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Name: ed rothstein Website: The Big Beat! From: Baltimore, Maryland Time: 1998-07-01 23:24:30 Comments: Anyone have a good source for Bear Family releases at good prices? I love 'em but can't afford them. :) |
Name: Jim
Warrick From: Burke, VA Time: 1998-07-02 06:02:36 Comments: 1. I recently discovered two Hollies CD collections on the Internet - 2 CD Singles Collection and 2 separate CDs - Abbey Road Vol. 1 & 2. Anyone know what the quality is on these CDs? What is the best quality Hollies collection out there? 2. Has the Nighthawks' spinoff - Switchblade - ever issued a CD? 3. Anyone ever seen a Victor import called Best of Spector Sound? Thanks for any help anyone can provide. |
Name: Christopher
(Dr.D.) Dolmetsch From: Hurricane, WV/USA Time: 1998-07-02 10:35:53 Comments: Does anyone have any info they can share on the sound quality and stereo content of the 2-CD Del Shannon 1961-1990 collection on Raven? To my astonishment I see webstores with *several* different catalogue numbers and prices being given for what I assume to be a single compilation. Are there variations in the composition and quality of these differently numbered versions? Thanks! |
Name: Jerry Griffith From: Regina, Sask. Canada Time: 1998-07-02 11:30:17 Comments: Can anyone help me?? I'm having great difficulty in locating two recordings on CD. I would sincerely appreciate any information on the following: (1) "What's Up" by The Destinys (or anything by the group) written by (I presume a group member) Johnny Degelia. (2) "Loch Loman" by the Castle Kings. |
Name: David
Clark From: Ottawa Time: 1998-07-02 17:24:55 Comments: To Jim Warrick...The Best Of Spector Sound was out in 1985 from Japan. I've never seen it since, and it is notable for containing true stereo versions of the "4" Ronettes tunes ("Be My Baby," "Baby, I Love You," "Do I Love You," " Walkin' In The Rain"), either from tapes or VERY clean, quiet LPs. |
Name: Cary E.
Mansfield From: Varese Vintage Time: 1998-07-02 22:24:41 Comments: Upcoming Varese Vintage Releases: Neil Sedaka - Sedaka's Back [VSD-5902]; Neil Sedaka - The Hungry Years [VSD-5948] Neil Sedaka - Steppin' Out [VSD-5952].... July 28, 1998: Various Artists - Sunshine Days, Pop Classics Of The '60s Volume Four [VSD-5932] and Volume Five [VSD-5933]; The Free Design - Kites Are Fun-The Best Of The Free Design [VSD-5954]; Clique - Clique [VSD-5953]. August 11, 1998: Gary US Bonds - The Very Best Of Gary US Bonds [VSD-5938]; Various Artists - Rock 'N' Roll Legends-Live [ VSD-5947, VHV-5947]. September 8, 1998: Various Artists - Barry Scott Presents The Lost 45's [VSD-5955] |
Name: Steve
Baird From: Baton Rouge Time: 1998-07-03 09:51:43 Comments: I had been talking with another oldies collector that pointed out how bad the Motown material sounds on most CDs. That prompted me to take another listen to many of the CDs I had in my collection, and I had come to the same conclusion as he (hence the posting I made last week asking about Wilson Pickett, the Marvelettes and the Four Tops -- to Dr D, ahem, you should hear the Four Tops hits on the Command Performances CD. They are substantially better there than on any other disk I have yet to hear, with the exception of the recent Rock 'n' Roll Relix series featured in the Newsletter.) Then I was out at Circuit City the other day and found this $4.99 budget CD called Motown Legends - Girl Groups in the racks (314 520 299-2). What a shock and surprise! This is the best sound I have yet to hear for the following songs -- Martha & The Vandellas: Jimmy Mack (S); Gladys Knight & The Pips: I Heard It Through The Grapevine (S); Marvelettes: Don't Mess With Bill (S); Supremes: I'm Livin' In Shame (S); Supremes: My World Is Empty Without You (S); Supremes: Reflections (S); Mary Wells: The One Who Really Loves You (S); Mary Wells: Two Lovers (S); Martha & The Vandellas: Dancing In The Street (S); Martha & The Vandellas: Heat Wave (S). Note that all tracks are stereo. Is this a fluke, or has anyone else had the same experiences with the other disks in this cheap series? This is NOT the Legends series with the brown colored booklets that came out a few years ago; this series sports black or purple booklets. I would be interested in hearing from other collectors who have tried some of the disks in this series. |
Name: Tom
Daly Website: Skyline From: Metro Boston Time: 1998-07-03 13:47:04 Comments: To Steve Baird: I'd be curious to know if "Jimmy Mack" is the 45 version, finally in stereo, or the LP version which is a different take. I'd chatted with Al Quaglieri just after Motown canned the Year-by-Year series, and he told me he had found a tape for the single version and would have used it in the series had they not ended it. My guess is that the disc to which you are referring however, contains the LP version. |
Name: David R.
Modny Time: 1998-07-03 21:34:07 Comments: Regarding Hollies reissues - In the vast sea of Hollies' reissues, here are a few that come to mind. For high quality stereo content, the benchmark was set by EMI's 30th Anniversary Collection. Although now out of print, I believe it may still be available from BMG. Here, Ron Furmanek went back to the original multi's and re-mixed them into beautiful stereo. Another great sounding (with mostly stereo content), currently available disc, is EMI's three disc set Special Collection. It's a great overview (budget series too!) with some choice album cuts thrown in. Regardless of what you may have heard elsewhere, stay far away from the Abbey Road series. Almost entirely lo-fi mono mixes, with in my opinion, some highly dubious remastering from Peter Mew of EMI. The already "midrangey' single mixes sound harsher and more painful than I've ever heard them before. I don't yet own the Dutch Singles Collection - so I can't vouch for it's quality. Hope this helps a little. |
Name: Michael R.
Fiedler Time: 1998-07-04 15:09:21 Comments: Does anyone know if the Anita Bryant All the Hits and More on the Marginal label (MAR 107) contains the original versions of her Carlton hits; not the Columbia remakes? I have nothing to reference them to...the insert picture looks like a Columbia reproduction and the liner notes allude to her recording her first album for Columbia. Mike |
Name: Curtiss
Carpenter Website: Ripete Records From: Pinebluff North Carolina Time: 1998-07-05 05:44:15 Comments: This is in reply to Mike Raphone's comment about Ripete Records utilizing Bootlegs and/or illegal copies of songs. All songs released on Ripete projects require signed contracts from the recordings copyright owner. We are constantly recieving DAT's/CD-Rs with Rare Stereo versions of songs that people would like us to release. Only if we can get the rights to these songs and if these songs match the overall theme of a project do we use these copies. There is no law reguarding where you get your source, as long as you pay the mechanical, publishing and reproduction rights. We can be contacted at www.ripete.com and I can be reached at cammy@pinehurst.net. -- Curtiss Carpenter, Engineer, Ripete Records |
Name: Larry Davis From: Longview, Washington Time: 1998-07-05 08:22:26 Comments: The Marginal CD in question does contain the Carlton originals. Although it says digitally remastered, I'm not sure of its source. The sound is like the label, marginal. Not bad, especially considering how hard it's been to find these Carlton hits in any kind of decent sound, but I doubt that they used anything close to source tapes. |
Name: Tom
Daly Website: Skyline From: Metro Boston Time: 1998-07-05 09:30:34 Comments: My experience with the Marginal label is that they use a lot of disc dubs, rolling-off the high end to mask the surface noise. Often, the intros are clipped. The Della Reese disc wasn't too bad, but the song I wanted, "Not One Minute More" had the intro faded in. I'll stay away from Marginal in the future. It would be interesting to know if the Anita Bryant disc contains the stereo Carlton tracks or just the more common mono mixes. |
Name: Paul
Stoddard From: Boston, MA Time: 1998-07-05 11:41:38 Comments: This is in response to Mike Raphoney's ranting and raving in the previous posts: It's very easy for you to log on here and spew a bunch of platitudes about respecting the rights of the major record labels. Since you've done this several times, you must be a shill for one of them. On the surface of things, it sounds like you're taking the high moral ground and admonishing the sinners. But, scratch the surface a little and one finds that you are really a crusader for the status quo. Rephrasing your preachings to what they really mean gives us: "Do not buy the CDs that contain the songs that you really want to collect: just continue to let the major labels gouge and screw you while they make millions putting out junk like Spice Girls, Pearl Jam, and rap garbage." I, for one, will respect the majors when they respect me, the collector. Cite an instance of one major today that is giving collectors what they want: you can't. Warner produces poor-sounding LP reissues made from the LP production masters. Atlantic/ Rhino produces nothing but mono for anything before 1969. MCA is stuck on the Chess catalog and can't seem to get beyond it. BMG's reissues are pitiful special products releases that you can't even get from normal sources, the Sam Cooke notwithstanding. Polygram has caught mono-itis on its Motown releases and shelved the fantastic Year-By-Year series, and there has been little or nothing from the other Polygram labels of any merit. Capitol/EMI's reissue division is non-existent! Even Varese Vintage is recycling the same old stuff that is available on dozens of other reissue packages. No thanks! About the only label that even comes close to having a good attitude toward collectors is Sony, but their reissue program runs in fits and starts. Ripete, Taragon, Eric, Renaissance, Sundazed, and, to some degree, Collectables are the legitimate labels providing the bulk of what I purchase now. The rest comes from the "grey" labels. Do I feel any compunction about supporting these "criminals", as you call them? Nope, not one bit! Do I feel guilty about depriving the majors of their just due? Nope again, because I can't buy from the majors the things that are coming out on the grey labels. If I could buy an equivalent package from one of the "legitimate" labels, I would do so, and leave the grey goods on the shelf, but I can't so I don't. |
Name: Mark
Mathews From: L.I., New York Time: 1998-07-05 13:17:11 Comments: Hello All! My answer is yes, I will spend money on any product that gives me audio material that the "major" labels obviously will not. On RARE occasion, when a major puts out something really worthy, I'm there with my money. But then what? Where's the rest? Where are more Nipper's Greatest Hits volumes? How 'bout that Rock Artifacts series that died at Vol. 4? I'm sooooooo tired of hearing the "industry" cry that revenues are down and all that money for outrageous CD prices goes into A/R...yeah right. Oh, when I buy a bootleg I'm taking away from artist's royalties, too? Oh let's talk about all the artists from the '50s/'60s who are getting their fair share from the majors..... I met an old janitor once who still sees his work packaged and ready for sale in record stores, but hasn't seen a dime for 40 years. Maybe some of *his* money could be put back into producing some quality re-issues. In a perfect world, there would be no need for "bootlegs" (I call them "alternate source providers") because no one would buy them, they would buy the high quality, well researched, well mastered CDs that large corporations are filling the shelves with. Then my money would go there, wouldn't it? But what's your opinion? We'd like to know. -MM [ As for Rock Artifacts, the main forces behind that were Bob Irwin (production), Vic Anesini (engineering), and me (liner notes). It was a fun project, but I can tell you it cost me months of work doing the research, and I'm sure it cost Bob and Vic at least as much time. When you have to make that kind of commitment to excellence, you need to be able to find that kind of time in your schedule. Currently, none of us have it, so the series got put on the shelf, even though we had started the outlines of the next two volumes back in 1991. It also doesn't help that various artists compilations are notoriously bad sellers, so it would take some "selling" at the corporate level to get the project back on the board. As for the Nipper series, it died when Ron Furmanek stopped working for RCA. This is the kind of commitment it takes to do a project "right." Any fool can throw together a collection of 45s on a bootleg CD, and buying bootleg CDs without listening first is just a "tax on stupid," regardless of what your ethics are. MC |
Name: Steve Massie Time: 1998-07-05 13:19:47 Comments: For those that don't know (and Pat Downey is one of them) the Anita Bryant CD on Collectables (although licensed from Sony) does contain the ORIGINAL Carlton singles. "Paper Roses" and "In My Little Corner Of The World" are the stereo versions; "Til There Was You" is re-channeled. And it does contain her Columbia charting single "The World Of Lonely People" in true stereo. As for "Mike Raphone", let's remember one thing...this is a chat board where people are allowed to express their opinions freely without censorship. [-- Well, up to a point... -- MC] I do agree that he should use his real name, but making threats against him is not exactly the Democratic way of doing things. And one thing is lost in this bootleg vs. major label argument: granted, the majors are easy to pick on because they make so much money and are pretty much anonymous companies, but the real loss in the bootleg industry is to the songwriters and artists themselves. Many of those artists made nothing originally and they certainly aren't going to make anything off the bootlegs. If the bootleggers at least made an effort to pay publishing royalties it might not be so bad. But they are making all of the money on these with no investment other than a DAT tape, some records, and the pressing of the CDs. Their total investment probably doesn't exceed $2.50 and yet they are selling them to us collectors at around $20. Talk about your basic mark-up! Also, Paul Stoddard knocks the labels for nothing new and includes Varese in that list. Paul, even though I've done extensive work with them, they don't need me to defend them (and believe me, I'm not paid to), but I will. Obviously you don't know what goes in to licensing stuff. Any time I compile a CD for them I have to include anywhere from 10-15 extra tracks just because they're going to be turned down on so many of them. You don't just put your wish list together and then watch it all fall in place. A lot of times major labels will just refuse to license something because they feel it's something they may want to do some day. And some artists contracts are such that the royalty rate they would have to pay would be outrageous and make doing that project too expensive to even think about. And for every track licensed for a CD not only do contracts with each rights holder have to negotiated but so do royalties with each individual publishing company. Another point is that even though a reissue label may get the majority of the tracks for a CD at a reasonable cost, if one of the rights holder's demands a higher royalty rate for their track, then chances are all of the other rights holder's for tracks on that CD will also have to get that higher rate making it too expensive to do unless you eliminate that one track. These are just a few of the myriad of problems that re-issue labels face each day in trying to "do the right thing" for collectors. So all of us collector have to have a little more understanding of what goes in to doing this before making blanket or personal criticisms. And you know what they say "if you can do it better, go ahead. It's a free world". |
Name: John K.
Walker From: Phoenix, AZ Time: 1998-07-05 20:22:20 Comments: RE: New Monkees' Anthology double-cd from Rhino. Does anyone know whether the "single version" tag listed against several tracks such as "Pleasant Valley Sunday" and "Words" really translates into "mono"? Since this new compilation seems to be a cut-down of the 4-cd boxed set (which I do not happen to own) which BSN says contains these tracks in stereo (but remixed in some cases), I hope against hope that this warning only relates to using the original stereo mixes. Because the relationship is very simple: If I know that all of these tracks are in stereo I will buy the package; if not, I won't. |
Name: Mark
Mathews From: L.I. New York Time: 1998-07-05 21:31:39 Comments: On a lighter note, speaking of that outstanding Rock Artifacts series formerly on Sony/Legacy (Hi Mike!) someone posted a request for Volume 4, now the hardest to find. If you fit the description of that person who so desperately wanted it, I found an extra copy so e-mail me whoever you are! Also, thank you Steve for the info on Anita Bryant CD, now i'll buy it knowing that. Geee, companies could sell more CD's if there was more info like that on the *outside* of the package, seems like even the good ones are a guessing game unless you read about 'em here first. Oh well, one thing at a time.....-MM |
Name: Paul
Stoddard From: Boston, MA Time: 1998-07-06 10:42:15 Comments: To Steve Massie: Steve, I'm not an outsider to the music industry, having worked in the wholesale and retail end of things for about 20 years. I also co-ran a reissue label for 45s from 1981 through 1986, so I'm intimately familiar with the vagaries of licensing. The bottom line in all of the licensing considerations is money. Companies have to be able to bring in a reissue package for a price, and if they can't meet that price, then they compromise on the standards that they've set for themselves. It's these compromises that turn collectors off. I can't speak for the rest of the collectors on this forum, but, if one of the labels decided to do a series that featured 20 tracks per disc of hard-to-find stereo material, mastered from the best available sources, and had to charge $20.00 per disc, I'd be there! Another thing that turns collectors off is mastering from vinyl. Most vinyl transfers on current CDs are immediately identifiable as such, yet it doesn't have to be this way. I've been shown by an expert sound engineer (Hi Tom!) that remastering from vinyl does not have to sound bad, and, in most cases, can equal the sound of a tape source. However, this takes time, expertise, and money. The labels don't want to put such resources into their catalog divisions. Small entrepreneurs who do have the time, equipment, and dedication, and are willing to do the work are closed out of the market by ridiculous licensing requirements by the majors. Just as an example, the current minimum for licensing a track from WEA is an up-front payment for 20,000 pieces, and that's just for a standard, production master. If you want a tape vault search done for a better master, then the cost per unit goes up considerably. The other majors have similiar, albeit smaller, requirements, but none are less than 10,000 pieces. The average cost per piece is about $0.15, which leads to an initial per-track cost of anywhere between $1500.00 and $3000.00. This does not include the mechanical, or songwriter, royalties of $0.07 per track, which adds another $700.00 to $1400.00 to the per-track costs. Multiply that by the number of tracks on the CD and you're starting to talk six or seven figures, without even thinking about manufacturing and packaging costs. This is sick, and shows just how little the majors care about the reissue market. About the only ones who can afford these minimums are the mass marketers like Westwood Promotions (Sessions) and Time-Life/Heartland (owned/controlled by WEA), who put out average product at best. No wonder alternate source providers exist. Although some of them are money-grubbing, profiteering thieves that put out shoddy product, others help to fill a large void in the marketplace. However, I have yet to meet the collector who would settle for a package from TNT, Radiola, Marginal, or CamPark when an equivalent package could be had from a legitimate source. With respect to the difficulties encountered by the reissue labels when putting together their packages, all I can say is that, in my humble opinion, it would be better to shelve the project than to put out a mediocre item that won't sell. This just feeds into a self-fulfilling prophecy that there's no money in reissues. I can foresee the time when the reissue market will be dominated by imports, even more so than it is now. The major labels will have gobbled up all of the older, independent label catalogs and, with their absurd licensing demands, will have forced the small reissue specialist labels out of business. I apologize for the length of this message, but allow me to close with an anecdote. When I was working with one of the major labels back in 1984 to get a particular 45 pressed, the special markets person with whom I was working told me that we'd have to press a minimum of 5000 pieces to get the license. Now, at that time, 5000 pieces was a pretty hefty order for a single. I asked the label contact how they had arrived at that number. He told me, off the record, that it had been selected by the VP of special markets in an attempt to discourage me from pursuing the matter. It didn't! |
Name: Marty Blaise Website: The Blaise Page From: Houston, Texas Time: 1998-07-06 16:46:34 Comments: I've been looking through my old copy of the Joel Whitburn book of the Top 40 hits. (Mine goes up to 1982). One thing I have noticed is the fact that "oldies" stations will rarely play all of an artists top 40 chart hits. In fact, there are thousands of songs that made the top 40 that I have never heard played. While I would certainly like to hear those songs in true stereo, at the least I would like to hear them once. Here's an example: We've all heard "China Grove" and "Long Train Running" by the Doobie Brothers a zillion times. When was the last time you heard "Another Park Another Sunday," or "Sweet Maxine?" These were top 40 chart songs by the Doobie Brothers! I don't even hear stations play these as "lost classics." Can you name ALL the America songs that made the top 40? Have you heard all of them? I guess what is intriguing me is those songs that made say, number 40, 39 or 38 and stayed on the top 40 for only a week or two. Does anyone know of some way I could get hold of those songs on cassette tape? Of course, I prefer stereo, but in some cases just hearing the song would satisfy my curiosity. One of the Houston stations will play almost every Led Zeppelin song, single or album track, except for "Trampled Under Foot." Seems strange to me that a top 40 song would be omitted from the playlist. I apologize if this message doesn't fit this forum. Maybe someone can point me to a forum for lost oldies. I would love to trade tapes, if that is legal. Actually, I'll bet some of those songs that never made it past number 30 on the top 40 are pretty good and have just been forgotten. Maybe DJs don't remember these or else they aren't on any CDs. Maybe I should look for them at a flea market and try to find them on old 45s for 10 cents each. If anyone has any suggestions, knows where to get these rarities(?) in stereo or mono or anything, let me know. By the way, Chrispian St. Peters was NOT a one-hit wonder! Go check your top 40 book! Good listening. |
Name: Joe
Fornarotto From: New Jersey Time: 1998-07-06 20:19:38 Comments: Wow!!!!!! Great stuff here on this debate with the money hungry majors and the almost caring independents. Anyone out there defending some of the majors is just plain nuts. If we keep waiting for some decent re-issues from the majors ,we'll all be too old to be able to hear these things!!!!!!!!!! Don't get me started..... I don't want to ramble on too long but lets start with my favorite...Capitol/EMI or whatever they call themselves these days. Will we ever see a new Collectors series issue or Legendary Masters titles. Maybe someday the Peter and Gordon collection w/the true stereo "Woman" will come out. Yeah Right!!!!! Most of the majors,no matter what they put out always find a way to screw it up anyway and then come up with some lame excuse why it happened. Here's one..."Tightrope Ride" from the Doors box set...taken from vinyl..noisy vinyl too! There was no tape source available for this song? Well gotta go ,this could go on all night...you get the idea.....Thanks to Mike for this space to blow off some steam... |
Name: Marty Blaise Time: 1998-07-06 23:22:46 Comments: Just one more thing in addition to my previous comments. Does anyone know of a web site or sites where I might find midi files of songs that were "lower" charters on the top 40? Such as the ones I mentioned? Thanks. |
Name: Tom
Daly Website: Skyline From: Metro Boston Time: 1998-07-07 09:06:54 Comments: To Steve Massie: I agree with you on the point that bootlegs screw the artists and songwriters out of royalties, however in the oldies business, they may not be entitled to any in the first place. I'm not talking about Billy Joel, Elton John or Bruce Springsteen. I'm talking about The Ronettes, Huey "Piano" Smith & the Clowns, and anyone who ever recorded for a label Morris Levy owned. These artists were paid flat fees for their performance, which then gave the label owners total control over the recordings. Hell, Levy even stuck his name on compositions he had no creative input over ("I'm Not a Juvenile Delinquent" by Frankie Lymon comes to mind). It's even gotten worse since the copyright laws were amended. It used to be that after a time, copyrights on recordings and compositions would revert to being public domain. Now, they can be renewed ad infinitum. Where's the justice in this? Someone can own the copyright to something written 100 years ago that had nothing to do with it in the first place? I believe the copyright law should be further amended: Copyrights on recordings and compositions should belong only to the artist(s) and creative persons involved and should expire when they do. Since Elvis has passed, ALL of his recordings and compositions should be public domain. His estate, BMG and whoever else had no input on his recordings, so why should they control them? BMG didn't even exist when RCA first issued the records. This "intellectual property" stuff is the reason the reissue business stinks. I've got a tape source for an Elvis hit that RCA never issued commercially, and it's in stereo. The hit was only issued in mono. I don't know if BMG knows that a stereo tape exists, but even if they do, since RCA or BMG never issued it, how can they claim they own it? The answer is GREED. Why else would someone like Allen Klein issue mono garbage when stereo tapes exist? Abkco wants to do no work because the general public will buy whatever crap they choose to issue. Collectors will buy bootlegs of Abkco properties because they offer either better sound than Abkco's issues or because, in the case of Cameo-Parkway, Abkco chooses not to issue at all. Imagine if Dee Dee Sharp Gamble owned the rights to her Cameo hits. Do you believe we'd be scrambling for legitimate issues of those tracks if she did? How about Bobby Rydell? Rumor has it Rydell WANTS his Cameo hits issued, and if that's what he wants, he should be able to have them issued. If the copyright laws were changed so that he HAD the rights to his performances, we'd get legitimate issues of his recordings, but no... we have to deal with ownership by Klein. I say, let the artists and composers control their "intellectual property" either until they leave this world or for a given period of time, say 50 years. After that, let it belong to the public. This way, an artist like John Fogerty would never have had to fight with Fantasy over his CCR recordings, The Ronettes wouldn't be suing Phil Spector, and collectors wouldn't have to buy bootlegs because ANY issue, after a time, would be considered legitimate. [ On the other hand, back when those artists were being paid a flat fee for their performances, it was a business decision. The record companies bet that the songs would sell, and the artists didn't. The artists made the deal they wanted. Nobody forced them to record. In retrospect, we look at the good business deals the record companies made for the relatively few big sellers and claim the artists were ripped off. Now, what about all those flat fees paid to the hundreds of times as many artists who stuffed? Using the same logic on their good business deals, do we now request those failed artists to come up with the fees back, plus all the interest accumulated over the years? Get real. "Intellectual property?" Come on. If I sold something in 1962 that turned out to be worth millions today, do I now have the right to sue for being ripped off? I sold it, and I have to take the responsibility that I sold it. It was a risk that I had to assume at the time. Quit trying to SELECTIVELY rewrite history. Yes, some artists did get ripped off, but when I hear people whining that every artist got ripped off by every label, especially the majors, I just want to throw up. MC]
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Name: Tom
Daly Website: Skyline From: Metro Boston Time: 1998-07-07 09:21:35 Comments: Here's another thought: Everyone blames Dunhill for the high hiss levels and lousy sound for Dunhill masters. Consider this: The Mamas and Papas recordings were produced by Lou Adler. Steppenwolf and Three Dog Night were produced by Gabriel Mekler. Now, Sony now owns the tapes of Carole King's "Tapestry" album and Scott McKenzie's recordings (Adler), as well as Janis Joplin's solo material "Kozmic Blues" and "Pearl." All of these albums are hissy. My guess is that none of Adler's or Mekler's multis ever went to the labels. They still have the multis, which could be remixed to digital with excellent sound, if someone were willing to spend the time and money to do so. Anyone care to speculate on the accuracy of my hypothesis? |
Name: Randy Vest From: New York City Time: 1998-07-07 09:31:48 Comments: Speaking of Dee Dee Sharp and Abkco's hold on the Cameo-Parkway masters, I was recently given a copy of a CD that Dee Dee herself has had pressed up to sell at her personal appearances. It's all been mastered (and not very well) from vinyl copies of her Cameo recordings. I can't help but feel sad that the woman who made all of those hits and gave so much enjoyment to so many would have to resort to this to get her music heard again. And I assume she's aware of the CamPark, Marginal, et al releases but then she won't be seeing a dime from those. |
Name: Mike Hartman From: Vernon Hills, IL Time: 1998-07-07 14:16:09 Comments: To Marty Baise: We all would like to hear more of the songs on the radio that charted in the Top 40...but let me tell you how bad Chicago's oldies station is...I know you'd like to hear some songs that charted #30-to #40. Here in Chicago we'd like to hear some that charted in the TOP 10! Our station does not play in their roatation:" Image Of A Girl" (#6), "Wild One" (#2), "Because They're Young" (#4), "Let's Go, Let's Go, Let's Go" (#6), "Swingin' School" (#5), "I Want To Be Wanted" (#1) and I could keep going. By the way those are only a few from 1960. Oh sure twice a day they "open the vault" for a "forgotten oldie". I laugh each time I hear them because they are common songs that should be in their rotation anyway. |
Name: Steve
Baird From: Baton Rouge Time: 1998-07-07 14:47:13 Comments: A lot of what has been written here about the greed associated with the record business evokes a good deal of optimism in me, not because I would expect the record companies to see the light, but because so many of the folks who regularly visit this site tacitly acknowledge a common bond among those who come here to let others know what we have found. Somebody out there can make copies of what they have and trade for what I have. With regard to the majors who own all of the rights to nearly all of this grand old music, I'm reminded of that early sixties movie in which Oscar Werner played the role of the hero in Ray Bradbury's Farenheit 451. If you recall the story, the socialist regime outlawed books in an effort to keep the populace ignorant. It became the task of those who were sympathetic to the need for knowledge to memorize a book. They in turn would teach the book they had learned to another so that the history of man would never die. In this sense, I agree with the many who have posted their comments that bootlegs would not be needed if the owners of the music published it. As for Marty's comments about the lower top 40 hits being hard to find, I offer the following from my database. Of the 4189 songs that charted in the top 40 between 1/1/55 and 12/31/69, I have 2813 of them on CD. Of the 1376 I don't have, many are available, but I just don't have them since I'm not interested in Teresa Brewer, Tony Bennett, Johnny Cash, Perry Como, Bing Crosby, Julius LaRosa, The McGuire Sisters and Andy Williams. But digging a little deeper into the database, I find that there were 1770 songs to chart in positions 20 thru 40, and that of those I have 851 of them. Doing the math, that's 67% of all the top 40s, 81% of the top half, but only 48% of the bottom half. Marty is correct. The bottom part of the top 40 is harder to find at a rate of two to one. If the artist never had any other hits, what are your chances that you'll ever find the song? This brings up another point about commercial releases. How many times have you bought a greatest hits CD only to find that while there are numerous hits on them, there are often some omitted -- even though the CD contains some songs that never charted? |
Name: Larry
Naramore From: earth Time: 1998-07-07 21:57:19 Comments: Which albums/labels contain the original versions of Kenny Rogers hits, thank you. |
Name: Tom
Daly Website: Digital Skyline From: Metro Boston Time: 1998-07-08 07:45:59 Comments: To Larry Naramore: Kenny Rogers' first recordings were on Carlton. I believe at least one of them is available on a Stardust CD. He was then a member of The New Christy Minstrels. Those recordings are available from Collector's Choice Music (http://www.ccmusic.com). Next, there was the First Edition, whose original recordings for Reprise are now available on an MCA Special Markets package. When he went solo again, he signed with United Artists, which when sold to EMI became Liberty. Those recordings are available on a number of EMI discs, some Liberty, some CEMA Special Markets, some Capitol Nashville. After the UA/Liberty period, Kenny was on RCA. This covers the period of duets with Dolly Parton that charted pop, prior to returning to Reprise as a solo artist where he recorded at last notice. Most of the big solo hits, however, were for Liberty/UA. I'd suggest the "20 Greatest Hits" disc on Liberty, if you can find one. Considering the upheaval at EMI, I don't think it's still available. |
Name: Christopher
(Dr.D.) Dolmetsch From: Hurricane, WV/USA Time: 1998-07-08 10:00:21 Comments: I don't recall reading anything published yet about the two-disc Del Shannon Anthology (1961-1990) issued this year by Australia's Raven Records (RVCD-51), but upon the advice of a Del Shannon website, I purchased the set unheard (and at a considerable discount: about US $22). On the whole I would rate this an excellent retrospective of a somewhat underrated rock pioneer. The inclusion of true stereo mixes of some of Shannon's Big Top and Amy hits (although not necessarily the widest stereo of these I've ever heard) makes this a better deal than the Rhino collection or the more recent Music Club collection. Unfortunately "Keep Searchin' (Follow The Sun)" is *not* stereo, as listed. The stereo mix can be found on a recently released Shannon twofer CD, however. The second disc (covering the period of 1968-1990) is Shannon material with which many fans may be less familiar. It includes some obscure single sides, and a couple of live cuts from one of his last tours. The liner notes are disappointing, the more so in that there is neither any session information, nor a discography included, which we collectors now come to see as essential in such anthologies. On the whole I would rate this a "B." I somehow expect an American version of this anthology will appear in time, although if you can find it at a discount, why wait? |
Name: Marty Blaise Website: The Blaise Page From: Houston, Texas where there is too much freeway traffic Time: 1998-07-08 11:54:45 Comments: First of all, thanks to those who responded to my comments about the "lower top 40" charters. Now I'm determined to find those #30 through #40 charters in true stereo. Second, I got to thinking that in addition to the top 40 charts, there is also the top 100 and the "bubbling under" charts, so how would you feel if the only song you ever had chart was on the top 100 at #100 for one week? Or only if you "bubbled" under. I enjoy the record albums/cds which give a discography and history of the songs, plus sometimes the stereo information such as why didn't this single go higher on the charts? It would be nice for the CDs to include liner notes like that all the time. I'm not going to try and find those songs that charted #41 through #100 unless it's one I really, really want to get. I also wonder how someone would feel if their highest charter ever was #41. Anyone know if that ever happened? Third, I remember hearing a local radio station playing a "one-hit-wonder" weekend. While some of the stuff they played was a one-hit charter on the top 40, I have to disagree with three of their choices - "Signs" - Five Man Electrical Band ("Absolutely Right"???), "Green Eyed Lady" - Sugarloaf ("Don't Call Us???") and "Wild Thing" - Troggs ("Love Is All Around"???). I think they didn't quite do their research on those three songs. Songs in parentheses are the ones they apparently forgot about! I don't like to put down the radio stations, but it looks to me like they are doing kind of like the cd issues - the top stuff over and over, but rarely touching the lower charters. Fourth - "lost classics" on the radio - I think that could be a good opportunity to hear something in stereo, but I don't think the classics are "lost" enough for me. I'd like to hear "You, I" by the Rugbys or "Did You See Her Eyes" by the Illusion, but I don't think those will make the playlists. Anyway, enough rambling. I want to keep the focus on true stereo. I do enjoy this site and the newsletter because there are ways to find true stereo recordings with a little help and support from others. Thanks again to all for your tips and offers. I'll be sending my want lists soon. |
Name: Randy Price From: New York Time: 1998-07-08 23:12:20 Comments: Marty: From the inception of Billboard's Hot 100 the week of 8/4/58 through the end of 1990, there were exactly 152 songs that peaked at #41, among them: "Andrea" by The Sunrays, "Mr. Pitiful" by Otis Redding, "Kozmic Blues" by Janis Joplin, "Tiny Dancer" by Elton John and "(Wish I Could Fly Like) Superman" by the Kinks. |
Name: Christopher
(Dr.D.) Dolmetsch From: Hurricane, WV/USA Time: 1998-07-09 09:26:54 Comments: Does anybody out there know where Oldies radio stations get their discs? Specifically, I've heard fairly clean versions of Cameo/Parkway hits (including some fine stereo mixes) on the radio, not to mention stereo mixes of some singles which I've only been able to locate in mono on commercially available CDs. Furthermore, I've purchased "B" rated CDs of artists when these were considered "the best available," only to hear much cleaner, clearer, and wider stereo separation on the same songs come over my small car radio. So, is there an inside source we consumers are not privy to? |
Name: John
Adkins From: Phoenix Time: 1998-07-09 10:08:55 Comments: To help answer Dr. D's inquiry...probably "the" source for oldies stations' music libraries (yeah, all 80 songs that they play over and over again!) is the Gold Disc series from Century 21 Productions. Another archive was, a few years back when Dick Bartley did a short (6-7 min.?) daily syndicated piece--the title escapes me but I think it had to do with newly-unearthed stereo finds. The show was shipped on CD and it had, following each program segment, the featured songs "in the clear" for the station to use as part of their library. I'm not sure if he does anything similar on the American Gold CD. BTW--anyone know when Dick's website will materialize? I checked again a day or two ago and it was still "under construction." It's been that way for at least six months! I do wonder however why it takes some oldies stations so long to switch to a new stereo mix when it's finally available. One case in point is "Hang On Sloopy"--it took KOOL-FM/Phoenix about a year after the Sony CD came out (did it take Century 21 that long to edit it down to the 45 version, i.e., remove the extra verse?); and even six months after that I heard KRTH/Los Angeles still playing the old mono mix! I have to wonder just how high-tech is KRTH's library? (Charlie, be forewarned in case you do take their AM drive slot!) |
Name: Ed Rothstein Website: The Big Beat! Time: 1998-07-09 16:17:14 Comments: Check out "European" releases for some stereo and cleaned up Cameo-Parkway. I doubt that radio is using these releases but everything must come from somewhere. |
Name: don Website: Time: 1998-07-10 13:44:34 Comments: Just a word about the compilation discs from "Flashback," which appears to be a cheapo offshot of Rhino. You get about 30 mins. of music for under 8 bucks. If V.4 of Radio Hits of the '70's is an example, you get the 'right' versions (e.g., mono "Sweet Mary") in outstanding sound - generally much better than that you find on the Have a Nice Day compilations. |
Name: brian From: cal-ee-for-ni-a Time: 1998-07-10 15:52:36 Comments: I could swear I read here someone was looking for the import compilation cd series Jukebox Hits Well, I've got your hook up !! As dicussed here, this is something of a "gray area" item... but is definitely top-notch, "by collectors, for collectors"...lots of rare stuff & STEREO. Series had up to 4 volumes per year, from 1950 thru 1965. I have over 20 different volumes. ACT NOW !! Seriously, although I don't have an 800 number, I'd like to help the guy (gal?) who wants to add missing volumes to their collection, and at BARGAIN BASEMENT PRICES ! . Here's the problemo--at present,, I have no means to receive e-mail, and I hesitate putting up my home address/phone # here, so I guess the best way for us to connect is thru this "chat" forum. If you leave a message & contact info./e-mail #, I'll check back here, then get back to you .BYE! |
Name: Larry
Naramore Time: 1998-07-10 20:38:35 Comments: Noticed today that Aron's records in Hollywierd had two copies of Sam Cooke's 22 track discs. I'm not sure if they do mail order? |
Name: Joe
Fornarotto From: New Jersey Time: 1998-07-10 21:16:43 Comments: Nice info on the "Sweet Mary" on the seventies Flashback CD. Does anyone have any information on any other odd mono/stereo tracks on this series? I already have the two Monkees titles which have some first time mono mixes and each disc has a previously unreleased recording. Does anyone have a track listing for the forthcoming Barry Scott collection, and lastly, does Dick Bartly have a weekly radio show broadcast in the New York area? Thanks |
Name: Dave
Sampson From: Ottawa, Canada Time: 1998-07-10 21:54:20 Comments: Concerning "Sweet Mary" from Wadsworth Mansion - could you tell me whether that version fades or has a cold ending? I've heard the single version with a cold ending but have never been able to find it. If it isn't on that disc, is there a reissue somewhere (vinyl or CD) that has the single version with the cold ending? Any help would be muchly appreciated. Thanks. |
Name: barry
margolis From: Minneapolis (armpit of the midwest) Time: 1998-07-10 23:53:41 Comments: Hey gang: Has anyone purchased any of the new "remastered" UK Kinks CDs? I'm gonna get "Something Else" and I'll let you all know if there's any reason to buy them. I'm also going to get the two German Repertoire Alan Price CDs. Most Americans know little about his UK Decca/US Parrot & Cotillion recordings, but they're all really great. I'm expecting these two CDs to be really good sounding, with little new stereo. Hey, maybe they did some mixing! (To my mind, his 1966 "I Put A Spell On You" - which is always mono or fake stereo - was one of the very best British singles to get airplay here. |
Name: Joe Jones From: Guantanamo Bay, Cuba Time: 1998-07-11 07:48:43 Comments: Brian wrote about Jukebox Hits - I've got volumes 1,2 & 4 and I'd be interested in vol. 3 and any subsequent volumes - please e-mail me - Thanks |
Name: Chris B From: St. Paris Time: 1998-07-11 12:01:08 Comments: Can anybody help me find a copy of the cd of The Essential Jimi Hendrix? I am looking for the song "Gloria". Also, my friend told me that he read that Led Zepplin put out the song the "Train Kept A Rollin". He claims that it was only released as a side B of the 45 "Whole Lotta Love". Is this true? If any can help me find these items, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks, Chris |
Name: Frank Wright From: Kansas City Time: 1998-07-11 14:29:39 Comments: I'm a longtime BSN fan, just now getting on line. I agree with all that has been said on these pages about record companies not providing collectors with what we desire. Out of frustration, I have started recording my own cd compilations from my 40+ years of record collecting. The sound quality sucks on many of the tracks, but at least I can get 74 minutes of the songs I want to hear, and create my own liner art and notes. I have made my own cd's for many of my favorite artists, who have been slighted or totally overlooked by the record industry. If you can't buy a cd by such people as Dodie Stevens, Joanie Sommers, Bobby Rydell, Troy Shondell, Tab Hunter, etc, make your own! I have also made "rest of" cd's for artists whose domestic-released cd's omitted many key singles. Examples: The Rest of Brenda Lee, James Darren, Freddy Cannon, Frankie Avalon, Brian Hyland, and Duane Eddy. I plan to start my own volumes of Cameo-Parkway singles, for my own enjoyment-not for sale, so don't sue me Mr. Klein! If anyone else out there is into home CD recording, or would like to be, I'd like to hear from you. |
Name: Ken Garland From: LA Time: 1998-07-11 23:26:46 Comments: I don't know about top 40, but i have chased such titles as "Look For A Star" by Gary Miles that was #87, which finally came out. "Dartel Stomp," "The Fife Piper," "Utopia," and "Have Love Will Travel" by the Imperials?? (not Little Anthony). |
Name: Alex Shkoditzh From: Long Island NY Time: 1998-07-12 21:21:35 Comments: Regarding recent postings concerning collecting lower half top 40 material: Much of this material is readily available when you purchase original title albums from the artist (at least the previously mentioned Doobie Brothers tracks are). Unfortunately, this applies to acts from the late sixties to the present (during the years when the album became the focus of the artists sales, as opposed to the "single"), and is dependant upon these titles still being in print. When they aren't, these albums can often be found in stores specializing in used cd's. It is highly unlikely that many of these songs will find their way onto collections. The primary reason is the nature of the Billboard charts themselves. A song that charted for three weeks and peaked at number 31 may have received considerable airplay in a particular part of the country, but it probably wasn't "national" (for example, aside from Steppenwolf, Barry McGuire, Mamas and the Papa's, and The Grassroots, I don't think any other Dunhill artists charted in NYC local charts, I understand that many more charted in Chicago. Southside Johnny and the Asbury Jukes had a hit here with "Trapped Again", a song that most of the country isn't even aware of). These songs are poor candidates for attracting the genral public for mass market sales. Led Zepplins' "Trampled Underfoot" may have been a low charting single - but, guess what? "Stairway to Heaven" was never released as single and got massive airplay anyway. Which title do you think would be more attractive on greatest hits package? |
Name: Joel
Goldenberg From: Montreal Time: 1998-07-13 11:03:52 Comments: Hi. This'll have to be brief, for now. Just got back from England and got lots of great bargains. One was a 26-song Herman Hermits tape from '89. I still believe that until recently, the British did not know the difference between fake and real stereo. "Listen People" was listed as being in stereo, but wasn't. It was reprocessed. EMI used to make the same mistakes with the Beach Boys' duophonic versions. Regarding the Hermits, I have a feeling Mickey Most (the Animals, Hot Chocolate) hated stereo, as tracks as recent as 1971 from him have also been mono. More later! |
Name: Greg Hadzinski From: Los Angeles Time: 1998-07-13 16:11:17 Comments: I need some quality info on late 60's Animals recordings. I have a Japanese issue of the Polygram Best Of 66-69 cd. But the sound quality on most of these songs (especially "Sky Pilot") is horrendous. Was there any significant improvement with the domestic release? I know it was issued in 90 or 91, so it's kind of doubtful. What about import releases? I've noticed that many Australian and British imports have come out recently. Are these from better masters? Which ones include the full version of "Sky Pilot," rather than just Part 1? Also, I'm looking for the 45 version of the Doors "Love Her Madly", which was a different mix than the album. I don't believe the single mix was ever released on any Doors album. Anyone know differently? Thanks for any help you can give. |
Name: Mike
Arcidiacono Time: 1998-07-13 20:34:15 Comments: Re: Mickey Most and stereo. It wasnt that Mickey Most "hated" stereo, its just the fact that Most was hired to produce hit singles. Probably the biggest reason why Hermits Hermits and The early Animals tracks have never been in stereo is because of the way that Most recorded. He recorded in "stages", adding parts and overdubbing onto a fresh tape. the only way to create stereo mixes of material recorded this way is to get ahold of the stage tapes, then sync it with a computer so that it all plays in tempo. It can be done (witness Red Bird), but its difficult and very expensive. Plus, at this point, I dont think Most is interested unless EMI gives him the project. I would hope that he still has the stage tapes for Hermans Hermits but who knows? Once the 45 was out, i'm sure he didnt care any more, after all, there were new projects to do. Still, I would kill to hear "Henry The 8th" and "Mrs Brown" in true stereo. If EMI is reading this...get those tapes and give this job to Tom Moulton---he is the BEST. Mikey |
Name: Bob Olivia From: Burbank, Ca. Time: 1998-07-14 04:16:05 Comments: Just got my copy of Bring Back Those Doo-Wops. In True Stereo- "Barbara" by The Temptations, "The Nag" by the Halos, "Smokey Places" by the Corsairs, all in fantastic wide Stereo. "I've Had It by the Bellnotes definetly Stereo by very close or tight. "Morse Code of Love" by the Capris is True Stereo recorded in the lates 1980's. Great Song. I have the video of them singiing it along with "There's a Moon Out Tonight" from a PBS special from that same time frame. I sure you all can tell from my previous messages, that I'm an early Rock and Roll freak, trying to get as much early Stereo as possible. Does anyone know if there is anymore Stereo on any other Mr. Maestro series? Bye for now, Bob. |
Name: Tom
Daly Website: Digital Skyline From: Metro Boston Time: 1998-07-14 04:37:11 Comments: I'd like to comment on this Mickie Most stuff. The villian in this scenario isn't Most at all. It's everyone's favorite nemesis, Allen B. Klein. Those Animals and Herman's Hermits recordings were leased to MGM records back in the '60s by Klein. He owned them then as he does now. Most was the producer at EMI who was assigned to produce the acts Klein represented, which were The Animals and Herman's Hermits. Klein, known for being a cheap SOB, told Most to recycle the 1/2" tapes once the mixdowns to mono were made. That's why there are no surviving multis from which remixes can be made. Ron Furmanek had access to whatever tapes EMI had when he did the Legends of Rock & Roll series and the Legendary Masters Series. He'd have certainly remixed the Animals and Hermits tapes to stereo if they were available, but they weren't - even for British release (i.e. "Those Were the Days" - Mary Hopkin, unreleased in the U.S. on CD.) Now, Most was also the producer of credit on the Lulu and Donovan recordings. With the exception of "Mellow Yellow," I believe all of their EMI/Epic releases have been issued in stereo at least once. If Mickie Most suffered from "monoitis" back in the 1960s, far more of his productions would never have seen the light of a stereo day. I wouldn't be so quick to put the blame on Mickie Most, especially knowing who else was involved. By the way, I happened to notice that on "Troubador," the two-disc retrospective of Donovan's career, many tracks that appeared in stereo before are mono on that package. Reading the liner notes, the name ABKCO appears... |
Name: Mike
Arcidiacono Time: 1998-07-14 16:47:06 Comments: Re Tom Daly and Mickey Most. I'm not sure I agree with Tom's explanation of the Animals/Hermits Klein connection. For one thing, in 1963, I don't think Allan Klein had anything to do with Hermans Hermits. MGM Records leased the distribution rights from EMI in England. Mickey Most produced the Hermits and The Animals for EMI. I really dont think Klein was involved at that time, I think he bought the US distribution rights from MGM/Polygram in the early '70s. Of course, I could be wrong, but thats what ive always thought. Hey, someone pull out an old MGM Hermits LP and see if Klien's name is anywhere on it...maybe that will tell the tale. |
Name: Larry Davis From: Longview, Washington Time: 1998-07-14 19:54:02 Comments: To answer a couple questions left hanging so far, the 7:29 version of "Sky Pilot" is on The Best of Eric Burdon And The Animals 1966-1968, Polydor 849 388 from 1991. The flip side of Led Zeppelin's "Whole Lotta Love" is "Living Loving Maid" according to Joel Whitburn's "Top Pop Singles 1955-1996". "Train Kept A Rolling" was recorded by Aerosmith, Johnny Burnette Trio, and The Yardbirds. Could any of these have been confused with Led Zeppelin? I have a MYSTERY of my own. Varese Sarabande has released a best of Al Hibbler, his 1950s solo Decca material and I've seen it advertised on CDNow and CD Universe's website, as well as in Collector's Choice latest catalog. IN ALL THREE PLACES, they identify it as having 16 tracks, and IN ALL THREE PLACES they proceed to give a listing of 13 tracks. None of the three dealers seem to notice that the numbers don't match. I emailed Varese Sarabande about ten days ago and asked for clarification. They never answered. Rock Classics ran an ad in July, 1998, Discoveries that says, "16 tracks, contains all his chart hits". Well, among the 13 tracks everyone has listed so far, his number 22 Billboard hit from 1956, "Never Turn Back", is missing. Is it one of the "three phantom hits"? This is at least the third MCA package of his Decca material, and they all seem to be ignoring a major TOP 30 hit. Has anyone bought this Varese Vintage CD or seen it, and can tell me are there 13 tracks or are there 16 tracks, and if so, what are the three tracks that no one will list? Thanks, Larry |
Name: Randy Price From: New York Time: 1998-07-14 20:52:37 Comments: I have six original M-G-M Herman's Hermits LPs. The only one on which Allen Klein's name appears is the 1968 Mrs. Brown You've Got A Lovely Daughter soundtrack, which states that the movie is an Allen Klein Production. |
Name: Joe
Fornarotto From: New Jersey Time: 1998-07-14 22:06:08 Comments: Does anyone know where I can get the version of "Nobody But Me" by the Human Beinz with the complete unedited intro? Unedited, you can hear the pluck of the guitar that causes the feedback at the beginning of the song. On all versions that I've heard it's chopped off. A friend of mine played it for me from a K-tel collection called Battle of the Bands. Someone else must have released this version other than K-tel. Thanks for any information on this; I'm tired of spending money on different discs to find this version!! |
Name: Steve Massie Time: 1998-07-15 09:55:00 Comments: Just to clarify something...Allen Klein had nothing to do with the Animals or Herman's Hermits originally. He ended up purchasing the US rights from Mickie Most. EMI continues to own the rights to those masters in the rest of the world, as you'll notice all the import copies are on EMI or one one their subsidiaries. Also, Mickie Most was a huge fan of Phil Spector and wanted to emulate Spector's "Back To Mono" philosophy wherever he could. Certainly it was easy to justify that philosophy when dealing with Herman's Hermits since almost all the overdubs on their singles (especially the early ones) were of Peter Noone's vocals. If you'll look at the British chart books you'll realize that Herman's Hermits were basically an American phenomenon; they had very little British chart success so EMI was probably not terribly concerned at the time as to whether their stuff was mixed to stereo or not. Hope this clears this up just a bit.[ Au contraire. The Hermits had a lot of success on the British charts. Perhaps you're thinking of the DC5? MC] |
Name: Ken Rogers Website: DISCJOCKEY.COM From: South Carolina Time: 1998-07-15 09:55:47 Comments: I have been searching for a "Stereo" copy of "Since I Don't Have You" by the Skyliners from 1959. I know the song was recorded on a 3 track AMPEX machine originally, and have heard that a record was released in the mid '60s with the stereo mix. No one seems to know if it is still around..... Any Help? [ -- It was recorded on 3-track, but has never, to my knowledge, been issued in true stereo. Original Sound now owns the tapes, and when I last heard, has no intention of doing a stereo mix. -- MC] |
Name: Tom
Daly Website: Digital Skyline From: Metro Boston Time: 1998-07-15 12:19:53 Comments: Back to Allen Klein: Klein managed both The Animals and Herman's Hermits in the 1960s. In fact, it was Klein who assembled the Hermits as a British act aimed at the U.S. market. His involvement here stems from his astute business sense and the death of his primary money-maker, Sam Cooke. While the production of both acts were done at EMI, Klein has always held the U.S. rights to the two acts and it was HE, not EMI, who leased the rights to MGM. I have this information from a VERY reputable source, an individual in the reissue business who licenses tracks for reissue on a regular basis. If anyone would know, HE would know. |
Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Racine, WI Time: 1998-07-15 13:51:33 Comments: Re: Tom, Mikey Most. While Klein may have the rights for the material, it doesn't really matter. For most (all?) of Most's Animals and Herman's Hermits productions, multitracks were not used. Most recorded on to a mono tape machine, and overdubs were done live on to a second machine. Stereo mixes could be made using computer technology, synching up the various tapes, as the working tapes DO exist - however, I doubt anyone is willing to take the time and money to actually do it. Hope this clears every thing up... |
Name: Paul
Bigelow Time: 1998-07-15 14:05:23 Comments: Has anybody ever heard Carole King's "It Might As Well Rain Until September" from a tape source? Was the original Dimension single from a tape source? Every version I have heard has been a disk dub. Since I believe the song was recorded as a demo, perhaps even the single was a dub from an acetate. Any info? [ -- The single was from an acetate dub. Bob Hyde found the "original master tape" in the Roulette vaults some years ago, and it was a dub from acetate, so there is no actual session tape still in existence. -- MC] |
Name: Joel
Goldenberg From: Montreal Time: 1998-07-15 16:14:26 Comments: I see that I've started quite a discussion over Mickey Most and Herman's Hermits. I'm leaning towards the explanation that Most basically liked mono. Also, the mono machine/multi-track explanation doesn't quite answer why "A Must To Avoid" and some other tracks are in stereo, but a 1970 song like "Years May Come, Years May Go" is still mono only, to my knowledge. Perhaps the Klein explanation applies to Hot Chocolate, though. Their earliest singles ("Love is Life," etc.) from 1970-71, are mono. I know that the group earlier recorded for Apple. Hmmmm... |
Name: Mike Hartman From: Vernon Hills, IL Time: 1998-07-15 17:04:17 Comments: Re: Herman's Hermits hits. I'm interested in background on "Listen People". I have the stereo soundtrack version (When The Boys Meet The Girls) that was recently released here on Rhino/Turner. Was that version recorded before or after the hit version? The liner notes have it being recorded in the June of '65. The hit version peaked in Feb. '66 here in the U.S. Any reason why the hit version has never been released in stereo? |
Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Racine, WI Time: 1998-07-15 20:14:55 Comments: Joel, re: I received my information regarding the Most material from someone who apparently has heard the tapes... FWIW, I was only talking about the Animals at the time, but I would bet that in most cases it applies to HH as well. Again, Most was forced to work in low budget studios, with only mono machines. However, Most did do some work at Abbey Road later on, but this was after he stopped working with the Animals (don't know about HH). |
Name: Dave
Mack Website: Welcome To Dave Macks Home Page From: Salem, MA Time: 1998-07-15 22:57:46 Comments: I've seen some recent posts re :"Sky Pilot" by Eric Burdon & the Animals. I don't think people are aware that the 45 was different from what turned up on the lp. On the lp there is some extraneous noise in the backgrond during"He Blesses the Boys, as they stand in line". Also at the end after the maching band & the bagpipes the vocal is different. On the 45 it's a SOLO voice, while on the lp it's several band members. Also the 45 is 7:27 (dj copy) not 7:29 and the dj copy has the bag pipes fading out which as I remember the lp doesnot. I and a friend both have a copy but each are beat. We are hoping to be able to assemble a complete playable version between both copies. Maybe I can convince my friend Tom Daly @ Skyline to make it available. If anyone here has a clean promo (stereo) dj copy I'd like to hear from you. Oh and on a different topic: The version of Bobby Darin's "Simple Song Of Freedom" on the Splish Splash CD IS the same as was on the Motown 45, it's just longer and in TRUE stereo! |
Name: Randy Price From: New York Time: 1998-07-15 23:13:10 Comments: Has anyone heard the new Tom Jones hits compilation on Deram/Polygram TV? Does it contain the full-length stereo version (including intro) of "What's New Pussycat?"? (Previous CDs have contained either the full-length version in mono or a stereo version without the intro; the original soundtrack LP has the full-length stereo version.) |
Name: Don Duffey From: Buffalo.N.Y. Time: 1998-07-16 00:17:46 Comments: To all Cameo-Parkway stereo hopefuls: A while back I asked for help on a cd called Dinner With Zack by John Zackerley. After further review I listened to the entire cd and discovered some interesting things.Three tracks called "the Pistol Stomp"/"Lets Twist Again"/"Limb From Limbo Rock". these are the same as the originals only with the zack man adding his voice over the music bed of the hit recordings.the "Bristol Stomp" is the same with everything but the lead vocals.same is true of the other tunes, which shows they were at least recorded in two track.so maybe there is hope of C/P in stereo. But I doubt A.B.K will release anything. Bring on the boots. On that note D'ya ever notice whenever the big boys bitch about not getting royalties its always with the big labels? Fogerty/Fantasy... Beatles/Apple... DC-5 Epic... never a mention about bootlegs/cd's without [ahem] address's 'Nuff said ....as always MONO SUCKS....Don D. |
Name: Cary E.
Mansfield From: Varese Vintage Time: 1998-07-16 01:35:34 Comments: The stereo single version of "Sky Pilot (Part One)" by Eric Burdon & The Animals is available on Dick Bartley Presents Collector's Essentials, The Original Hit Singles-On The Radio Volume One VSD-5846; The Best Of Al Hibbler VSD-5930 has 16 tracks. |
Name: Jim Clarke From: Bellflower, CA Time: 1998-07-16 05:12:13 Comments: I recently bought the Viscounts - Harlem Nocturne CD that lists 12 songs from that LP as stereo - Guess Again!!! All the listed as stereo tracks are in "E" stereo. I would rather have mono that that! Other than that MAJOR quibble the CD is OK - about half the songs are good, other half throw away. I also recommend the Song Of Pete Seeger - Great versions of his songs. |
Name: Peter
Doskoch From: New Jersey Time: 1998-07-16 09:05:55 Comments: Don Duffey wrote: "D'ya ever notice whenever the big boys bitch about not getting royalties its always with the big labels? Fogerty/Fantasy...Beatles/Apple...DC-5 Epic...never a mention about bootlegs/cds." If you're attempting to justify the morality of buying bootlegs, it doesn't fly. Lots of artists (not just record companies) have fought against bootlegs, often by releasing legitimate albums to cut into bootleg sales. I could name a half dozen examples right off the bat, the most recent being the new Counting Crows live album. Besides, it's only natural that Fogerty and the Beatles are more likely to focus on major label royalities rather than bootlegs--there's a lot more money at stake with major labels releases. But that doesn't mean that artists aren't upset about getting no royalties from bootlegs. |
Name: Tom
Daly Website: Digital Skyline From: Metro Boston Time: 1998-07-16 12:26:57 Comments: To Dave Mack: Skyline will master anything from any source where a client owns the rights, and will occasionally clean up a track where commercial copies have an overabundance of noise when a client provides a commercial issue. In the case of "Sky Pilot" or any other tracks where a client neither holds nor has leased the rights, Skyline will not get involved. If you want Skyline to get involved, you will have to lease the rights from Seagrams. That will cost you six cents per copy, with a ten thousand copy minimum - $6,000 for the rights to press ten thousand copies. Of course, that does not include my mastering fees, Seagrams' manufacturing costs, packaging, shipping, and whatever other costs may be incurred. I don't think you want to spend that kind of money just to get a specific version of something on a 5" CD single. |
Name: tom
moulton From: nyc Time: 1998-07-16 18:55:52 Comments: This message is for Don Duffy, The 3 songs you think were recorded in stereo are not; they were recorded at Reco-Art and they usually recorded a track first and then did sound on sound. The studio later became Sigms Sound Studios in Philly.... same studio, same address. Most of the vocal records that were recorded there have an instrumental track. I have run across many and I am sure most of the Cameo/Parkway hits are like that. In fact they have used the same drum track on a lot of hits, so start a/b -ing your favorite C & P singles and see how many you come up with. |
Name: Ken Garland Time: 1998-07-16 21:47:16 Comments: I have "Nobody But Me" by the Human Beinz on Time Life 1968 The Beat Goes On. |
Name: Don Duffey From: Buffalo Time: 1998-07-16 23:09:40 Comments: This is for Tom Moulton. I think you misunderstood my posting; I said the music beds were the same, which could mean "sync-up" with the vocals to create stereo. Besides I have "Limbo Rock" in true stereo on 30 Top Teen Dances on Black Tulip. Me thinks this would be a great project for you to tackle. Don D. |
Name: Marty Wekser Time: 1998-07-18 01:35:23 Comments: In reply to Larry Davis' comments regarding the Al Hibbler CD on Varese Vintage. Neither Cary Mansfield nor I are quite sure how this package became advertised as a 13 track collection. At only 13 tracks, this would have to be a Varese package missing 3 tracks (or a Curb package with bonus tracks!!) Seriously though, once a mistake is made, it tends to be compounded. But be sure this package does contain 16 tracks, two of which appear in stereo for the first time. As for the comment about this package missing chart hits when it was advertised as "containing all his chart hits." As the compiler of this set, I think the advertising should more properly have said "contains his biggest chart hits." That notwithstanding, it has always been my policy when doing compilations to build the track listing on the type of artist being compiled. If the artist is most known as a "hit singles" artist (some of those with CD's on Varese which I also compiled are Teresa Brewer, Pat Boone, Andy Williams and Billy Vaughn), these packages are filled exclusively with singles... the biggest hits, mid-chart ones, an occasional low chart hit and sometimes even a "B" side if it is noteworthy. On the other hand, on the packages I have done, such as Al Hibbler, Caterina Valente, Les Brown and Jane Morgan, I feel these artists have a fan base which is interested in more than records which are listed in Whitburn. This is not to say that I would intentionally leave out major hits, but I would rather use just the biggest singles and then go to classic album tracks rather than mildly successful mid-chart singles. This is certainly a judgment call and I realize you can't always please everybody. But I do try to please as many people as possible and I think in the case of the Al Hibbler CD, by using four chart singles and twelve standards from his wonderful albums made the most sense. Marty Wekser |
Name: Steve Massie Time: 1998-07-18 09:54:50 Comments: I just happened upon some information yesterday that might help clarify the Cameo-Parkway posts. While having a business breakfast with a client named George Collier, I discovered that he and his group were the studio musicians on many of the Cameo-Parkway hits of the 60s. George told me that his group would go in the studio (Rec-Art) and lay down basic rhythm tracks on one track of a two track recorder. They worked with Dave Appel and Kal Mann, mostly, and were chosen because they could all read music and the charts were already done for them when they arrived. However, they did not do any lead guitar parts, although they would do sax, clarinet, keyboards, even accordion parts. They also didn't even know who would end up doing the vocal tracks. In fact, George said that usually a few weeks later they would hear a song on the radio and realize that they were the ones who had done the rhythm track. Some of the stuff they played on included "Bristol Stomp" and "Let's Twist Again". In fact, he said that when they played their live shows and played that material they often had people come up to them and say that they sure could play the stuff just like the records! |
Name: Michael R.
Fiedler Time: 1998-07-18 10:24:00 Comments: Mike, several issues back in your newsletter, you published a letter I sent you with several comments on several CD's. One of them was an Anita Bryant CD released on Collectables. At the time you commented that the hit songs on this package were Columbia remakes. I recently bought the Marginal package, which Mike Hawkinson of Discollector says has both Carlton & Columbia material on it. I put a post on your web page to see if anyone knew if these were the original Carlton hits, and one answer confirmed it. I played the Marginal & Collectables CD's back to back and they both contain the same versions. I am not as familiar with her hits as I would be other songs, but to me they sound like the originals on both cd's and I have a couple of the 45's to compare them with...they sound the same. So, what is your opinion? Are both CD's the originals or not? Thanks, Mike. [ If they're the same, they're both the Columbia remakes. MC] |
Name: Barry Cashion From: Mooresville, NC Time: 1998-07-18 12:29:23 Comments: Hi Mike, just got on line and thought I'd drop you a note to ask about something I don't remember ever reading in the newsletter. With all of the Who compilations that have come out during the CD era, has the 45 version of "Substitute" ever appeared on CD? This version,which was on the Atco single (#s 6409 and 6509), ran 2:58 vs. 3:47 for the more common version, had a different vocal, and had the line "I look all white but my dad was black" changed to "I try going forward but my feet walk back". Any info on this one? Thanks. |
Name: Doug
Peck From: Elk Grove, CA Time: 1998-07-18 16:38:20 Comments: Re. two recent posts, and without trying to take anyone to task: To license 10,000 units at a royalty rate of six cents per unit, shouldn't the fee be $600, not $6000, as was calculated? The point still stands re. whether it's a good investment or not, and particularly whether the majors need a dose of reality re. their 10,000 minimum stance. It's just the math that needs some help. To Marty Wekser: Your comments were excellent, and thank you for your part in putting out some outstanding packages. I think the heartburn in leaving out some of the chart hits, from a collector's point of view, is that when a caring reissue company, such as Varese, with talented people such as you, omit these chart hits, it may be the only chance in our lifetimes to see them appear on a good (cd) reissue. My vote would be to include the chart hits, even at the lower numbers, over catalog material. Just one person's opinion, for whatever it's worth. |
Name: Dan
Murphy Time: 1998-07-18 17:08:31 Comments: I'm looking for the Bobby Lewis chart hits "Tossin' and Turnin'" (untrimmed) and "One Track Mind", in stereo if available. A few years back, Rhino had a couple of compilation CDs called Jukebox Classics with both these songs, but I didn't pick them up at the time. I believe "Tossin'..." had the "Baby, baby, you do something to me" intro line, and I think it was in stereo, perhaps twin-track. I'm not sure whether "One Track Mind" is stereo or not. Also, can anyone recommend the best source for stereo on "Since I Fell For You" by Lenny Welch and "Then You Can Tell Me Goodbye" by the Casinos? Also, has anyone received the Sundazed Bruce & Terry compilation, or did the release date get bumped again? Thanks in advance for your help! |
Name: Ken Garland Time: 1998-07-18 20:06:41 Comments: Bobby Lewis' "Tossin & Turnin" on Relic 7041 has both tracks reportedly in stereo (I can remember if they really are). |
Name: Eliot
Goshman Website: Click HERE for Taragon Records Home Page!! Time: 1998-07-18 21:51:47 Comments: To DAN: We'd like to think our "Since I Fell For You" on The Very Best Of Lenny Welch, Taragon TARCD-1013 has the best stereo; it's a crystal-clear transfer direct from the original studio multi-track and contains studio chatter as well. |
Name: Randy Price From: New York Time: 1998-07-19 00:03:24 Comments: I received e-mail from Marty Wekser with the complete track listing for Varese's Al Hibbler CD, which follows: After The Lights Go Down Low/September In The Rain/The Very Thought Of You/He/ I Don't Stand A Ghost Of A Chance With You/Just A Kid Named Joe/Do Nothin' Till You Hear From Me*/Unchained Melody/A Tree In The Meadow*/There Is No Greater Love*/11th Hour Melody/Honeysuckle Rose/There Are Such Things/Sweet Slumber/All Or Nothing At All (stereo)*/Don't Get Around Much Anymore (stereo). The four marked with an asterisk (*) are the ones omitted from the listings on Tower's, CDNow's and Amazon's Web sites (all three also list "Summertime," apparently incorrectly). |
Name: Alain
Dupont From: Quebec, Canada Time: 1998-07-19 00:22:15 Comments: Hi! "Tossin' & Turnin'" can also be found in stereo on Rhino 70622 (Billboard's Top R&R Hits of 1961). "Since I Fell For You" in stereo on Columbia 45019 (Pop Classics of the 60's) and Ace 289 (Golden Age Of American R&R vol. 1). "Then You Can Tell Me Goodbye" in great stereo on Rhino 70996 (One Hit Wonders of the 60's Vol. 2) |
Name: Dean Masters From: Columbus, Ohio Time: 1998-07-19 12:23:30 Comments: Just to note a flaw in an otherwise excellent package, Lost Hits of the '60's (EMI-Capitol 72438-19552-2) has Mike Clifford's "Close To Cathy", a much-sought after track! The bad news is that it is out of phase. What a shame. Have to figure that the original mono master remains in some unmarked box. |
Name: Paul From: Fla Time: 1998-07-19 20:52:28 Comments: In the current catalog of Collectors Choice they list for sale a 3 cd set by Ritchie Valens Come On, Lets Go which lists a stereo and mono version of "La Bamba" and "That's My Little Suzie" for $23. |
Name: Sammy R. Stevenson Time: 1998-07-20 09:40:25 Comments: The stereo version of "La Bamba" on the Ritchie Valens box set is the same "synched up" version used previously. All that's been done is that digital echo has been added in the synch-up process. The result is about as poor an excuse for stereo as you can find. The same process was used on "Lonely Weekends" by Charlie Rich. Having heard the two-track of the Charlie Rich song without the echo I don't understand why it was released the way it was. All it is is someone messing with the original sound to try and create their idea of what it should sound like, not stay faithful to the original version. Also, I agree with someone else's question about why some messages are sent as "private". I thought this was a public chat board... [ -- Well, it is a "public" chat board in the sense that collectors are invited to express their opinions and report finds, etc. In actual fact, however, it is part of the Both Sides Now webpage, not a newsgroup, so I do retain the right to edit or delete certain messages that don't meet the minimum standards for remaining on the website.... Also for the record, as the owner of the webpage, I get A LOT more info about who posts these messages than appears on the board publically, so although "anonymous" messages may be posted, they are rarely anonymous to me.... I have posted my views on "private" messages some time ago, that is, sending me an e-mail directly is faster and avoids my having to edit and delete all the complaints that people post when somebody uses the "private" feature on the posting software (that I cannot disable, by the way). :-) -- Mike Callahan] |
Name: Steve
Baird From: Baton Rouge Time: 1998-07-20 18:46:51 Comments: With regard to several postings here on a variety of songs, there are several other sources for many of them, and some offering better sound than the others. With the exception of "Close to Cathy" -- which is only available in mono to my knowledge -- I am discussing only the stereo copies, but will mention the mono ones. Ace's offering of "Close to Cathy" on Teen Age Crush [CDCHD 446], is clearer and less strident than the EMI and Collectors' Choice tracks that have already been discussed. In comparing the EMI Lost Hits version, it does not appear to be out of phase on my copy of the CD. In addition to Rhino's One Hit Wonders, the Casinos' "Then You Can Tell Me Goodbye" also appears in stereo on Time-Life's Super Hits - 1967 [SUD-05], but is not nearly as well-recorded as either the Rhino or Laserlight's Chart Busters [12-318]. Frequency response appears to be slightly limited on the Rhino when compared to the Laser light disk. Chart Busters also has the advantage of being cheap. The song appears in mono on Dunhill's Back Seat Jams and Ace's Radio Gold, Vol. 2. I have five CDs containing Welch's "Since I Fell For You," and there is no question that the best sound is found on Ace's Golden Age CD previously discussed; for me it rates a strong 9 for sonics, the others are 7s and 8s. It also appears on Varese's History of Cadence Records, Vol 2, Time-Life's Sixties Jukebox Memories and Super Hits - 1963, and Rhino's Jukebox Classics. The weakest sound is on the Rhino; The Super Hits version has the channels reversed, and in narrower stereo. All but one of my "Tossin' and Turnin'" copies have the intro (Ace's Golden Age disk is the only one to omit it, and is in mono to boot). Since the Rhino 1961 Billboard Hits disk has gone thru at least two releases, it should be noted that the version heard on both releases are the same. The least refined sound is on the Rhino Jukebox Classics. |
Name: Don Duffey From: Buffalo Time: 1998-07-20 23:23:37 Comments: Question.. has anyone heard or seen the new Tokens cd? I can't seem to find it in stores. Item #2..Does ABKCO have a web site? Why not? Item # 3: I was talking to a local artist who's band recorded on the Swan label back in the early 60's, of course I asked about multi-track, and he said they indeed recorded in muti, but swan would mix down to mono because there main business were 45's..then he said he was in the studio when "She Loves You" by the Beatles was brought in to mix down to mono, he said the session tape was stereo. I asked "where's the tape?" he replied that "some lawyer in England has them "thats all he knew..TaTa..Don D. |
Name: tom
moulton From: nyc Time: 1998-07-21 01:15:28 Comments: This response is for Sammy Stevenson & Don Duffey. First of all, Sammy, you are partially right. "La Bamba" was one of my first efforts in trying to sync-up two different tracks. At the time, I thought it was amazing; now it just haunts me. I take full responability for that one. "Lonely Weekends" was on a mult-track, and I had three days to mix about 16 Charlie Rich songs to meet a deadline. I tried to get more out of it than I should have (I learned a valuble lesson on that project: "You want it in a hurry? Get someone else!), whereas on the Bear Family Box Set, I had a second chance to remix them and take my time with them. I feel that "Lonely Weekends" sounds the best that I could do with it.... As for Don, I have most of the Swan Multitracks and there wasn't anything stereo by the Beatles. I talked with several people who were their during that time and they said all they got was a mono single tape. Most of the non-Beatle Swan releases were cut in the early years at RECO-ART, which only had mono, and then moving over to Frank Virtue's VIRTUE SOUND, which was a four track studio in 1963. I hope that answers the questions. |
Name: chaz Time: 1998-07-21 03:29:26 Comments: Bootlegs!! Seems to be a constant pro-con issue. Without them we would miss a lot of stereo gems that have yet to be released legally, only the artist and the label do not get their royalties. Well, most of the oldies artists got ripped off by the majors. Just listen to the Beatles Beat Series, especially the Early Beatles/Meet The Beatles 1994 boot!! Amazing sound quality, much better than anything Capitol will ever release. Same old redundant story. Until they release what we want stereo!!! There will be a paying customer ready to buy. Just my opinion. By the time the majors & minors release it all in stereo some of us will either be hard of hearing or to old to care!!!! chaz [ "The majors" are such an easy target for griping. Like "the government." Anyone can gripe and come up with theories about dark conspiracies, but few know anything approaching the facts. Why are "majors" any different from any other labels? Because they still exist? Because it's currently popular to bash corporations? "Better than anything Capitol will ever release?" Get a life. MC] |
Name: Dave
Breathe From: UK Time: 1998-07-21 10:26:54 Comments: The new Brook Benton Anthology CD Endlessly on Rhino is in great STEREO (except first two songs "It's Just A Matter Of Time"/"Hurtin' Inside") - thank you Rhino! It is now finally available after a delay for legal reasons, so get while you can! Also I highly recommend Elvis is Back! (DCC Gold) for anyone who hasn't heard it (includes false starts on "Such a Night") - it's well worth the extra few $$!! |
Name: Mike
Arcidiacono From: nyc Time: 1998-07-21 14:15:53 Comments: Re: Tom Moulton, Charlie Rich, etc. I don't think Tom Moulton has to apologize for anything. Largely because of Tom's dedication and perseverance, we as stereo collectors have been treated to TONS of great stereo mixes that we would never have heard otherwise. If it was up to the majors, we would still be getting cds made from scratchy lps as source material (remember POST records? Remember thier Critters and Crests comps? eechhh..) Tom's work is just amazing, that's all there is to it. Tom, we thank you. As for "She Loves You" in stereo, we know one thing...the session master (which IS two track) is not in EMIs vault. I remember about 15 years ago, there were supposedly cassette copies of SLY in two track stereo. I will bet that SOMEBODY does have a tape of this, even ifs its a stereo dub off the master. Failing THAT, isnt it about time someone computer synced the backing track of the german SLY with the single, the same as Tom did with La Bamba? The one attempt to do this (on the bootleg Cd "Something Extra" did not come out too well, and the fidelty stinks). At least we would have something. What do you guys think? Mikey |
Name: Larry
Naramore From: Sun Valley, Ca. Time: 1998-07-21 15:00:55 Comments: Found an album that might be of interest to somebody with the time and expertise to burn. Its from a compilation put out in 1980 titled In The Beginning (NR14188-2) by the ATV Music Group/Venice Music labeled for Broadcast Use Only - Not For Sale. I can't tell if any tracks are stereo, as my turntable croaked. Thee most interesting tracks are "She Said Yeah" by the Stones, "Bad Boy" by the Beatles and "I'll Come Running Back to You" by Sam Cooke. If interested in names of other tracks please e-mail |
Name: Sammy R. Stevenson Time: 1998-07-21 15:25:15 Comments: This is for Tom Moulton : Now that you have announced to the world that you "have most of the Swan Multitracks" would you please share with us stereo collectors what exactly do you have by way of artists and titles? When are they be expected to be used? Moreover, is there any Freddy Cannon material? Thank you in advance, for your prompt and thorough response. |
Name: tom
moulton From: nyc Time: 1998-07-21 21:15:06 Comments: This message is for Sammy Stevenson. I was not trying to make a worldwide statement about the Swan tapes, just a thorough explanation about "She Loves You". Yes, there are some Freddy Cannon multitracks, but very few (no hits), and most of those early multi-tracks were lost years ago. The ones they do have, do not appear to be coming out soon. He is not the most reasonable person to deal with. The Link Wray stereo mixes will come out next year. As with the other stereo mixes of some of their other groups they will be coming out on various packages. |
Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Racine, WI Time: 1998-07-21 23:00:49 Comments: A few things. "She Loves You" - the 2 track master tape was 'lost' in 1963, so I highly doubt that somebody made a cassette copy of it... As for the SLD backing track, that is an entirely different performance, so it really would not make sense to synch it up... "Substitute" by The Who - no, the (US) single version has never been released on CD. In fact, to my knowledge, it has never been released other than on the 45. As for multitracks, who knows...I'm sure it was recorded on 4 track tape, but many of the tapes from that period (other than "I'm A Boy" and a few others) seem to be missing. Now, it may just be a case of not looking in unmarked tape boxes, but I don't know for sure, so... |
Name: Randy Price From: New York Time: 1998-07-21 23:32:11 Comments: To expand upon Dave Breath's comments: Rhino's new Lesley Gore CD is 100% stereo, with better sound quality than Mercury's recent 2-disk comp (although the stereo image on "It's My Party" inexplicably shifts to the left right before the instrumental break). The Rhino Platters disk is stereo beginning with "Twilight Time," and on some tracks the stereo image is wider than on the Mercury 2-disk set from a few years ago. (For many tracks the stereo image is reversed from the Mercury set.) Two of the three Musicor tracks are of similar quality to other releases covering that material; "I Love You 1000 Times" is much cleaner than on those others, but at the expense of some high end, as noise reduction has been liberally applied to this track. |
Name: Larry Davis From: Longview, Washington Time: 1998-07-22 01:49:46 Comments: I'd like to thank Randy Price for listing the tracks on the new Al Hibbler CD from Varese, and also Marty Weksler for offering his comments as producer, but I must say I'm very disappointed in his decision to go with 4 chart hits and 12 album tracks. For one thing, the double album Starring Al Hibbler/Here's Al Hibbler just came out in 1996 on Jasmine and is available all over the net. Real fans of Hibbler (like me) already have the 1992 Very Best Of Al Hibbler - Unchained Melody on MCA MSD 35303 (distributed by Good Music). If you do have these two albums then the Varese album is over half redundant. As to "lower charting" hits that Marty mentions, Hibbler only had 7 chart hits in the Rock Era, and "11th Hour Melody" which every compiler wants to include, peaked at #21, while "Never Turn Back", which no one has yet released on CD, peaked at #22. Hardly a "lower" charter in that context wouldn't you say? I think producers are foolish to omit significant chart hits while ostensibly aiming at "fans of the artist". Heck, fans of the artists will certainly buy almost any reissue, but those who only know the artist from the hit records they remember being played on the radio might be tempted to buy a compilation just for the hit. I have bought at least a hundred CDs solely to obtain one or two songs on it. I may skip buying this newest Hibbler CD just because I think the compiler used terrible judgement. Music needs to be marketed towards the fans wants, not some corporate executives idea that they'll sell a lot of copies if they give them "Honeysuckle Rose" and "September In The Rain" again. Just what the world needs - the ten thousandth version of "September In The Rain." |
Name: John K.
Walker From: Phoenix, AZ Time: 1998-07-22 03:00:18 Comments: RE: "She Loves You" -- This was definitely only recorded in 2-track (Abbey Road was not equipped with 4-track until the "I Want To Hold Your Hand" era, which is why A Hard Day's Night and Beatles For Sale are only being currently available on CD in mono is such a deception), and according to Mark Lewisohn's Recording Sessions book, Geoff Emerick gave up as far back as 1966 on ever trying to concoct a quasi-stereo mix of it. (Which, I presume, is why only the complete master exists today.) The tape from the late 1980's (which I heard and eventually threw out) was some individual's extraordinary attempt to isolate instruments (of which there were only guitars and drums anyway) according to frequency ranges onto one channel or the other, with the "liner notes" indicating that he had to listen to the track thousands of times to achieve this. However to my ears the result, while better than the standard bass/treble separation usually associated with fake stereo, did not justify the effort. It was definitely NOT |
Name: Barry
Margolis Time: 1998-07-22 20:32:28 Comments: Hey Mike & Gang:Two things: Over the years, the American Atco issue of the Who's "Substitute" has been refered to as an edited for US version of the British single. I believe it's a completely different recording, since besides the fact that the lyrics have the "Try Going Forward But My Feet Walk Back" line, the construction of the songs is different from the UK version. The instrumental break is positioned in a different place, and (to my ears) it's a clearer, crisper recording. It's certainly likely that it was recorded in the same studio on the same day. Note to Mike: Twice I have supplied you with the information on those two John Lee Hooker Cameleon/Vee Jay stereo CDs, and the second time you did publish the information in the newsletter, but along with the amazing Joe Simon Ace release (containing some first-time stereo Duane/Hush recordings), I thought you'd be excited enough to comment on them, since this seems to be some first-time-ever stereo Vee Jay material! I know how busy you are, and that you can't comment on every letter, but I thought this would get commented on. Lately, I have sent you some really detailed reports of CDs of note that I've picked up over the last year or so, (McGuiness Flint, Pere Ubu, etc.), and I'm wishing that you could include some of the information in the newsletter, if only to let everyone else know about these finds. Thanx Barry Margolis [ -- Unfortunately, if I answered and commented on every letter and e-mail we get, it would be a 24-hour-a-day undertaking. The letters portion of the Newsletter is often the most time-consuming for us to assemble, because it often requires a lot of research to come up with comments or answers. For a 2-page letter section, it will often take 10 hours of preparation, research, and retyping and editing. Many times, I believe that letters are well stated and speak for themselves, so I don't clutter things by adding superfluous comments. This chat board was meant to be a vehicle for folks to let others know about finds without my having to do the kind of research I have to do to prepare BSN. Please feel free to post such finds on the board here. If I have something to add, I'll try to do so.... For those who send in things for the Newsletter, it is very helpful if they are typed in the format I use for the Newsletter, in large enough type so that my scanner can easily scan the letters. Typing the song titles in all caps, for example, means that I have to scan the letter, then go back and correct everything for publication purposes. Since I don't have a typing staff, just my wife and I, long letters that we have to completely reformat will often go to the bottom of the pile if we're in a rush. -- MC] |
Name: Joe
Fornarotto From: New Jersey Time: 1998-07-22 22:36:08 Comments: Thanks for the info on the new Platters disc on Rhino,I will now pick it up ASAP now I know about the Stereo content. A few questions---1-Is the version of Chris Montez' "Lets Dance" the same on Pop Hits of 62 on Rhino as it is on the greatest hits on DCC with the intro and being in stereo? 2-Mark Dinning "Teen Angel" Stereo or mono on Top Pop Hits of...on Rhino, if mono where is the best version in stereo. 3-Where is the best version of Joe South's "Games People Play" Thanks for any help! |
Name: Ray
Matthews From: GA Time: 1998-07-22 23:17:31 Comments: Does anyone know the stereo content(if any) and quality of the Sammy Turner CD on Marginal? Also is there a cd that has Brook Benton's "A Million Miles from Nowhere" on it? [ -- There is NO stereo on the Sammy Turner CD. It will be reviewed in BSN Issue #48. Sound quality is okay if you don't listen too closely (maybe a "C" of some sort), but there's noise there if you bother to hear it. -- MC] |
Name: Larry Davis From: Longview, Washington Time: 1998-07-23 01:50:48 Comments: A couple of answers: "A Million Miles From Nowhere" by Brook Benton (Arranged & conducted by Billy Mure, produced by Bob Rolontz, 11/14/57) is on Great American Vocalists, RCA 9965-2-R, a 1990 BMG CD. Mark Dinning's "Teen Angel" is in stereo on Hard To Find 45s On CD 1955-1960 and Teen Idols For A Moment. The first is on Eric the latter on Collector's Choice. Both are recommended. Collector's Choice has a website. www.ccmusic.com |
Name: Bob Olivia From: Burbank, California Time: 1998-07-23 04:53:12 Comments: Does anyone know if Johnny Nash's "A Very Special Love " is on CD? Also Pat Boone's " I'm Waiting For You"? Regarding The Beatles "She Loves You," I made my own special stereo version using the backing track from the German version from a reel to reel, and the English version from a turntable recorded onto a cassette. It came out better than the bootleg on CD a few years ago. You have to play with the speed on the turntable to get it just right. The English version on the last Yeh Yeh get out of sync because it starts out faster than the German Version. But it was fun doing it. I'm sure someone with the right equipment could master it perfectly. I still believe the real stereo version exists somewhere. Bye for now, Bob. |
Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Racine, WI Time: 1998-07-23 17:35:21 Comments: Re: Substitute. While I have not heard this one in awhile, I belive the only differences are the vocal track (obviously a new recording), and different editing. This would be why the solo is in a different place. I'll have to see if I can dig that one up to take a better listen to it... |
Name: Sammy R. Stevenson Time: 1998-07-23 20:41:55 Comments: This message is for Larry Davis, Doug Peck, and particularly Marty Wekser : Larry, you hit the nail right on the head with your recent comments regarding Marty Wekser's attempt to legitimize his title selection rationale for the Al Hibbler CD. I'm sorry Marty, but instincts tell me that most collectors would state your logic for excluding singles that charted at nos. 21 and 22 just does not wash. While a producer has a certain amount of creative latitude you have clearly failed to capture the desires and buying passions of consumers. Unless the producer intends to purchase 5 to 10,000 cd copies and cover the record company's license fee contingency himself, program selection should not be soley designed to meet his aesthetic judgement. If one were to deny this the producer would come off sounding arrogant and reflective of an individual caught up in his own ego. For is it not the consumer that the producer should primarily be intending to please? The consumer spends their money for the cd's to pay for the producer's services. Why not give them what they instinctively want? One only needs to see that only 4 cuts out of 16 charted on the Hibbler CD. Marty, are you trying to convince the consumers that you could not have added at least two more TOP 40 hits and not compromised your creative integrity or upset the artists' fan base? Please, give us collectors a break! We need to have more singles in the #20 to 60 chart range included on releases. This rationale ties into our frustration with oldies stations not playing those titles on the radio. I understand this may be difficult Marty, but please do not take my comments personally. You have produced some very fine cd releases over the years. In my opinion, you simply made an error in judgement on the Hibbler CD track selection, otherwise its a nice release. My observations are shared as constructive criticism for all producers in the industry who should escape from their ivory towers at times and listen to the consumers. Give them what they want and they will buy. If there existed a comprehensive greatest hits package in the marketplace I could better appreciate Marty's comments. Al Hibbler's tiles that hit nos. 21 and 22 must have pleased many people in various localities or the cuts would not have charted that high. It is now likely those cuts will never be released on cd. The more the consumer is familiar with a song logic dictates they would be more inclined to buy - and please do not state this would translate to only 50 more copies sold if the Hibbler cd had the two mentioned cuts. Trust me, it would be more. Consumers are more informed buyers these days (in part due to this website). We are not mindless idiots. Collectors are under no illusion that a primary purpose for releasing a cd is an anticipated high level of sales. If not, then the producer (one who selects titles) needs to revisit his priorities with the record company. Thank you for letting me express my opinion and I hope this posting elicits further comments on the subject matter. |
Name: John Sellards Website: VanMeter Recordings From: Beckley, WV Time: 1998-07-24 11:57:08 Comments: In response to the comments on the AL Hibbler CD below: You are confusing collector with consumer, and they are NOT the same thing! The collecting community is not as large as would seem, and I guarantee you that if a CD sells 10,000 units that it will be because of a lot of buying by the average joe. Trying to present a better-balanced retrospective of Hibbler is not only a good idea from a marketing standpoint, it is the ONLY realistic angle to approach is from. Remember, Hibber is an artist like Billy Eckstine (whose 2-disc set on Verve doesn't have all of his hits either) who will primarily sell to fans of vocalists with jazz leanings. |
Name: Mike Raphone From: Toledo, Ohio Time: 1998-07-24 12:56:43 Comments: John is right! Collectors make up a ridiculously small percentage of buyers...record companies are in business to make money and they'd go broke putting out some of the songs mentioned here! Why do radio stations play the same hits over and over? Cause they get BIG RATINGS when they do...that's what the average guy in the street wants...and he's 90% of the market! What would YOU do if you owned a record company...put out hits that sell or obscure tracks that don't? It boggles the mind that you guys think all record comapnies are mindless... |
Name: chaz Time: 1998-07-24 14:29:14 Comments: Enough with the Al Hibbler ....I'm getting Hibblered out... Anyone hear the Dean Martin - Collectors Choice 20 Reprise Hit Collection? chaz |
Name: Ron Fisch From: St. Louis, MO Time: 1998-07-24 16:57:17 Comments: Does anyone know where Danny Williams' hit "White on White" is in stereo on a CD? In response to an OLD stereo chat question (c. Sep 1997) "Smoke Gets in Your Eyes" by Blue Haze is in stereo on a VA CD called Reggae Spectacular - A&M label, released about 1988. I believe it's still in print. |
Name: Alain
Dupont From: Quebec, Canada Time: 1998-07-24 17:26:23 Comments: For Ron: Danny Williams' "White On White" can be found in stereo on Disc Jockey Hits Vol. 1 (Stardust 1003) and on Time-Life's Your Hit Parade: The 60's (HPD-37) |
Name: Ray
Dickinson From: CALGARY, ALBERTA Time: 1998-07-24 17:54:09 Comments: I'm looking for any information on two early sixties songs. The first is a Boyce & Hart tune called "Along Came Linda," probably '62 or '61. The second is a Brenda Lee cut titled "Here Comes That Feeling." Any details of either of these would be appreciated. Thanks! [ -- "Along Came Linda" was by Tommy Boyce, without Hart. It was issued on RCA in 1962 and appeared on a Camden LP. -- MC] |
Name: Chris
Nagel Time: 1998-07-24 18:22:15 Comments: To "Mike Raphone": If I'd owned a record company, it would be like Bear Family, who doesn't seem to have a problem releasing all the hits (and non-hits) on their re-issues. Why can't U.S. labels be so generous? It's GREED, pure and simple, the way it's been for many, many years. Also, I'm also sick of the same songs that are played over and over on Oldies stations. I think if these PD's would open their ears a little and start playing other hits by the artists they only play one or two songs now, I'm sure the radio station's audience would respond favorably. I sure don't think the audience would be turning their radios off. |
Name: Larry Davis From: Longview, Washington Time: 1998-07-24 20:27:19 Comments: I keep all the albums I buy. I guess that makes me a collector. But I buy only what appeals to me musically, so I guess that makes me more like the average fan. I think most readers of Both Sides Now would agree that the record companies rarely do anything with an eye soley towards the collector. People who run record companies usually put out a project hoping it will sell zillions of copies, so of course they don't appeal solely to collectors. In the field of single artist compilations very few "hits" packages have been among that artists greatest successes. The only exceptions that come to mind are Johnny Mathis, Elton John, and John Denver. There are obvious reasons for this. By the time a greatest hits package comes along, most fans already have all the songs that were hits, so why buy them again. Then the businessmen had a brilliant idea, "we'll put just one new song on it so all the fans who love this artist or have to have everything, will buy it just to get the one new song." Guess what, it works. So no, record companies aren't run by idiots, but by very crass, savy businessmen. But I believe they underestimate the number of fans who do seek out specific records to add to their collection. Discoveries, Goldmine, and BSN are just three publications supported practically exclusively by music fans looking for a specific record that you can't find at the local KMart. So when you're putting out your next compilations, why not look around and see what's already out there, and try to include a number of unavailable songs. If you think the average Joe will buy anything you put out anyway, why not aim the product at someone!.............for Bob Olivia, Pat Boone's "I'm Waiting Just For You" is on Bear Family's Fifties Complete box set, along with every A and B side of every hit and in fact, every track Pat recorded for anybody from 1953 through 1959. All 324 tracks. You can find it on sale every now and then for around $200.00. And for Ray Dickenson, "Here Comes That Feeling" is on Brenda Lee's EP Collection, as well as Bear Family's box set Little Miss Dynamite. As usual, both European releases are still available from many mail order firms. |
Name: Christopher
Kissel From: Long Island, NY Time: 1998-07-26 19:41:55 Comments: The June 1998 issue of Hi-Fi Choice (a British magazine) has an article titled "One Way Ticket" under a small banner which says "Feature: Back to Mono" (pg 28,29). In the article "Music writer Phil Strongman entreats audiophiles not to write off mono." The article mentions the early Beatles split-stereo releases and doesn't forget to mention Phil Spector. It goes on to point out a group of pub-rockers named Dr. Feelgood who in 1975 toured under a 'Back To Mono' banner and recorded their first couple of albums in mono. No mention of why their later albums were recorded in stereo. Perhaps not enough listeners shared their enthusiasm for mono! The article then goes on to say that "it has taken the recent years' dance music to bring mono back into serious consideration by the cognoscenti." Pleeeese! The front cover of the magazine has Hi-Fi Choice proudly proclaiming themselves to be "The Finest Hi-Fi Magazine In The World"! You be the judge. |
Name: Graham From: Colorado Springs Time: 1998-07-27 19:32:46 Comments: I got the ? Question Mark and the Mysterians CD 30 Original Recordings. It is from a record because you can here a tick at the end of the song "96 Tears". All the hits! If anyone else has it, how does it sound to you? Mr. C thanks for the info on the Fireballs CD and ...Best of Red Bird/Blue Cat Records (too bad it doesn't have "Give Us Your Blessings"). My home is San Jose CA, but live in Colo Springs. I Heard about new Platters CD? I have and will always cherish my BEAR FAMILY 9 CD Set of The Platters. Bye for now! |
Name: Don Duffey From: Buffalo Time: 1998-07-27 23:16:12 Comments: Here are a few interesting cd's I found from across the pond..[Canada]{the exchange rate is great!} Tom & Jerry: Their Greatest Hits..Volume 2 Domino Records DCD 1014 [Italy] 22 tracks all mono from clean & not so clean records.contains there charter 'Hey School Girl'.. But 22 tracks???? on a vol. 2???? How many records did these guys put out???. Chubby Checker. Mister Twister...BackBiter 6.1006[Germany] I think? There's a sticker on the front that says"Original Aufnahmen Im Master-Sound der 90er Jahre"???? It either means "made from the original master tapes" or "lets twist again like we did last summer" whatever.. 20 tracks all mono but probably the best sounding cd of the ol'chub-meisters hits I've heard.this could be as good as it gets.. 96 Tears QuestionMark & the Mysterians [Merlin 003, England]. All their hits except "I Can't Get Enough Of You Baby." Some of the Cameo/Parkway tracks are stereo but none of the hits [as usual]..sound is pretty good made from tape [of some sort] not bad.. Bobby Rydell Original Hit Records [Park 556] 30 tracks one of the better sounding Rydell packages I've heard. All tracks mono except "That Old Black Magic".."One Girl".."Cherie" "Mammy" "Bobby's Girl" which are stereo. That's all for now. Don D. |
Name: Dan Asvitt From: Pleasant Hill, CA Time: 1998-07-28 02:02:42 Comments: To Tom Moulton: I hope that the Swan masters include Gabriel and the Angels' "That's Life (That's Tough)". Here's a vote for it if they do. |
Name: Jerry Griffith From: Regina, Sask. CANADA Time: 1998-07-28 03:48:50 Comments: To Ray Dickinson: Brenda Lee's "Here Comes That Feelin'" was released in 1962 and charted, peaking at #89 on Billboard. It is available on the Brenda Lee EP Collection from See For Miles [UK#425] and on the Bear Family Boxed Set (if you have the cash). If you have trouble getting it in Calgary, try Discollector in the U.S., they probably have both. Sorry, I have no info on the Boyce & Hart song...perhaps someone else can help, as there isn't much out there on them. |
Name: C J
Brown From: Perrysburg Ohio Time: 1998-07-28 18:22:50 Comments: For Dan Asvitt...."That's Life (That's Tough)" by Gabriel & The Angels is one of my favorite early sixties lost nuggets. This song got lots of airplay in Tucson Arizona on KTKT during it's brief chart run. It is now available on CD. You can find it on The Golden Age Of American Rock N Roll Volume 2 from ACE (UK)CDCHD 4445 . Another one of my favorite lost "Swan" label songs from the same era is "Push And Kick" by Mark Valentino. This tune can be obtained on Oldies I Forgot To Buy on Forevermore 5008. This tune also got lots of airplay in Tucson during it's time.Both tunes are in clean clear mono on these discs. For Tom Moulton....Are the session tapes for these tunes still available? If so , any hope for multi-tracks and a future stereo remix of either song? Does anyone know much about these artists? Thanks......Charlie |
Name: Larry Davis From: Longview, Washington Time: 1998-07-28 23:55:33 Comments: To Don Duffy: You have Tom and Jerry on CD with 22 tracks? I'm jealous. My vinyl album Tom And Jerry Meet Tico And The Triumphs only had 20 tracks on it. |
Name: Steve Massie Time: 1998-07-29 13:47:58 Comments: I wanted to clear up a couple things. First, the song "Along Came Linda" was by Tommy Boyce and had nothing to do with Bobby Hart. It was released on RCA and "bubbled under" in 1962. It was later released on an RCA Camden package of Tommy Boyce tracks when they were trying to take advantage of the Boyce and Hart success. It is not now available on CD. Now, to hopefully clear up the Allen Klein ownership on the early Animals and Herman's Hermits tracks; I've been working on a couple re-issue projects with Bob Feldman, who now lives here in the Nashville area. He has known Allen Klein for many years and tells me this is what he knows about that ownership: Allen Klein was hired by a label in the mid 60's to audit a company that was issuing their product. Klein found many "underreportings" of sales and royalties to several artists and companies. One of them involved the Animals and Herman's Hermits tracks produced by Mickie Most. Klein apparently knew Most so he called him and indicated that he could find him a substantial amount of back royalties. In return, Most offered Klein US ownership of those tracks, once the US deal with MGM ran out. So, obviously Klein accepted the offer. Feldman said that Klein had no management deal with Herman's Hermits and certainly none with the Animals at that time. By the way, this is apparently also how Klein got involved in the Rolling Stones London recordings. |
Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Racine, WI Time: 1998-07-29 17:24:40 Comments: Actually, Allan Klein *was* the manager for the Stones... as for how he got the masters, I'm not sure. I know there was a big dispute at the end of the 60's between Klein and the Stones - that's why they left to form their own record company. |
Name: brian From: cal-uh-forn-yuh Time: 1998-07-29 21:12:33 Comments: Hey?! Is there anyone still looking for the Jukebox Hits compilation CD series?? Well, there was, about 2-3 months ago here. I still have 24 different volumes, and just want to let people know I can help them "fill some gaps". As far as I can tell, they go from 1950 thru 1965, with up to 4 volumes per year. All are packed to the max - 27, 28, 29, 30 31 cuts per disc - with super sounding stuff. If you want to view the contents of most volumes check out www.musicdatabase.com and enter "Jukebox Hits" in the search thingamajig.... Does anyone know if the guys' backing vocals panned all over the place, left to right, back & forth, is on any original STEREO issue of the Ad-Libs' "Boy from New York City"? (This "wacky" mix is heard on a Ripete CD Carolina Classics compilation.) Is it just me, or does anyone else dislike this after-the-fact trickery? I don't particularly care for the newer "stereo" Standells "Dirty Water", either, but that has stereo elaments mixed with "fake" stereo elements & the gimmicky panning on drum roll bits - everything but the kitchen sink! [ -- Well, on the Standells CD, you don't have to listen to the stereo version. The mono's all there just for you. -- MC] |
Name: Graham From: CO Time: 1998-07-29 22:16:19 Comments: Hello, again. Along with the 96 Tears album, I got a Dean Martin CD in stereo of The Reprise Collection. It has "Everybody Loves Somebody", "I Will" and "Houston" on it (16 tracks). Its from the Wonderful World of Music made in Portugal. I found it at Media Center here in Colo Springs. I have just bought a CD from Canada with True Stereo versions of "Go Jimmy Go" by Jimmy Clanton and "I Love You" by The Climax Blues Band on the same CD. Also does anybody know where I can get a Cheap CD with Connie Stevens "Sixteen Reasons"? I saw a CD advertised for $30.00. |
Name: Joel
Goldenberg From: Montreal Time: 1998-07-30 10:47:58 Comments: I don't know if this is the case in the U.S., but those magnificent (and now deleted) 2 albums on one CD Beach Boys releases have cropped up again in local record stores - at least three releases Today/Summer Days Summer Nights, Smiley Smile/Wild Honey and Friends/20/20 for only $13.99 Canadian. I know these have been recently re-released because the back cover identifies EMI Music Canada, which did not exist under that name in 1990. What's happening south of the border? |
Name: Christopher
Kissel From: Long Island, New York Time: 1998-07-30 23:34:18 Comments: Recently picked up an interesting compilation titled The President's Greatest Hits: I Think We're Alone Now on BMG Special Products (7551744762-2). The front cover has a cartoon depiction of the White House on it. The track listing is as follows (all tracks stereo, except where noted): Afternoon Delight - Starland Vocal Band, Get Down Tonight - KC & The Sunshine Band, Hey Paula - Paul & Paula (M), Me & Mrs. Jones - Billy Paul, Go All The Way - The Raspberries (usual E), Slow Hand - Pointer Sisters, I Think We're Alone Now - Tommy James & The Shondells (M), Makin' Whoopee - Nilsson, Young Girl - Gary Puckett & The Union Gap, More, More, More (Part 1) - Andrea True Connection. Sound quality is not too bad overall. The CD itself has what looks like a Presidential seal on it with a saxophone. I don't know what's more hilarious, the concept and execution of this CD or the fact that a major label has released it! As Jay & The Americans would say, "Only in America"! |
Name: Joel
Goldenberg From: Montreal Time: 1998-07-31 15:25:13 Comments: Whatever happened to Polygram remasterer extraordinaire Dennis Drake? I loved his work on the Lesley Gore Greatest Hits. |
Name: Marty
Natchez Time: 1998-07-31 22:09:03 Comments: : Before Swan Records was literally sold for a song in the '60s, Freddy Cannon was smart enough to obtain his master tapes. Since then, he's controlled all licensing rights to those recordings. New information has surfaced that Rollercoaster Records in Britian, which owns the Swan tapes by other artists, also has Freddy Cannon tapes in its posession. And, reportedly, there are multi-tracks of the mono Swan masters Cannon owns. In contacting Cannon and posing this information, he responded that he was aware of the discovered tapes, but because Rollercoaster has consistently refused to turn them over to him, he will forbid any remixing or release of them to any label. He is adamant that the tapes are righfully his and feels it's more important to secure his rights to the multi-tracks over demands from stereo collectors. A more unfortunate situation could not exist, when CD reissues are flourishing. What can be done? How does a "Let's fight for Freddy" campaign sound? Get him back his multi-tracks, and maybe we'd be rewarded with an limited-edition "BSN Appreciation CD" of Swan stereo mixes from the "Boom Boom" man himself? Aren't we the market? Aren't we the power? The mission is clear. Either we speak up or just keep dreaming. Comments? |