Chat Board Archives: February, 1998




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Name: Joel Goldenberg
From: Montreal
Time: 1998-02-01 15:44:03
Comments: More on Pet Sounds stereo. I was invited on a local, highly-rated radio show to tell them what CDs should be bought for the holidays. Needless to say, the Pet Sounds box was number 1 on my list. I had the station (CJAD) play the vocals-only version of "Wouldn't It Be Nice" in stereo, and the host and the additional guest, plus the station technicians, were blown away! As a talk radio station, they generally don't play songs in their entirety, but they did this time! Only problem was, this was an AM station. Pity.

Name: Doug Schenker
From: Annapolis, MD
Time: 1998-02-01 16:32:34
Comments: I just received e-mail from a person on the AOL Dion Folder who indicates that there is a longer alternate take of "I Wonder Why" and that he has heard it on oldies radio in St. Louis. The extended alternate version was also played on the Harvey Holiday Sunday Night Doowop Show on WGOL Radio, Philly. Does this exist commercially, and if so, is it available on CD? Thanks.

Name: Luke Pacholski
Website: LukPac.org
From: Madison, WI
Time: 1998-02-02 16:33:24
Comments: Does anyone know of a resource, either on the net or in a book, about the history of Atlantic records? I've been searching around without much luck.

Name: Ken Garland
Time: 1998-02-02 20:40:43
Comments: Is "A Casual Look" by the Sixteens, on any CD? If so, what is the best version? Thanks in advance.

Name: Steve Elders
From: Orange, CA
Time: 1998-02-02 23:25:02
Comments: I asked this several weeks ago and got no response, so I'll try again: Does anyone know what exactly will be on the long-under-construction Dick Bartley home page (www.dickbartley.com)? Will it be about his shows, or about collecting, or about where to find rare stereo versions, or all or none of the above?

Name: Bob Olivia
From: Burbank, ca.
Time: 1998-02-03 04:09:45
Comments: To Ken Garland: I'm also looking for "Arrow of Love" by the Sixteens. To Doug Schenker: The version of "I Wonder Why" may be the live version from Madison Square Garden, 1973. Does anyone know if Earl Bostic's Musical Pearls has been released yet? Many of his albums have come out. I have an album by Sam Cooke called The Two Sides of Sam Cooke. The pop side of this album has "I'll Come Running Back To You" in stereo along with a couple of others. When I bought the CD version of this album, they were in mono; they also were without the background singers. Does anyone know if the stereo CD was ever released??

Name: Marc Hempel
Website: The Official Tug & Buster Home Page
From: Baltimore, MD
Time: 1998-02-04 12:41:49
Comments: Can anyone tell me what the contents are (cuts, stereo/mono, etc.) of the CD Edizione D'oro by the 4 Seasons (Ace UK)? I was also wondering why this recent release is so hard to find; I've actually heard that it has been discontinued! Thanks for your help. (P.S. Love your site, Mike!)

[ -- You can find this info on Ace's web page at the following URL. -- MC]

http://www.acerecords.co.uk/gotrt/sept97/cdchd642.html

Name: Marty Blaise
Website: The Blaise Page
From: Houston, Texas
Time: 1998-02-04 14:22:33
Comments: Mike, I may have asked this before so sorry if it's a repeat, but is the version of "Old Fashioned Love Song" by Three Dog Night - the one with the brief "rave up" section near the end - available in stereo, or was it the single version in mono only? I remember the "rave up" version from late 1971 but rarely hear it anymore. Also, any new word on a stereo version of Shambala? Thanks.

[ -- The deejay single of "Old Fashioned Love Song" was in mono and stereo, so a stereo version exists. Not so with "Shambala," where the stereo side was rechanneled. Nobody seems to have been able to find the multitrack to "Shambala," and at this particular time, I doubt if anyone's looking. -- MC]


Name: Mike Arcidiacono
From: NYC
Time: 1998-02-04 20:45:06
Comments: In reading ICE magazine tonite, I see three upcoming releases that interest me. On Feb 23, RCA releases Sam Cooke's Greatest Hits. I wonder, have they gone into the vault to find the pristine stereo masters that we've been waiting for all these years, or are we going to get the mono versions of tracks like "Wonderful World" and "Chain Gang" for the 10,000th time? I'm 99% certain that ALL of Sam's RCA material was recorded in stereo at LEAST, and some in 3 track. I wonder if they did any detective work to locate the original, first generation masters for this one.... Also, MCA is releasing two Mamas and Papas CDs, If You Can Believe Your Eyes and Ears and Greatest Hits, updated to have 20 hits instead of 16. My question on the M&P stuff is: a lot of people have commented that the stereo versions are mixed badly, the vocals in particular. I LIKE those stereo mixes. In fact, I'll take stereo over mono 99% of the time. But, I'm thinking that MCA is going to revert to the "AM 45 clasic masters" for (at least) the Greatest Hits package. That would be a pity. Of course, the third option is that they actually grab the 4 track multis and remix to stereo. But somehow, I don't see that happening. Anybody got any further info on these 3 reissues? Please post if 'ya do!! Stereo is King. Mikey

[ -- Stereo may be king, but mono's the joker in the deck... - MC]


Name: Luke Pacholski
Website: LukPac.org
From: Madison, WI
Time: 1998-02-04 23:41:17
Comments: I just read Jerry Wexler's book yesterday...quite interesting. One of the more interesting things regarded Tom Dowd. According to Wexler, Dowd had Atlantic install an 8 track machine (the same one Les Paul used) in the '50s! Late I'm sure, but the fifties neverless... Tom eventually helped design a better model, which they used in NY, Miami, and Muscle Shoals... On a similar note, I was thinking about the big 'Atlantic fire' that (supposedly) destroyed many of the multitracks. Well, I am betting at least some of the Ray Charles multitracks exist, as, "What'd I Say" (on a recent box set) is not only in stereo (it was never in stereo before to my knowledge - I could be wrong), but was several minutes longer - unedited.

[ -- The long stereo version of "What'd I Say" has been around since the late 1950s. There was even a vinyl LP of his hits recorded on 8-track stereo. -- MC]


Name: Leslie Willmers
Time: 1998-02-05 11:45:30
Comments: Hi Mike! Despite page 544 of BSN #42 (January-March, 1997) and the back of the jewel case, "I've Loved You" is STEREO on the CD Beyond The Garage by the Bonniwell Music Machine [Sundazed SC 11030]. The package has FOUR sets of liner notes but no room to mention: Original Sound 71 "Double Yellow Line"/"Absolutely Positively" (Billboard and Cash Box reviews April 22, 1967, entered Billboard's Bubbling Under Chart May 13, 1967, peaking at #111); Original Sound 75 "The Eagle Never Hunts The Fly"/"I've Loved You" (Billboard and Cash Box reviews June 17, 1967); Bonniwell Music Machine album review (Billboard February 10, 1968); WB 7093 "Astrologically Incompatible"/"Bottom Of The Soul" (Color Picture Sleeve); WB 7199 "To The Light"/"You'll Love Me Again" (Billboard review June 8, 1968). Thanks -- Leslie

Name: Luke Pacholski
Website: LukPac.org
From: Madison, WI
Time: 1998-02-05 17:57:46
Comments: Re: "What'd I Say"... I was not aware of the long stereo version. They only version I had heard was the (5 minute?) mono version on the What'd I Say LP, which I believe was released in mono only. I know there were notes in the box set by Tom Dowd saying how he had edited it and moved chunks around...I had never heard the long version till that box.

[ -- The long stereo version was also on several Atlantic various artists LPs in the 1960s. -- MC]


Name: Randy Price
From: New York
Time: 1998-02-06 01:50:16
Comments: Motown has reissued the Temptations' Greatest Hits, Vols. 1 & 2, with the original cover art, including the word "STEREO" emblazoned across the top of Vol. 1. There is no mention on the outside of the packages of mono or "original 45 masters," or anything of that nature. Is it possible Motown has remastered the stereo versions of these songs? Anybody know?

Name: Dan Asvitt
From: California
Time: 1998-02-08 01:51:58
Comments: Mike Arcidacono, the stereo version of Sam Cooke's "Chain Gang" can be found on Nipper's Greatest Hits - the 60's, Volume 1

Name: Tom Daly
Website: Skyline Record Productions
From: Malden, MA
Time: 1998-02-08 21:31:13
Comments: Re: Sam Cooke... I don't want to disappoint everyone over RCA's proposed new Sam Cooke disc, but RCA doesn't have the multis for the tracks everyone wants. Those masters are owned by everyone's favorite mono villain, Allen B. Klein! Therefore, do not expect the new Sam Cooke Greatest Hits CD to have anything in stereo other than what has appeared in stereo before. You may get less tape hiss, perhaps brighter or more crisp highs, but don't expect stereo unless Klein has a sudden change of heart.

Name: Mike Arcidiacono
From: NYC
Time: 1998-02-08 23:10:41
Comments: To Tom Daly, RE: Sam Cooke. I understand what you mean about RCA not having the multis on Sam Cooke, BUT, RCA should most definelty have the stereo 1/4 mixdowns somewhere in their vaults. I just hope that someone from RCA looked for and found those stereo mixes and used them for the comp. While we're on the subject, why DOES Klien have the multis? RCA does have the rights to the material, Sam was on RCA and they have been issuing his material forever. Any clues?

Name: Ray Gunn
From: Toledo, Ohio
Time: 1998-02-09 06:44:39
Comments: Allen Klein used to manage Sam Cooke, and Abcko owns much of the publishing rights on his songs.... So anything RCA does with the recordings usually means Klein is involved in some way...

Name: Paul Stoddard
From: Boston, MA
Time: 1998-02-09 19:43:03
Comments: For those of you who may have missed out on some of the Laurie Records CDs that Ace released, they are reissuing the following titles: Dion & The Belmonts: Runaround Sue: The Best Of The Rest (includes some alternate takes), Lovers Who Wander/So Why Didn't You Do That Before, Wish Upon A Star/Alone With Dion, Carlo & The Belmonts: Carlo & The Belmonts, and the Jarmels/Mystics: The Jarmels Meet The Mystics. With any luck, they'll reissue the Chiffons and Dion hits packages as well. The report that I saw didn't say anything about remastering, so these could well be the same packages that were on the market a few years back just being reissued.

Name: Steve Elders
From: Orange, CA
Time: 1998-02-09 22:35:01
Comments: The 1997 Australian movie Love Serenade prominently featured Les Crane's recording of "Desiderata" over the closing credits, and it sounded like stereo. Furthermore, the closing credits mentioned a soundtrack CD. However, I have never found this soundtrack in any store or catalog. Does anyone know of its existence, and whether "Desiderata" is on it in stereo? This track has not turned up on any comps to my knowledge, and my original 45 is mono.

[ -- I'm pretty sure it was stereo on the original vinyl LP. -- MC]


Name: T Ruth Teller
From: Found in Cyberspace
Time: 1998-02-10 11:28:42
Comments: The later Ray Charles Atlantic single sides are all in stereo on The Birth of Soul 3-CD box set issued in 1991 before the monomania set in. It's still in print. As MC previously mentioned, they originally appeared on a mid-60's Atlantic LP The Great Hits of Ray Charles Recorded in 8-Track Stereo [Atlantic SD 7101], so Atlantic probably used that LP master for the box set.

Name: Michael R. Fiedler
From: Minneapolis, MN
Time: 1998-02-10 13:06:02
Comments: I might as well throw my two-cents worth in about the mono/stereo war. Given the mixes being the same (or same session take) I would rather have stereo than mono. I am not convinced that mono kicks better than stereo. However, I do not care for stereo, when the session take is a different or alternate from the original mono session. My favorite example would be when Rhino issued the Young Rascals double CD set a few years back and they started the "mono has more punch" campaign. Anyone who has ever heard the stereo version of "Good Lovin'" would never like the mono version.....especially after the great ping-pong intro of "One, Two, Three....Good Lovin..." I would agree with most of those writing in....if the same mix is available in stereo, then use it!

Name: Larry Davis
From: Longview, Washington
Time: 1998-02-10 21:02:52
Comments: The only complaint I had about the Ray Charles' Birth Of Soul box set was that it did not contain the original single version of "What'd I Say". So I was happy when I found it on JCI's Baby Boomer Classics: Rockin' Fifies, from 1993. Unfortunately, the JCI version is in mono, but it SOUNDS like the 45 version to me, while on Birth Of Soul it definitely DOES NOT sound like the original version at all! I checked the times on these two CDs and they BOTH list the track at 6:26. The Atlantic single 2031 lists Part 1 at 3:05 and Part II at 1:59. That's only 5:04 for the entire song. But there is an obvious fade-out on Part I on the 45 and an equally obvious fade-in as Part II begins. So the missing 1:22 could all be from editing. I haven't checked the printed times against any actually timing device. This record was released in the Summer of 1959, so it certainly could have been originally recorded in stereo. Still, I've always felt certain that the stereo version is/was a different take or a different recording made for the stereo album. Has anyone else A-B ed the stereo and mono and arrived at a different conclusion? And what about the versions used on the 5 CD 50th Anniversary box set, and the Atlantic Rhythm and Blues box sets? I have all of these but haven't had a chance to A,B,C,D,E them or whatever...

Name: Paul
From: New York
Time: 1998-02-10 21:03:04
Comments: Mike, You have listed SoundCity2000 as possible mail order for buying cds. BUYER BEWARE! I ordered a Beach Boys CD in June 97 which I never received; it took them 5 months to tell me (Nov 97) it was deleted! After waiting a month I called and asked when my credit would come on my charge card and was told that after the holidays (xmas) they would get caught up with the credit memos. Well it never happened, I emailed them Jan 98 and they replied they would check and get back to me. It never happened. I've corresponded so many times, even calling, and they always promise a credit BUT NEVER DELIVER ON THEIR PROMISES. PLEASE DON'T BUY FROM THEM. I've talked to others on rec.music.marketplace.cd and came accross the very same scenario - if it's not in stock, they charge it to your credit card, promise you a refund, then ignore - ROBBERY.

[ -- Thanks for the tip. I will investigate and if need be, remove them as a link. -- MC]


Name: Luke Pacholski
Website: LukPac.org
From: Madison, WI
Time: 1998-02-11 01:16:43
Comments: Re: "What'd I Say"... The mono mix on the What'd I Say LP is shorter, possibly 5 something minutes (I don't have it with me). Part 1 and 2 go right together...no fades. I don't know if the single is edited further or not... As for the stereo version, Tom Dowd explained that they wanted to shorten the song and move some verses around. Thus the stereo version is what was actually recorded at the session, while the mono single version was shortened and edited for single release. Re: "Good Lovin"... I love the stereo mix of this! I cannot believe that Rhino would use the mono mix.... I am sure it is in better sound elsewhere, but I know that the stereo mix is available, on the Big Chill soundtrack....

Name: Paul Stoddard
From: Boston, MA
Time: 1998-02-11 12:20:48
Comments: First, the good news: the new Temptations Greatest Hits, Volume 1 is in stereo and it sounds great. I'll have the Volume 2 CD to check this weekend. I'm suspecting that it is also stereo but, unlike the Volume 1 with the big STEREO banner on the cover, there's no such indicator on the Volume 2 artwork. Now, the bad, or, probably, not unexpected news: Rhino's new Ultimate Soul Smashes Of The 50's, 60's and 70's series is just more of the same mono crap that they've been dishing out for the last 3 years. There's an occasional stereo track, e.g. on one of the '60s volumes, "Slip Away" by Clarence Carter is in stereo, but, for the stereo collector, this is just another Rhino product to avoid and ignore.

Name: Marty Natchez
Time: 1998-02-11 15:28:37
Comments: In the case of "Good Lovin'" by the Young Rascals, the debate between the merits of the mono and stereo mixes is simply resolved. The MONO mix is the only one that presents the music in an honestly engineered format. A BSN maven who can tolerate the blast of static on the song's count-in (which is masked in mono) is very forgiving. Furthermore, one's acceptance of the "ping-pong" switching of Felix Cavaliere's lead vocal on the stereo mix is a sore reminder of Atco's same gimmick that shamefully made Bobby Darin's early stereo mixes demonstrations for buying a stereo, rather than creating a truly listenable two-channel ambience. The best thing about "Good Lovin'" in mono is that ALL the musical elements are balanced. They are heard as they were recorded.... But if you're crazy about headphone listening, the stereo mix only plays tricks in your head. I would be the first to back a stereo remix with more integrity anytime. As it is, the "ping pong" stereo production that sounds so dated and still smudges one of the best hits of the '60s can't compare with the aural ecstacy of the mono mix....

[ -- Let's see. Your position is, "The argument is over. I'm right?" :-) -- MC]


Name: Paul Bigelow
From: Austin,TX
Time: 1998-02-11 16:26:29
Comments: I have never seen remixes or unreleased tracks of the Rascals. I suspect that if you want stereo, buy the Warner Special Products' versions while you can. I think the Rascals' tapes fall under the category "Atlantic Fire". Sundazed was about to reissue the Rascals albums with bonus tracks until an obscure contractual clause interfered with that plan. 1960s wide channel ping-pong stereo is just a part of music history. That same history produced cylinders, lacquer masters, 78s and mono mixes. If "ping-pong" is what exists then I say - use it! I find "modern" mixes rather boring.

Name: Big Mike Arcidiacono
From: NYC
Time: 1998-02-12 21:47:59
Comments: Re: The Young Rascals: One thing that you must understand is that the ping pong on Felix's voice was really done to add some excitement to the LP. On stage, the Rascals were as exciting as any band EVER. I think the mix was simply a way to try and convey the excitement of a Rascals show for the listeners at home. I really don't think it sounds dated, in fact I like it!! I mean, if you really want it in mono, flip the mono switch on your amp. The other interesting thing about the Rascals is that there are some tracks that were recorded before they were signed to Atlantic. They were done at Ultra-Sound studios in Hempstead, Long Island. Two of them surfaced on a VA LP in 1966 after they hit big with "Good Lovin". The LP featured a beautiful color picture of them on stage, and also had "before they were famous" tracks by Johnny Rivers and the 4 Seasons. I wish someone like Sundazed would put them out on a CD and call it Very Young Rascals or something. Ultrasound had an AMPEX 3 track machine in 1964 so I would bet these tracks were done that way. Stereo rules!! Mikey

Name: Paul Bigelow
From: Austin, TX
Time: 1998-02-13 10:09:17
Comments: Young Rascals: I think the Rascals have other intersting songs that made use of stereo as a creative tool. "Mustang Sally" is particularly interesting. Stereo, when new, was used as a creative tool. Led Zepplin, Santana, even Frank Sinatra, Jan & Dean, and Petula Clark have some very interesting and involving stereo mixes. Some artists today have picked up on using stereo - Lenny Kravitz has had some of the more interesting mixes of the last 10 years. He even had the nerve to master a song in FAKE stereo for effect. Another subject: Who controls the Swan session masters? Freddy Cannon needs a comprehenive overview from the session masters. All the reissues appear to licensed from Freddy Cannon but the quality of the tapes appear to be poor.

[ -- Rollercoaster Records in England owned the Swan masters the last time I checked, but they may not have the Freddy Cannon masters. These may be owned by Freddy Cannon or Warner Brothers. The Forevermore label out of Pennsylvania seems to have some connection with Rollercoaster. -- MC]


Name: Marty Blaise
Website: The Blaise Page
From: Houston Texas USA
Time: 1998-02-13 11:36:22
Comments: 1. I think some of the Led Zeppelin stuff was done for quadrophonic. In particular, listen to "Whole Lotta Love" on four speakers - to me, that's an early version of "surround sound." Speaking of quadrophonic, does anyone know the basic years it was used and does any radio station even use it anymore? Some Houston FM stations used quad in the early 70s. 2. There is a song I heard on a TV commercial and I can't figure out the title or artist. The only words I remember are sail away, sail away, sail away. Anyone know who did this and if it's in stereo? Was it possibly by Enya? Thanks.

[ -- Quad was a mid-1970s thing, popular from about 1973 to 1975 for the most part, then it slowly died a painful death over several years. There were some problems with quad, to be sure. Many quad albums used a "derived" sound for the back channels that was not much more than rechanneling. (Surround Sound derives channels, but they sound much more discrete.) The "discrete quad" that was used on some records and 8-track tapes sounded pretty strange to me, almost like too much of a good thing, where a record was pulled apart so much that it was hard for your brain to put it back together again. Just a thought. :-) -- MC]


Name: Charles G. Hill
Website: Chez Chaz
From: Dustbury, Oklahoma
Time: 1998-02-13 12:16:03
Comments: The Enya track is undoubtedly "Orinoco Flow", from her Watermark album, issued on Geffen and reissued on Reprise. To my knowledge, it's always been in stereo.

Name: John Mehno
Time: 1998-02-13 13:54:49
Comments: Does the original 45 version of Cher's "You Better Sit Down Kids" exist in stereo anywhere? Does the Carpenters' original "Merry Christmas Darling" exist on CD anywhere? In both cases, the common version is a different vocal take. With the Cher track, I checked an old compilation LP from Liberty and even it seemed to be the non-single version. Also, because I never get tired of asking: anything new on Dave Clark 5 material? A recent post on Bob Shannon's message forum said that some Laurie material ("Moulty" by the Barbarians and "A Question of Temperature" by the Balloon Farm) had been discovered in true stereo. Anyone know anything about a possible release?

[ -- They'll be out this year. -- MC]


Name: Steve Elders
From: Orange, CA
Time: 1998-02-13 23:14:46
Comments: Re: the Carpenters' original "Merry Christmas, Darling": It's on CD, in stereo, on their four-CD box set, From the Top. I seem to recall that the booklet notes that the box set is the first time that original take has appeared since the 1970 45. The newer vocal Karen cut for the Christmas album later in the '70s is close, but you can tell in a couple of places that it's different, particularly on the last verse where she sings "Happy New Year, too." On the remake, her voice is on a higher note on the word "year."

Name: Mark Mathews
From: L.I.N.Y.
Time: 1998-02-14 16:09:58
Comments: Hello all. Just tuned in to read the contoversy about the Rascals "Good Lovin" and mixes like that one. Since this is a discussion forum, I offer my opinion. I've always liked that mix even though "ping-ponging" anything from left to right can be distracting. We've all heard many stereo mixes that range from poor to just plain bizarre when compared to the hit single mix. As far as improved sound quality, that's a matter of preference, but if a song was released that way on an LP 30 years ago it doesn't make sense to "restore it to its original mono single mix" for historical reasons. I am a little tired of keeping vinyl because the ONE person who mastered the expensive CD I just bought felt the stereo mix done 3 decades ago isn't quite right. If I want to hear a mono version because it has some differences from the stereo mix, I'd like to make that determination at the time of purchase-something we collectors have been fighting for for years and record companies still choose to ignore. - MDM

Name: Luke Pacholski
Website: LukPac.org
From: Madison, WI
Time: 1998-02-15 01:33:46
Comments: Anyone know much about the current crop of Sam & Dave CDs? I heard the 21 track Best of a few years ago (I think it was from 1987), and while some tracks were in stereo, others like "Soul Man" and "Sooth Me" were in mono. How does this compare to the current CDs (many on Rhino, I do believe)? Has "Soul Man" ever been released in stereo? I did notice that the Hold On I'm Comin' CD noted that it was mastered from the stereo tapes, sans one song that has never been released in stereo. Kinda strange for Rhino!

Name: Charles G. Hill
Website: Chez Chaz
From: Dustbury, Oklahoma
Time: 1998-02-15 13:11:35
Comments: After checking my own shelf, I find a stereo "Soul Man" only on the early Warner Special Products compilation Atlantic Soul Classics [9-27601-2, 1985]. Mike gives it a "D," citing prevalent hiss and rechanneling.

Name: Joel Goldenberg
From: Montreal
Time: 1998-02-15 15:18:40
Comments: Speaking of quad, I have about 30 such LPs in my collection. BSN readers know about the differences on the Sly and the Family Stone Greatest Hits, with three songs in "stereo" for the first time. I also have the Doors' discrete quad Greatest Hits, and it sounds terrible and thin in stereo. There are some Japanese instrumental LPs I have from JVC, from '72, and they sound breathtaking, similar to audiophile material. Aside from the Sly Hits LP, the most interesting quad record in my collection is Aretha Franklin's Greatest Hits, with a green cover. Songs like "Respect" have extra echo and what sounds like a horn overdub. A big surprise is "Rock Steady," which seems to have many overdubs and a "cold" ending. The biggest surprise was the long version of "Chain of Fools," with the aching gospel moans and the snaky guitar on the intro. This is one of Aretha's best moments. This long version now seems to have been issued on one of the newer Aretha CDs. Cheers.

Name: T Ruth Teller
From: On the Information Superhighway
Time: 1998-02-15 17:27:54
Comments: The long version of "Chain of Fools" has been reissued as a bonus track on the Rhino reissue of Lady Soul, which they did right for a change, with the original LP in stereo followed by the long "Chain" (using the quad LP mix) and the mono 45 mixes of "A Natural Woman", "Since You've Been Gone" and "Ain't No Way". Comparing the two versions, the 45 has the song's verses in a different sequence, less repetition of the chorus and some of the background vocals mixed out to emphasize Aretha's vocal, besides the mutilated intro.... Speaking of different edits, the 5:04 version of Ray Charles' "What'd I Say" is mixed hotter than the 6:20 stereo version. Besides the editing for length, the other major difference is in the song's bridge before the call-and-response section, where Ray can heard saying "hold it" on the short version and "what's that" on the long version. As the song was originally recorded nine minutes in length, both versions come from the same 8-track session tape. Unless that tape was not lost in the fire, don't look for anything other than what has been released.

[ -- The two versions are probably two different recordings altogether, but recorded at about the same time, so Ray's intonations are pretty close. -- MC]


Name: Larry Davis
From: Longview, Washington
Time: 1998-02-15 19:41:26
Comments: Thanks, "Ruth," for the info on "What'd I Say". I just played the version on Disc 1 of the 5 CD Ray Charles set Genius & Soul: The 50th Anniversary Collection and it is the 5:04 single edit, FINALLY in great sound. As you expected, it is in mono, so I guess there won't be any stereo version of this edit. Like you said, it is hotter, and to my ears much preferable to the stereo edit, even if they were both done from the same session tapes.

Name: Luke Pacholski
Website: LukPac.org
From: Madison, WI
Time: 1998-02-16 01:08:36
Comments: Re: "What'd I Say." Do you really think so about the different versions? I have not looked at it for a while now, but it seems to me that Tom Dowd implied in the liner notes to the Ray Charles Soul box that they were the same take...just that they were edited differently, etc. Anyone who has this box care to take out the liner notes and post the portion in question?

Name: John Adkins
From: Phoenix
Time: 1998-02-16 09:07:11
Comments: A Best Buy spot airing in Phoenix during the Motown special on ABC-TV Sunday night (Feb. 15) plugged a new Motown 40 Forever CD set due out Tuesday Feb. 17. Now, the burning question to anyone who may have had an advance ear to it...will this be more "monogate"?

Name: Al Mamotta
From: Toledo, Ohio
Time: 1998-02-16 20:18:18
Comments: Here's the tracklist for the Motown 40 Double CD set (no stereo info yet) to be released Tuesday 2/17:

Disc One: Marvelettes - "Please Mr. Postman"/Smokey Robinson & The Miracles - "Shop Around"/Martha Reeves & The Vandellas - "(Love Is Like A) Heat Wave"/Mary Wells - "My Guy" (2:53)/Marvin Gaye & Tammi Terrell - "Ain't Nothing Like The Real Thing"/Four Tops - "I Can't Help Myself (Sugar Pie Honey Bunch)" (2:43)/The Originals - "Baby I'm For Real" (3:18)/Jimmy Ruffin - "What Becomes Of The Brokenhearted" (2:59)/Eddie Kendricks - "Keep On Truckin'" (3:32)/Jackson 5 - "ABC" (2:57)/Diana Ross & The Supremes - "Stop! In The Name Of Love" (2:53)/Stevie Wonder - "My Cherie Amour" (2:53)/Gladys Knight & The Pips - "Neither One of Us (Wants To Be The First To Say Goodbye)" (4:22)/The Temptations - "Just My Imagination (Running Away With Me)" (3:47)/Marvin Gaye - "What's Going On" (3:42)/Diana Ross &The Supremes - "Someday We'll Be Together" (3:27)/The Temptations - "Papa Was A Rollin' Stone" (6:58)/Jackson 5 - "I'll Be There" (3:58)/Smokey Robinson - "Tears Of A Clown"/Martha Reeves & The Vandellas - "Dancing In The Street"

Disc Two: Rick James - "Superfreak"/Dazz Band - "Let It Whip"/Johnny Gill - "Rub You The Right Way"/Jermaine Jackson - "Let's Get Serious"/Teena Marie & Rick James - "Fire & Desire"/Rockwell - "Somebody's Watching Me"/The Temptations - "My Girl"/Edwin Starr - "War"/Diana Ross - "I'm Coming Out"/Lionel Richie - "All Night Long (All Night)"/DeBarge - "All This Love"/The Commodores - "Three Times A Lady"/Shanice - "I Love Your Smile"/Boyz II Men - "I'll Make Love To You"/Stevie Wonder - "Superstition"/Marvin Gaye - "Let's Get It On"/Today - "Him Or Me"/Dennis Edwards - "Don't Look Any Further"/Diana Ross - "When You Tell Me That You Love Me"/Puffy - "song title"

Name: Tom Daly
Website: Skyline Record Productions
From: Malden, MA
Time: 1998-02-16 23:27:31
Comments: For those who might be interested, I just mixed "Angel of the Morning" by Merilee Rush & the Turnabouts to stereo, with the vocal overdubs that had only been in the mono mix. Finally, a finished stereo version exists!

Name: Randy Price
From: New York
Time: 1998-02-17 04:17:14
Comments: Run, don't walk, to your nearest CD store and pick up the remastered Temptations' Greatest Hits, Vols. 1 & 2. Not only are all tracks on both discs stereo (except "Since I Lost My Baby" on Vol. 1, which is the usual "ambient mono"), but the sound quality is phenomenal (although on some tracks, the stereo channels are reversed from the original LPs). If you have the old Command Performances discs from the 80s, throw them immediately in the trash; don't even use them as coasters, as after you've heard the new ones, you won't even be able to stand the sight of the old ones (which, by comparison, sound like bad cassette recordings of mispressed LPs played with a worn needle). Does anyone have the e-mail address for Motown's reissue department? We should launch a mail campaign to get more of these.

Name: Clark Barr
From: Toledo, Ohio
Time: 1998-02-17 08:17:12
Comments: Randy is right! These Temptations reissues sound amazing! Great stereo, very little hiss, and 20 bit mastering by Kevin Reeves (formerly of Capitol Records, now working for PolyGram, he did most of the Legendary Masters series with Ron Furmanek) these mid-price CDs are worth the money. Be careful though, the old versions are still around, mixed in the bins with the new product. The new ones have a stock number that starts with "314" and are stickered with the 20 bit notice, and have the orininal LP cover full size on the front. The old ones start with a "37463" and the front shows the original LP cover miniaturized with a color background.

Name: Ken Garland
Time: 1998-02-18 02:23:40
Comments: Could you post the date of the current newsletter mailing either here or in the page for the news letter so people can find out if it was shipped? What i am trying to find out is did i miss mine or has it not been sent. Thanks, ps. any word on the next publish date for the book?

[ -- Due to some other commitments, Issue #46 is late. It is currently at the printer and will probably be mailed on or before February 20. Sorry for the delay. We expect #47 to be on time. The 3rd Edition of Oldies On CD will be later out this year. There will be plenty of notice given when a publication date is set. -- MC]


Name: Michael Fiedler
From: Minneapolis, MN
Time: 1998-02-18 14:16:02
Comments: I was speaking to someone in the record business the other day, and we got into a discussion about Mr. Allan Klein & Cameo-Parkway or ABKCO. He said he inquired with Allan Klein about the possibility of licensing some of the CP material. He was basically told that to license anything would start at $500,000, which means Klein isn't serious about licensing the stuff out. I would bet that we will never see the light of day with the CP catalog on CD. He always teases people every year by having someone put out a line about "you will see something in the not too distant future." What a crock! This could be a couple of topics for discussion on your end.

[ -- Actually, there's the start of a discussion of this sort in the new issue of BSN, Issue #46. This brings up another interesting but little known fact. In an affidavit that Klein filed in the late '60s or early '70s, he noted that he changed the name of his company from Cameo-Parkway to ABKCO. Cameo-Parkway didn't fold; Abkco IS Cameo-Parkway. How ironic. -- MC]


Name: Eliot Goshman
Website: Taragon Records Company
Time: 1998-02-18 21:31:56
Comments: Our new releases, The Very Best Of Red Bird/Blue Cat Records, Music From One Step Beyond, The Very Best Of Mr. Acker Bilk and The Very Best Of Eddie Fisher are being released shortly. You can find more information on our web page at www.taragon.com ...Thanks for your support.

Name: Mike Cloud
From: Houston, TX
Time: 1998-02-19 00:37:41
Comments: I'm looking for stereo versions of CCR's "Proud Mary" and "Bad Moon Rising" on CD. No luck so far. They were on the quad vinyl versions twenty years ago. I just found this web site and don't know if this question has come up before.

Name: Luke Pacholski
Website: LukPac.org
From: Madison, WI
Time: 1998-02-19 08:36:50
Comments: Re: CCR... I have to admit not hearing the CDs, but aren't these tracks in stereo on their respective CDs (Bayou Country for "Proud Mary" and Green River for "Bad Moon Rising")? If not, I do believe that "Bad Moon" is in stereo on the Big Chill, Part 2 soundtrack.

Name: Paul Stoddard
From: Boston, MA
Time: 1998-02-19 09:22:30
Comments: Re: CCR - Believe it or not, the songs "Proud Mary, "Bad Moon Rising", and "Lodi" are really in stereo on the regular CCR CDs Born On The Bayou and Green River, respectively. They are, however, mixed so narrowly that they might as well be mono. If you have a spatializer or surround sound setup, you might try running them through that to widen out the stereo image. E-mail me if you want more details.

Name: Luke Pacholski
Website: LukPac.org
From: Madison, WI
Time: 1998-02-19 21:41:16
Comments: Re: "Bad Moon Rising"... I just listened to a copy of the Big Chill, Part 2 soundtrack, and indeed it is the same narrow stereo as the other discs... A quick listen to the LP reveals it is also mono/narrow stereo. Odd.

Name: Jay Fink
From: Albany,NY
Time: 1998-02-20 22:27:28
Comments: Just picked up Del Shannon - 1961-1990; A Complete Career Anthology, the new 2CD set on Australia's Raven label. Best quality DS to date, with 57 essential tracks! Note: "Keep Searchin" is mono as the day is long, even though the packaging denotes "rare stereo version". Overall a strong "B"---Some hiss on the early mono tracks -Jay.... PS-Mike, do you send out renewal forms/reminders for the newsletter? Thanks

[ -- For those who subscribe to the newsletter, there are three -- count 'em, three -- different ways to know your subscription is expiring. First, right after your name on the mailing label is a number in brackets, such as [Exp= 46], which tells you the last issue in your current subscription. In addition, when that last issue comes up, the mailing label is no longer white, but some bright dayglo color like red, green, or yellow. Third, inside with the newsletter on your last issue, there is a long, brightly colored, slip of paper which says "This is your last issue," etc. On the back of that slip is a renewal form, including info for renewing by VISA or MasterCard. If you still miss all of that, within some period of time (6-12 mos., usually), you will get a letter notifying you that your subscription has expired. If after all this, you can't tell that your subscription has run out, I guess you won't be re-upping anyway, since you're probably comatose. :-) -- MC]


Name: Bob Olivia
From: Burbank, California
Time: 1998-02-21 04:22:25
Comments: What is all the stink about "What'd I Say" in stereo? The Atlantic Soul Classics put out by Warner Special Products has an excellent stereo version. I don't hear any bad hiss on my copy. I can crank up the sound on my stereo and it sounds fantastic. Stereo still reigns supreme as far as I'm concerned. You guys saying mono sounds better is going to encourage Rhino and the rest to keep putting out their mono crap. If this is a stereo chat line, let's keep it that way and keep coming up with more requests. Does anyone know if any of Johnny Preston's CDs are all stereo yet? I have two foreign CDs with "Feel So Fine" and "Running Bear" in True Stereo. Somebody please respond.

[ -- "Running Bear" has never appeared in true stereo to my knowledge, so I'd suggest you check for rechanneling on your version. This was usually done with reverb on one channel. "Feel So Fine" was true stereo on his vinyl LP. As far as the mono/stereo debate, I think it's okay for the chat board as long as it doesn't get outside the bounds of civility. -- MC]


Name: Greg & Linda T.
From: Rome,N.Y.
Time: 1998-02-21 08:28:20
Comments: People, people if we EVER want to see Cameo-Parkway material on CD we must keep this subject in the forefront! Chubby Checker, Bobby Rydell, Dee Dee Sharp, Dovells, Orlons, Tymes and ? and the Mysterians just to mention a few. I'm sure that many of you can add to this list. No doubt Mr. Klein has his associates watching this forum and others to gauge the demand for these artists. Of course stereo first choice but if not mono. Whatever though please keep it clear and clean. Cameo-Parkway fans, let our voices be heard!!!

[ -- While I agree that the more noise fans make, the more likely things are to happen, I seriously doubt that Abkco is monitoring this board. They care too little about what fans think to bother with "monitoring" potential customers. -- MC]


Name: Mike Arcidiacono
From: NYC
Time: 1998-02-21 11:02:08
Comments: To Greg and Linda T: Just to educate you about ABKCO, since I have called them, written them, e-mailed them, threatened them, cried to them, etc., over the years. Here are my conclusions: 1) They are basically a small operation, people wise. When you call and ask about Cameo-Parkway, you will very often get Klien's Daughter, who is an attorney. 2) They don't have anyone monitoring oldies newsgroups, Web Sites or fan clubs, because quite frankly, they DON'T CARE. They are not the least bit interested in what WE want to be released. They are perfectly happy with the Stones, Animals and Hermans Hermits CDs which they haven't touched in 10 years. 3) Every year, they issue a statement that they are "Working on the Cameo-Parkway Masters, which should be out around the holidays". Every year for the LAST 10 YEARS!!! Sorry, but it doesn't take a decade to do a box set. 4) My opinion and conclusion is this: ABKCO is keeping the Cameo-Parkway masters off the market on purpose--to increase their value for a massive sale. Berry Gordy got 500 million for the Motown Catalouge. To me there is no other explanation why there hasn't been any reissues of this material. Remember, he bought the rights in 1968 or so... and hasn't issued anything since!! As far as stereo, forget it. He actually made a statement in 1989 or so that "If it was released in mono, it will be mono on the box set". Pity, too, because it's believed that all the CP material recorded in Philly at (what is now) Sigma Sound was done on 3 track. Well, that's enough ABKCO bashing for now. I think I'll go listen to my MONO ABKCO Hermans Hermits CD. -- Mikey

[ -- Actually, Abkco did issue several double-LP sets of Cameo-Parkway material in the early 1970s, all in mono of course.... You might want to set up another few hypothetical scenarios for why none of the C-P material is coming out. First scenario: Maybe there are legal problems. Let's say that in the old days, artists had royalty arguments with C-P. As we know, Abkco is not a different company, just C-P with a name change. Let's say that the minute new C-P material comes out, Abkco will be sued for back royalties. Second scenario: Maybe Allen Klein simply HATES the Cameo-Parkway material, and thinks the world will be much better off if no one ever hears it again.... Third secenario: Abkco is a very small company made up oif a bunch of lawyers who don't know beans about the record business and don't care.... Fourth scenario. The people at Abkco are just totally incompetent.... All this is to say, there are other possible reasons for the C-P material not coming out than the one you give. -- MC]


Name: Mike Arcidiacono
From: NYC
Time: 1998-02-21 10:58:57
Comments: Hey stereo dudes - Just spoke to Eliot Goshman at Taragon, everybody's favorite reissue label. Great News!!! The upcoming Best of Red Bird/Blue Cat CD (to be released 3/10) is mostly stereo, and remixed from the long-lost Red Bird multitracks!! Its mostly Shangri-Las, Ad Libs and the Butterflies. We have been waiting for years for someone to find the multis on this material, which supposedly was found last year. Buy this CD, the sonic quality should be great!!! Mikey

Name: Larry Davis
From: Longview, Washington
Time: 1998-02-21 13:41:34
Comments: Just for Bob Olivia's clarification and any others who misunderstood the point of the Ray Charles discussion, I think we could all agree that when there is a stereo version available it should be released on CD. But it needs to be from the same performance as the original hit single version, or else it should be included as a bonus track along with the original version. Otherwise, we're just buying stereo re-recordings. Many artists have gone back into the studio and recorded their hit songs in stereo with the same arrangements as originally used. K-tel and Dominion have put out a lot of these. I don't find them at all desirable and I don't like to see them passed off as "originals" either. I have the original Atlantic single of "What'd I Say" and I've played it hundreds of times since 1959. The stereo versions released so far don't sound at all like this original 45. Yes, the stereo sounds great, but that wasn't the point. It doesn't sound like the original version did, it sounds like an alternate take or re-recording.

Name: Tom Daly
Website: Skyline Record Productions
From: Malden, MA
Time: 1998-02-22 08:08:58
Comments: The story I've heard from a reliable source is that a few years back, Allen Klein's daughter and son (who run the company) had compiled the promised ABKCO box set. Klein himself was on his death bed, but apparently recovered from whatever ailed him. When he found out about the Cameo-Parkway box set project, he squelched it. Until he dies, don't expect to see any Cameo-Parkway releases from ABKCO, stereo, mono or otherwise. For those who don't remember, ABKCO did issue two volumes of said material on LP, Rock-o-Rama, Volumes 1 & 2, each a two-disc set.

Name: Frank Footer
From: Toledo, Ohio
Time: 1998-02-22 09:01:14
Comments: All this stuff about Cameo-Parkway is boring. People want it cause it isn't out, that's it. Musically, except for the hits, it's pretty mediocre material. And most of it wasn't recorded in stereo, that's for sure. Bobby Rydell told me recently that many of his tracks were done in a studio in Philadelphia where the owner didn't have any multi-track equipment and hated stereo. (I forgot the guy's name & studio, but it was well known at the time.) Remember the Phil Spector box set? I couldn't listen to it, not because it was mono, but because it sounded awful. Made from the singles masters, compressed, distorted and lo-fi. And when the Cameo-Parkway stuff comes out, that's what it's going to sound like. I think it might not be out becuse of artist royalties/contracts. Klein would have to pay everyone and I don't think most of those artists ever saw any money...For now, some of the boots (like those on the Park label) sound very good, and it definately won't sound much better when Klein eventually releases it...

Name: Greg & Linda T.
From: Rome, N.Y.
Time: 1998-02-22 09:11:39
Comments: Re: Well, if Mr. Klein waits much longer we'll all be TOO old TO care, or TOO dead TO buy, which leaves him NO market TO sell it TO!!!

Name: Luke Pacholski
Website: LukPac.org
From: Madison, WI
Time: 1998-02-22 13:23:18
Comments: A few comments... Allen Klein - I don't know about the deathbed stories, but he seems to be doing fine now... He just threw a big party after the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame awards... "What'd I Say" - I have not listened to either version in a while, but between my ears and reading, I seem to think that the stereo and mono versions are indeed the same recording, simply edited differently... Anyone who has both of these care to carefully listen to both and give a verdict?

Name: curt lundgren
Time: 1998-02-22 13:52:03
Comments: Regarding Taragon, I've just visited their site, and it looks like we'll get a Lou Christie package before summer. The Complete Co & Ce/Roulette Recordings is listed as an April or May release. Also noted, the track lineup indicates the only mono title on Best Of Red Bird/Blue Cat is "New York's A Lonely Town" by the Tradewinds (which is a shame, because the song does have it's fans in the East). Still with Taragon.....can anyone give us an A/B Little Peggy March analysis, Taragon's CD vs. the RCA versions on Nipper's Greatest? How's the Steve Lawrence ABC-Paramount stuff? Also the just-out One Step Beyond soundtrack. (This is how Mike finds out who really subscribes....one of these must have been reviewed by now!)

[ -- You are correct. -- MC]


Name: Tony Waitekus
Website: All Hit 98-9 WHTS
From: Davenport, IA
Time: 1998-02-22 14:13:05
Comments: Regarding Cameo/Parkway. It seems to me I read an article in Billboard quite some time ago about ABKCO's distribution deal with Polygram. That deal also included the right to license C/P material, and may explain why Bob Seger's "Sock It To Me Santa" is on a Polygram Special Projects Christmas Compilation. For some reason, other than that track, Polygram hasn't tried to put out anything. The silly argument about whether the material is artistically worthy of release is just that. Music is subjective, and all those holier than thou music critics have no place in this discussion. The public loves it, as these songs contiune to be played on oldies radio every day. It will be interesting to learn what the reasons for Allan to hold this stuff back are, if we ever find out. Besides the Rock-O-Rama LPs, at the time there was also a 2 disc Chubby Checker LP, a Tymes LP, and a bunch of 45s.

Name: Joel Goldenberg
From: Montreal
Time: 1998-02-22 15:54:15
Comments: I'm very confused. There has been conflicting information about the infamous "green paint" method of making CDs sound better. Some of what I've read says it makes no difference and just discolours your CD. But an article in the new magazine Tracking Angle says the CD Stoplight (with "green paint" in brackets) improved the balance, depth and other aspects of sound quality. A European magazine said the same thing. Help! What's an audiophile to do?!

[ -- I knew this old saw would be back. Green paint or magic marker makes no difference in the sound of your CDs. Period. Somebody thought they'd make some money by selling the stuff, and sent some hype in to some gullible magazine people who published it. -- MC]


Name: Randy Price
From: New York
Time: 1998-02-22 16:14:58
Comments: To Curt: I highly recommend the Taragon Little Peggy March CD. It's all stereo, includes all her hits and the sound quality is outstanding. Same for the Best of Steve Lawrence (ABC-Paramount recordings), although most of the material doesn't stand up to "Pretty Blue Eyes," IMHO.

Name: Dean Zemaitaitis
From: Calgary, Canada
Time: 1998-02-22 20:57:16
Comments: In response to the people wanting the CCR cuts in stereo on CD ("Proud Mary" & "Bad Moon Rising"), I suggest they contact Tom Daley (his E-mail address is located 3 or 4 messages below this one). He was able to get me the songs in question on CD and did a terrific job compiling them. Though off of a vinyl source originally, the copies he got me were very clean. I highly recomend Tom!

Name: Martin G. (Marty) Blaise
Website: The Blaise Page (and an inside page with my stereo wantlist)
From: Houston, Texas
Time: 1998-02-23 17:14:42
Comments: The other night on Flashback, I heard a song by the Animals called "When I Was Young." I was in the car and couldn't tell if it was stereo or not, but my guess is that it wasn't. Believe it or not, this was the first time I had ever heard that song - to me it's a pretty weird song (song?). Has this ever appeared in true stereo? I'm guessing the track is from about 1966, after the British Invasion Animals and before the San Francisco Eric Burdon & The Animals.

[ -- Nope. Almost always mono, rarely even rechanneled. -- MC]


Name: Mike Hartman
From: Vernon Hills, IL
Time: 1998-02-24 09:47:30
Comments: RE: A letter in your new BSN issue mentions "Sweet Mary" by Wadsworth Mansion wondering if there could of been two 45s - one with a cold ending & one with a fade. Well, that's what happened... there were two. The same is true with Roberta Flack's "Killing Me Softly". It was always really strange with both songs because they had just a few seconds to go and they faded out. On another matter - a while back Curtiss Carpenter wrote about a remix of the Isley Brothers "This Old Heart Of Mine". He mentioned it being on a DJ 12 CD set issue from Mobile Beat. I heard this remix and it was super clean with no over modulation. Does anyone know if this remix has made it out in any public releases? (Mike, is the version on Rock & Roll Relix 1966-1967 the same old mix or the new mix?) I won't buy the 12 CD set for this one song!

Name: Glenn Sauter
Time: 1998-02-24 12:00:54
Comments: I just wanted to let all the BSN readers know that finally we will have the stereo mixes of Johnny Preston on CD. Bear Family will soon release a single CD entitled Charming Billy: The Stereo Recordings BCD 16234AH. This CD will contain the title cut plus "Cradle Of Love," "Feel So Good," "Leave My Kitten Alone," "I Want A Rock-n-Roll Guitar," "Do What You Did" and "Chief Heartbreak" in stereo among others!

Name: mike Arcidiacono
From: NYC
Time: 1998-02-25 01:05:49
Comments: Re: the Monkees.......I discovered something interesting today. I was playing the CD reissue of More Of The Monkees. In comparing it to my stereo LP, on the CD, "I'm Not Your Stepping Stone" is the 45 mix, where they edited in the chorus of "I-I-I-Im Not Your Steppin' Stone after the tom tom fills. On the LP, there is no edit, just the backing chords. Very Interesting. I now assume that the LP version has never made it onto CD. Mikey

Name: Boppin' Brian
Time: 1998-02-26 01:19:37
Comments: A bit of a break in the action, folks. What I'd really like to see reissued on CD are some of the pre-stereo '50s r&b/r&r/pop hits that have never sounded the same since their original single releases. Whether you call it reverb, phasing, tape-delay or whatever, the original recordings were re-tweezed for subsequent issue, the original, pristine single's sound lost to the ages. Perhaps by some record label honcho's decree from on high that the tunes would garner more broad-based appeal if "juiced up a bit", the original tapes all got dosed with a hefty helping of ECHO. Although I have a more complete list somewhere (you list-makers, you know who you are!!), a few of the hits I recall off the top of my head that fall into this category are: "Earth Angel" - Penguins, "Gee" - Crows, "Have Mercy Baby" - Dominoes, featuring Clyde McPhatter, "Money Honey" - Drifters, "You Send Me" - Sam Cooke, "Don't Ask Me to Be Lonely" - Dubs, "When You Dance" - Turbans, "Get A Job" - Silhouettes, "In the Still Of the Night" - Five Satins... and a whole bunch of others. Several from this small sampling have been correctly remastered back to their original single sound (From the master tapes). As for the others, they are still, to my knowledge, wallowing in the depths of echo-land. It's really amazing to hear the difference when you can get ahold of an original 45 (or, believe it or not, 78 - hope that doesn't open a can of worms.. ). Once you've heard "You Send Me" from the original, black & silver Keen label vinyl 45 it's like a revelation - to actually hear what's been missing (or masked - layered over for decades of reissues). Who knows, maybe the only way we'll ever hear the "original sound" on a reissue is to get the first pressing singles and get a "custom" CD made.

Well, meanwhile back in more familiar STEREO territory, I suppose this could've been covered in past newsletter reviews (insert "back issues" plug here .. Any lyin' around?!?), but, here goes anyways . . I was wondering if it's just me or on the Four Seasons' 2nd Gold Vault of Hits LP [Philips PHS 600-221] are the Vee Jay cuts "wider" sounding? (perhaps re-mixed, even back then..?? I do not have the Stereo Vee Jay LPs to compare). Sure sound a bit different to me and, here again it could be me... just used to inferiorly mastered reissues.. these are the original Vee Jay hit versions on 2nd Gold Vault..", not re-recordings (right?) -- as I recall the group retained ownership of their masters (then lost some!!). O.K., now the point I'd like to get at is WHAT would be the best 1 (2?) CD purchases for a comprehenive Vee Jay/Philips 4 Seasons collection ??? The Ace Edizione D'Oro strikes out with it's uncharateristic (Bill Inglot, sneaking into the "mix"?!?) reverting to mono where stereo cuts shoulda - coulda been used. Is Rhino's CD reissue of their 25th box any different than the prior LP issue? Is it just me or is sometimes a better sound found on a mint 25 cent yard sale first pressing LP than on some of the shodily-mastered CDs?!? I know that Bob Irwin raised the issue of earliest ("-1A") Simon & Garfunkel LPs sounding spectacular in his notes inside the recent 3 CD box/book set. Was it because Sony/Col. doesn't control the publishing on some of the early non-original S&G tunes that they were left out of this 3 cd set (when they could've fit easily)? And I hate that they jumbled running order and, worst of all used the "crossfades" -- wouldn't a TRUE 1st generation master of "America" & the "Bridge.." tracks that are "mixed" / "crossfaded" be without the marred intros (sans portions of applause, etc., from previous song)??

How weird is that? dept.: With the dialogue on Atlantic/Atco/Tommy Dowd's mid- late-'50s switch to stereo, I was wondering what's the deal on the Warner Special Products (JCI?) CD compilation Radio Hits '55 -'59 with a primitive, not-so-"wide" stereo sounding LaVern Baker "Tweedlee Dee"?!?! Much the same sound as heard on some of the early '50s Dootone recordings on the Ace Vernon Green & the Medallions CD. I'm no engineer, but maybe would older tapes sound this way if played back on modern equipment? After all, how many of the machines used back in the '50s are still around &/or working today? If two mikes were used in recording, before stereo, would this tape sound like primitive stereo when remastered on modern/stereo equipment, 2-track, 4-track, whatever? I'm thinking about some of the recent M-G-M movie sountracks that have stereo dating back to WWII & before .. I guess I need someone to do some 'splainin to me on this subject. Also, I agree that maybe the MONOmania RHINOvirus could be cleared up if the entire RHINO catalog was given the treatment afforded the various Rhino/"Turner Classic Movies" series entries I've heard. Worth noting though is the fact that, in some instances, a soundtrack recording isn't always the hit/record/single recording. How about this for a "slipped disc" - from the other MONO-only "baddie", Motown : "Check Yourself" the second Temptations single in stereo on the Motown Legends CD [37463 8511-2]?!? (How great would it be to have all the "pre-hit" stuff from the Temptations, Miracles, Supremes, "Little" Stevie Wonder, etc. released in stereo?!?) I haven't bought anything from them since the 4 cd mono-thru-to-late-'60s Miracles box/book. I really would like to hear stuff like "Baby Baby Don't Cry" in stereo, hiss-free. The "20-bit" reissues of late sound interesting, but no matter what new-fangled technology is applied, the sound's only going to be as good as the tapes. The original master tapes must be used (If they can be located!). Relic, Ace, Bear Family, they seem to set the standard. I'm sure there was some other essential "inside dope" I wanted to prattle on about here, but it'll have to wait until next time. A final bit of nonsense - nifty how the text after some computer hi - tech twiddling of some sort, I guess, ends up with the names of artists in bold-faced type. Does this mean that I could call some attention to an underappreciated r&b legend by merely typing the following : Andre Williams & the Don Juans / 5 Dollars ?!?!?

[ It just might... :-) MC]


Name: Ken Garland
Time: 1998-02-26 01:22:47
Comments: Marty, "When I Was Young" is 1967, and is on Volume 8 of History of British Rock from Rhino.

Name: Bob Olivia
From: Burbank, Ca.
Time: 1998-02-26 05:00:10
Comments: To Luke Pacholski..Yes I have closely listened to the mono "What'd I Say, Parts 1 and 2" from Time Life 1959, and stereo versions from Warner Special Products and a Special Atlantic Comp released a couple of years ago. They are definitely from the same take, just edited differently, contrary to what Larry Davis hears on his original 45. This is like the comparison to the Beatles mono and stereo versions. If you're a mono buff, we can't agrue with you. A classic example is to hear "Dream Lover" by Bobby Darin in mono, then in stereo. You can hear Neil Sedeka on the piano so much clearer on the stereo version. Then listen to the Crests', "The Angels Listened In," where the stereo version gives you goosebumps. There's so much happening in the background with the singers and instruments which you can barely hear in the mono version. I rest my case.

Name: Mike Arcidiacono
From: NYC
Time: 1998-02-26 13:52:02
Comments: Re: Ed Ames. The RCA 45 of "My Cup Runneth Over" had a GREAT flip side "It Seems a Long Long Time". The A side has been reissued on CD numerous times, but this great B side hasn't at all. It was not on the Cup LP. Does anybody know if this song was on any Ed Ames LP, and if its in stereo? I would really love to get a stereo dub of this one. Thanks!! Mikey

Name: Mike Arcidiacono
From: NYC
Time: 1998-02-26 14:09:17
Comments: Regarding the latest issue of BSN, the comments by Mike about the record companies and the back catalouge. From all the information I've gotten, I really don't think that we will ever be able to order "one shot" custom CDs from the labels, at least not the big 5. I think it would be WAY too time consuming for them without much profit. I dont think they could justify the 3 or 4 man hours needed to burn one CD for the 20 or so dollars it would bring in. However, I really DO believe that we will see (even as an experiment), the labels offering Liquid Audio (or some equivalent) files of selected parts of their catalouge over the internet for a set fee per song. This is already happening with some labels, just not with oldies material, not yet. I think this is much more realistic, because it requires almost no work on the part of the labels...once the files are put up, and the credit card authorization system set up, thats it!!! You can buy/download as many files as you wish, because you are just making a copy of thier file, theres very little work involved. I think we will see this come about, and soon. Everybody wins in this scenario, and the more people buy, the more material the labels will digitize and offer for sale. This would be a way for the labels to squeeze income out of material that would NEVER get reissued because of the "ten thousand" units rule. Even a few hundred sales this way is profitable. EMI, are you listening?? Any comments? Mike

Name: Luke Pacholski
Website: LukPac.org
From: Madison, WI
Time: 1998-02-26 15:28:58
Comments: Brian re: S&G... Sure, Sony could have easily included the output from all 5 LPs and more, but then what do they have to sell people later? I know it may seem like we are getting shortchanged, but they have to leave some material free for the individual CD reissues... As for crossfades, I don't mind the "Save the Life of My Child"/"America" one *as much*, since those songs were mixed that way on the LP... That is not to say I wouldn't like to hear clean (i.e., no crossfade) versions of both, but... When the Bookends CD is reissued, I won't have any qualms about the crossfades, but it would be nice to hear them clean on a box set... As for "Song For The Asking," (I believe), that was just plain silly. They didn't include the version of "Bye Bye Love" from Bridge (which is fine), so I have no idea why they decided to include the 'live' audience...

Name: Marty Blaise
Website: The Blaise Page
From: Houston, Texas
Time: 1998-02-26 16:54:54
Comments: This may be old news, but I just came across a Kelloggs "Best To You" Music Offer in a grocery coupon section of the newspaper. There are four CDs to choose from: Classic Rock, County, Motown and Pop. More information can be found at http://www.kelloggs.com/polygram/index.html, which includes a list of the tracks on each CD. It looks like they may not be full length CDs, and I am not sure of the stereo content. Seeing this ad reminded me of Mike's comments in the front of one of those old Osborn record guides where he talked about stereo albums. The one where he said the tv ad that came on at 3 a.m. and went by real fast with the announcer talked 100 mph saying this album has the following artists this price buy it now etc. - and then that album was the only one with a true stereo track of a certain recording.

Name: J.R. Risinger
Time: 1998-02-26 21:40:23
Comments: Just to change the subject for a minute. Anyone aware of a cataloging program for Win 95? While my CD collection is not that huge, my aging brain can't seem to keep track of what of have, what I need, what I thought I had... you get the picture. Am I the only one having this problem? Any help?

Name: Larry Davis
From: Longview, Washington
Time: 1998-02-26 22:55:02
Comments: J.R., my PC came pre-loaded with SmartSuite 97 from Lotus. It included a database called Lotus Approach. I'm happy with its features. It's reasonably easy to customize for whatever type of records you want to keep track of. It also has some "canned" templates pre-setup for collections of videos, etc. If you're willing to work at creating a data base from scratch, this one will do anything you can think of. And it has a built-in tutorial and exhaustive help menus. For Windows 95 and Windows NT 4.0 on CD ROM.

Name: Michael R. Fiedler
From: Minneapolis, MN
Time: 1998-02-27 00:16:38
Comments: This is in response to a couple of posts about PC databases. I have a music database of over 15,000 music titles with date charted, chart #, title, artist, label, time and background on the group plus the # of the song I am adding to the database. I have been using a program for about 10 years called Q & A (made by Symantec) that I have been extremely happy with. You won't notice much difference on databases as long as they're in your computer, but when you go to print them, that is where the rubber hits the road, so to speak. The reason I bought Q & A was because of its ability to word wrap on columns within columns, when printing a report. Most databases will only do word wraps on the final or Superfield. Q&A word wraps on all fields. If you look at the report, it kind of auto adjusts everything. The one drawback with Q & A is that it is now an obsolete product and is no longer being made by Symantec.....they still support it, and I believe you can still buy it. I have been experimenting with Microsoft Access for the past two years and that seems to be okay also, except if your dates don't get filled in all the way across.......12/--/97, it will clear that date when you try to do a sort.....Q & A will sort that date for you. Also, Access when printing a report, has to be set up for the maximum amount of room the largest possible field would ever take up, otherwise it truncates some of the info. However, in setting it up for the largest field, you end up wasting a lot of space when printing the report, because all the boxes end up the same size. I found out by experimenting, that if you import Q&A into Microsoft Excel, you can make Excel print just like Q&A with auto sizing. Q&A imports okay into Excel & Access, but the "quotation marks get converted to 'apostrophes. We have Approach at work on a couple of computers, and personally I don't care much for it......I think it is too limiting. I would say Microsoft Access should be a good solution for the average person, and you'll get a 32 bit upgradeable Windows program.......that way you don't have to worry about converting your files across like I am going to have to do with Q&A (although that isn't really too big of a deal). Hope this helps some.

Name: Charles Wagon
From: Toledo, Ohio
Time: 1998-02-27 06:02:48
Comments: Re: J.R.'s looking for a catalog program...the database programs mentioned like Approach, Q&A, Access etc. are not for the casual computer user...depending on your time and skills, you may be better off with a simpler "off the shelf" music catalog software package, and there are many around. Go to shareware,com and search by music, or try doing a net search by CD catalog software, etc.




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