the old O'Sullivan-Woodside price guides about true stereo, but had wondered where you disappeared to. This whole subject of mono/stereo/rechanneled has always fascinated me. And reading this has cleared up some questions I had, such as the source for the stereo version of "I Think We're Alone Now" by Tommy James that I had heard twice on the same radio station a couple years ago. Thanks!.... I make this offer to all readers of the web site: I now do many of the price guides and discographies for Goldmine magazine, and anyone who feels they have additions, corrections or clarifications to make our books and magazine better are welcome to contact me.... My bit of stereo news is this: A recent book entitled The Beatles -- From Cavern to Star-Club includes a bonus 7-inch vinyl EP with a replica Polydor logo from the early 1960s, and all four songs are in TRUE STEREO! I have played it myself to confirm this. These include the first-ever stereo mix of the original version of "Sweet Georgia Brown," before Tony Sheridan re-recorded the vocals to talk about the Beatles' hair. It also has both the German and English intro versions of "My Bonnie," and the fourth track is "Swanee River," a Tony Sheridan track that MAY have the Beatles plus others as the backup band. They come from the original German Polydor two-track master tapes, so they sound very good. So far, the book is a Swedish import only (but printed in English).... On a more personal note, I've begun scouring the LP discographies on your site, and once I spend more time with them I might have some additions. I'm also very interested in stereo 45 lists (1959-62 or so), as that is an area where my research is spotty at best. |
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Name: Pat Downey From: Boulder, CO Time: 1997-12-18 11:46:00 Comments: Just saw Dick Bartley's name mentioned in another message and it reminded me that I don't beleive I have seen any chat board messages about his 2 new CDs |
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Name: Bob Olivia From: Burbank, Ca. Time: 1997-12-20 04:39:00 Comments: November 27, 1997. I asked if "Hot Rod Lincoln" by Johnny Bond was available on CD yet. Haven,t heard from anyone.... The answer to my trivia question: The last actual recording by the Beatles minus John Lennon who was touring with his Ono Band, was "I Me Mine." Paul McCartney was editing the final footage for the movie and noticed the dance with John and Oko to "I Me Mine." So the remaining 3 Beatles went back into the studio to record the song, a year after the movie sessions were shot. This bit of trivia was noted form the book Beatles Recording Sessions..... Has anyone heard the bootleg Get Back CD? Very interesting, it's was the way the Beatles wanted it released before Phil Spector messed it up. Will write again. |
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Name: Boppin' Brian From: san diego Time: 1997-12-22 20:20:00 Comments: Hi! Finally got thru! O.K., here's one for you: About 4-5(?) years back, a Discoveries column detailed some of the good stereo reissue CDs out there, and I recall the guy was giving the thumbs down to Rhino's then rather newish MONOmania, commenting on the OTIS! and/or Aretha Franklin (Or was it the Young Rascals ..?!) multi-disc sets, but - more importantly mentioning a couple reissues that "got it right". One was a compilation of Brunswick soul/r&b that I have seen in stores - reviews, anyone? (as to stereo content, of course). Another CD he mentioned is one that really got my attention, and I'd really like to land me a copy! I have since discovered that the title (maybe?!) is The SVR Story. It is a compilation, put out by the guy who originally recorded the stuff back in the '60s (leasing the tracks all over to record labels big & small). A few of the songs I'm interested in have appeared on some of those Nuggets/Pebbles type compilations of dubious legality, dubbed from discs, etc. The group & songs I seek that are on this CD, released perhaps 6,7,8(?!) years ago, are by just one of the (presumably all) Detroit area artists represented on the CD: the Unrelated Segments. The songs include: "Where You Gonna Go", "The Story of My Life", "It's Unfair", "Cry Cry Cry", etc. The first two were issued on Liberty & HBR, originally, ca. '66-'67. I'll be anxiously awaiting ANY info on this CD.... Here's some bad news for folks who have been awaiting the expanded Young Rascals CDs from Sundazed (from the same team that brought us the Byrds reissues): seems Atlantic/Rhino/WEA - whoever! - has a clause in some contract that states that all (Young) Rascals reissues have to come out on/option to Japanese issue before the U.S. releases! ARRRGH! So, it will be a while. Another tip for your readers (who are probably already hip to this anyways...some sharp cookies out there--keep up the stereo detective work!)..on the "femme front"..(!?): the 3 cd Polygram-a-dor-Mercury (or whatever!) Dusty Springfield 3 CD set botched up entirely on the early stuff - it's that garbage-o-phonic "reprocessed for stereo" sound on CD! Unfotunately, the 2 CD Growin' Up Too Fast girls groups set of MGM/Mercury/Smash, etc. label stuff has just a couple of stereo cuts when it coulda-shoulda been 99% stereo. Amazingly enough, the reverse is true for the Lesley Gore 2-CD set! What gives?!?! As long as I'm yankin' at this chain, when can we expect a Spencer Davis Group compilation from Polygram/Island (or whoever owns this stuff now!). If anyone can recommend a good S.D.G. CD, let me know. And how about Them? Zombies? Procol Harum? When it can be found, mostly on LPs, these groups sound great in stereo.... Ok, now I'm sounding like a late '50s record inner sleeve blurb.... I am sure there are decent "import" CDs out there by some of these groups, but which ones to buy? It would be nice to get these on U.S. labels, saving some hard-earned $$, but it seems that things stay the same with the overseas folks doing it up better 99% of the time. A final thought - I promise!! - it seems that more folks are not so against a CD here & there mastered from a record source, be it one mono cut or a whole rare stereo LP. I know I have not yet figured out which "mystery" track is the record on some of the CDs that I have been told--by folks at the record companies themselves--are from 45s (on labels like Ace, Eric & others!) So, if it helps "get this stuff out there" (if it's not going to happen otherwise-tapes destroyed, etc.), I say, go for it! Bye for now! |
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Name: Jim
Clarke From: Bellflower, CA Time: 1997-12-25 16:25:00 Comments: Did anyone notice that Kokomo's "Asia Minor" (Stereo) has the channels reversed on its 2 stereo versions (1 on Collector's Choice More Instrumental Hits of the '60s and the new Teen Beat 4 on Ace-UK? |
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Name: Marty
Natchez Time: 1997-12-26 12:59:00 Comments: I believe that Westside's double-CD Tommy James and the Shondells: It's a New Vibration bows the original single of "Do Something to Me" in first-time stereo. On this version, James sings "So let's get together..." at the beginning of the bridge. Compare that to the same section on Rhino's Anthology alternate stereo cut, which finds him singing "It should be so easy.." in the identical spot. By the way, can any BSN expert confirm if the version of "Crimson and Clover" that appeared on the same-titled 1969 LP (Roulette 42023) also included false starts on its mono pressings that did not appear on stereo? Thanks. |
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Name: Charlie Brown From: Perrysburg Ohio Time: 1997-12-27 15:02:00 Comments: RE: Pat Downey. I have been waiting for some comments on the new Bartley series On The Radio myself. I am pleased with both discs. The high point of the set "(Just Like) Romeo and Juliet." Other songs such as the McCoys' "Hang On Sloopy" sound great in stereo in the version we heard most often on the radio back then. The Buckinghams' "Susan" without the freakout is also interesting to hear again. I remember hearing it with no interlude on some stations and with the interlude on others. All the songs on both discs, mono and stereo, have a good sound. Charlie |
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Name: Tom Daly Website: Skyline From: Malden, MA Time: 1997-12-29 10:08:00 Comments: Re: Bartley's discs... Being disappointed, I must grouse. Steppenwolf's "Magic Carpet Ride" has is hissy and not mixed hot like the 45s. "Susan" by the Buckinghams is not edited like the singles. I don't know what was used for reference with "Susan," but it's not the edit played on Boston radio. With all due respect to Cary Mansfield, these should have been QC'd better, prior to release. |
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Name: Tom Daly Website: Skyline Records From: Malden, MA Time: 1997-12-29 11:09:00 Comments: Does anyone know of a true stereo issue of either the single or LP versions of Vanilla Fudge's "You Keep Me Hangin' On?" All copies I've ever encountered are either rechannelled (yuck) or mono. |
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Name: roger
ledoux Time: 1997-12-29 16:16:00 Comments: Hi Mike. I'm looking for the following on CD and any help will be appreciated: "Rebel" by Carol Jarvis, "The Reason" by the 5 Chanels, "Lipstick Powder and Paint" by Joe Turner, "Teenage Prayer" by Gloria Mann, and "One Kiss Led To Another" by the Coasters. Thanks. |
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Name: Mark
Mathews From: NY Time: 1997-12-29 23:29:00 Comments: Greeting All and Happy Holidays. Just responding to some comments and inquiries...I thought I had "Hot Rod Lincoln" by Johnny Bond on a CD.... hmmm, can't find. However, it will be coming out on Vol. 5 of CD series called Hey, Look What I Found! These are available from Golden Gallery in PA, a mail order oldies/import company. Their phone # is (717)933-8817. I'm sure they will happily mail you a catalog. Please note: I have vols. 1-3 of this series, they are "imports" with lots of rarities-almost all from 45s with little or no stereo. HOWEVER...each volume seems to have 1 or 2 tracks that you just gotta have. I can't list all the tracks but 1-3 have such hard-to-finds as "Morgen" - Ivo Robic, "Yogi" - Ivy 3, "Goodbye Jimmy Goodbye" - Kathy Linden, "Sailor" - Lolita, "Nicky Hoeky" - PJ Proby, "Forever" - Little Dippers, and a lot of obscure novelty songs. Overall here, the sound is fairly clean - considering the sources. Mike would probably rate these an "F" for sound and disc usage, but might upgrade to "D" or "C" for content. [ -- Actually, I think the sound rates a "D" in most cases, but some of the tracks, like "Tijuana Border" by El Clod, are pretty clean. Almost all the tracks, though, are the types of "lost singles" that no record company seems interested in putting out -- those pesky #85 charters. Overall, though, you're buying a tape of somebody's record collection here, interesting though it may be. Of the first three volumes, there are only 2 or 3 stereo tracks, and those are commonly available. -- MC] |
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Name: Steve
Elders From: Orange, CA Time: 1997-12-30 22:37:00 Comments: To John Adkins (or Dick Bartley himself): I looked at the under-construction Dick Bartley Web page. Can you tell us what will be on there once it's up and running? Will there be a chat board similar to this one? Information on coming CDs he's doing? Suggestions from readers for future tracks to include? Where to find some hard-to-get oldies? Looking forward to the final result. |
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Name: Paul Bigelow From: Austin, TX Time: 1997-12-31 13:49:00 Comments: The verdict is in: The Zombie Heaven box set is mostly MONO. The first disc - Hits and singles, is ALL MONO. The second disc - Odessey and Oracle material, mostly is STEREO with a few stereo goodies. Disc three - outtakes and alternate versions, is ALL MONO. Disc four - BBC material, is ALL MONO. You know you're in trouble (I hope this is taken the correct way) when people start invoking God at the end of liner notes (as in this package). For some reason, "as GOD intended" and MONO are synonymous. I wouldn't try to presume what God intended. Has anyone noticed on these packages that the information that most of tracks are mono is buried somewhere in the documentation - not on the outside of the package? It's almost as if they are trying to be deceiving. If these folks are so sure that MONO is what God intended, why be so evasive? Is that how God would want it to be? This MONO thing is starting to creep like a silent cancer among record companies. I suspect that it is cheaper to find "original, glorious, heart stopping, pounding MONO as God intended" than it is to remix to stereo. In the end, lost multi-tracks are going to be the end result. Off the soapbox.... |
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Name: John
Sellards Website: VanMeter Recordings From: Beckley, WV Time: 1997-12-31 15:16:00 Comments: I have not seen or heard the Zombies collection mentioned below, nor do I know any of the parties involved, but, based on the quotes you have given, I suspect that they are using the mono for "artistic reasons." Mixes are a matter of taste, and I don't think that it is necessarily cheapness that keeps a record label/producer from using and/or remixing for stereo. I also suspect that they wanted to present the singles like they were originally released... |
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Name: Randy Price From: New York Time: 1997-12-31 18:37:00 Comments: For anyone who has the stereo Oh, How It Hurts LP by Barbara Mason with side 1 in mono, the two Bear Family Barbara Mason CDs contain those songs in stereo--four of the five tracks from side 1 of the LP on the Oh, How It Hurts CD and the other one ("You Can Depend On Me") on the Yes, I'm Ready CD. Excellent sound quality, produced by Walter deVenne. |
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Name: Ken
Garland From: LA Time: 1997-12-31 23:17:00 Comments: Rodger, "Teenage Prayer" by Gloria Mann is on Oldies but Goodies, Vol. 4 on Original Sound. |
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