This page contains all the messages put onto the BSN Stereo Chat Board during February, 1999. They are in chronological order from first to last. To search for specific topics, use the "find" utility on your browser. For a search of the complete archives, please go to the Stereo Chat Board Archives Main Page.
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Name: Paul Bigelow From: Austin, TX Time: 1999-02-01 08:44:43 Comments: Ed, "The Complete Buddy Holly" has never been on CD. I think legal wrangling has kept a box from appearing. Hopefully, the tape vaults are protected as time keeps slipping away. Come on Bear Family, go for it! |
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Name: Paul From: Fl Time: 1999-02-01 14:37:14 Comments: Does anyone have Secret Life by The Dave Clark Five. I heard it's a new Dutch import. How's the sound quality? Worth purchasing? Any info appreciated! |
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Name: Bradley Olson Website: Bradley Olson-A Person with Autism From: Bemidji, Minnesota Time: 1999-02-01 21:14:22 Comments: Ed, there is a stereo version of "Boo Boo Stick Beat" on the Essential Chet Atkins CD on RCA. I do have the "Essential Chet Atkins" CD in my collection and is a great remaster by Benny Quinn and can be bought and/or special ordered at any music store in the US. Teensville is available as a German import on RCA "Living Stereo." The "Teensville" CD can be ordered online at any online music store including Collector's Choice Music at http://www.ccmusic.com |
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Name: Boppin' Brian From: ...wear yer wetsuit if'n you gonna SURF,bub Time: 1999-02-01 22:24:09 Comments: Hey, anyone got any "tips" on any of the following reissue CDs & labels....comments, good or bad: Castle 8068 "World of Psychedelic" " " (# unk.)"The Sound of Young America" (2 CD set series...Motown ???) Kenwest 811 "Doo Wop Days' SoulSupply...."Cream of Vintage Soul" Warner Bros. 21412 "Another Trip Down Memory Lane" GRF..."The Sixties Decade" series Telesonic..."The Magic Collection" series & any "tips" on the following labels: Crimson, Edel, Edel, Essential, Flash, Golden/GoldenBlues/Golden Jazz, Newsound, Tring...... Are any of these to be avoided like the plague ?? All purport to contain '50s/'60s/'70s hits -- i wanna avoid re-recordings, shoddy mastering, etc. ("Hey, take a number, bub !!"BYE !! |
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Name: Bob Olivia From: Burbank, California Time: 1999-02-02 03:39:29 Comments: Just got today the double Cd of the Beatles first 4 albums in stereo from England, Fantastic sound and stereo. Happy Just To Dance With You has sounds never heard before, definetely from master tapes. All Beatle fans, this is a must. Also received Dion & Belmonts. Great to hear I Wonder Why in Stereo, even if it;s 2 track. also has a great mono alternate take of I Wonder Why. Anyone heard when Eric is releasing Betty Johnson? Was told by Eric maybe March. Bye for now. Bob. |
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Name: curt lundgren Website: ReelRadio From: Minneapolis, MN Time: 1999-02-02 06:44:20 Comments: To Paul Bigelow: Thanks for the heads up on the "I Love To Sing" set by Petula Clark. It's everything you said & more! Now who offers the best packages on Sandi Shaw and Cilla Black? |
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Name: Luke Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Racine, WI Time: 1999-02-02 17:13:48 Comments: Re: Beatles - I'm fairly sure that the various sets were taken from clean MFSL pressings. I've only heard a few of them, and while good, they are not up to the quality of say, the tracks on the Red CD (which are in stereo, unlike those on the original CDs). |
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Name: Paul Stoddard Website: From: Boston, MA Time: 1999-02-02 17:27:35 Comments: There's hope for oldies lovers yet! The following piece was written by Ian McIntosh from the AOR Basement web site and was included in the current issue of the STRIKTLY FOR KONNISSUERS AOR e-zine: "Going back to the theme for some of my other recent columns about labels ignoring huge sections of the music buying public: Virgin in the UK are planning to redesign a number of the stores to, and I quote, "appeal to 30+ customers rather than 15-24". Sounds like someone is waking up to what is really behind the problems of the current music industry - if a major retailer like that is making such a move (even if they do charge extortionate prices) then some major labels are finally going to have to wake up.... Initially Virgin is conducting the redesign on one store outside London: all being successful, the next store it would be applied to would be the flagship main London Virgin Megastore." So, can the U.S. be far behind? On the downside, however, a local Tower Records store here in Burlington, MA has gotten rid of its oldies department. |
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Name: Jay Johnston From: London, Ontario Time: 1999-02-02 19:24:22 Comments: For Curt Lundgren: Curt, the best package that I have found of Sandie Shaw is the one that Sequel Records put out about five years ago, called 64/67 complete sandieshaw. It is a 2cd set with 56 tracks and great sound. As for Cilla Black, the only one that I have seen lately, and the one in my collection is Cilla Black, The Best of the EMI Years, EMI Records, UK. It has 26 tracks and the sound is pretty good. I think both are still available from various online stores. Hope this helps. |
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Name: Graham From: Co Time: 1999-02-02 21:07:40 Comments: Don't forget its the 40th Anniversary of Buddy Holly, The Big Bopper and Ritchie Valens, oh yes don't forget the pilot too, 's death in a plane crash (The Day the Music Died)! Recently I saw a message about a box set on Buddy Holly on CD? I bought the Cassette Box Set version about 5 years ago, it was made in '79. It is a 6 Cassette set with about 21 to 23 tracks on each cassette. A real gem, at least it is on tape. It comes with a cool booklet, about 65 pages. I have only opened the cassette with "Lonesome Tears", which is my favorite song by him. The others are still in the thier paper wrappings. Does anyone know if "Lonesome Tears" is available on CD? At least I can try to get my favorite Buddy Holly song on CD. And again does anyone know if there will be a box set like the one I have on CD, ever? Do you know Mr C? |
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Name: Mark Mathews From: NY Time: 1999-02-03 19:28:39 Comments: Hi All, since it's topical--I heard the name of the the plane the pilot was carrying our three legends in was the "American Pie". Is this common knowledge or false trivia? Also a question for you all, does anyone recall the name/label/country of origin for the Import Best-of for Dusty Springfield that contains the Stereo "I Only Want To Be With You" alternate take? I rushed out to get the Taragon CDwith the correct hit version but I would also like that alternate take. I just can't remember which one it was....any info much appreciated! Please feel free to e-mail if possible. Thanks! -MM |
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Name: Charles G. Hill Website: Chez Chaz From: Dustbury, Oklahoma Time: 1999-02-03 22:29:49 Comments: For Mark Mathews: The plane carrying Buddy Holly, the Big Bopper and Ritchie Valens didn't have a name - it's just one of those stories that cropped up. Read more at http://www.snopes.com/music/artists/amerpie.htm. |
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Name: Paul Stoddard Website: Time: 1999-02-04 12:04:33 Comments: I just had a look at the Bear Family Records web site and found out that all of the Jamie Records individual and various artist packages that Bear issued have all been discontinued. This includes the 3 Duane Eddy single CDs, the 4-CD Duane Eddy box set, and the 2-CD Jamie/Guyden Story. If you were thinking about getting any of these, you should probably act soon. The site didn't say how long ago the titles were discontinued, so there may still be some stock in the pipeline. However, I did read in ICE that Jamie has started issuing CDs here in the U.S. There are 2 currently available, with a 3rd expected in April. If anyone knows more about U.S. Jamie's release plans, some of us would be grateful if you'd post the info. |
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Name: Graham From: Co Time: 1999-02-04 18:56:21 Comments: Hey just listened to the Beatles first four CD's that were in Mono in Stereo from a package from Disc Collector. There are two cd's in the package with two albums on each. But they spelled the Beatles wrong on the corners. (Beatls). Also "Love Me Do" and "PS I Love You" are in Mono. I can't remember (I'm getting old) if they were ever in stereo!!!! (Some Beatles Fan huh). |
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Name: Luke Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Racine, WI Time: 1999-02-04 22:22:50 Comments: Love Me Do and P.S. I Love You (as well as She Loves You and I'll Get You) have never been released in stereo. After the songs were mixed the two track masters were scrapped. Only the mono single masters exist... |
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Name: Richard Otis From: Bellingham, Wa. Time: 1999-02-06 03:53:17 Comments: Is the Beatles' song You Can't Do That the only recording of their's to be released in stereo in Europe and Asia and only in mono in the U.S.? |
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Name: Joel Goldenberg From: Montreal Time: 1999-02-06 08:35:42 Comments: For Richard: You Can't Do That was released in stereo on Rock n Roll Music (1976). In fact, the songs on the entire two-LP set were remixed by George Martin. Now for my query - I was surprised to find out that Charlie Rich re-recorded many of his hits (and non-hits) for our old nemesis, the Dominion label. From what I've heard in the limited fidelity of Real Audio, they're not bad. Anyone know when these were recorded? A huge gap exists in his career between the early 1980s and 1992. |
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Name: Mike Cloud From: Houston, TX Time: 1999-02-06 10:39:09 Comments: To Richard: At the time of their initial release, Capitol rechanneled several Beatle's songs which were stereo in Europe. "I Want to Hold Your Hand", "And Your Bird Can Sing", "I'm Only Sleeping", and "I Feel Fine" come to mind. I've always believed it was done to make the recordings sound stronger with more "punch". |
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Name: Barry Cashion From: Mooresville, NC Time: 1999-02-06 10:41:56 Comments: Hi everyone... I was wondering if you all could give me any info. on a few "obscurities"... On the Ace UK CD "Where The Girls Are...", there is a song called "I'm Thru" by Carolyn Carter which originally came out on Jamie 1294 in 1965. Very nice song; sounds kind of "Spectory". I don't think it ever charted at all. Does anyone know anything about Ms. Carter? The booklet didn't say very much about her, just that this was her only known release. Also, I recently bought a 2-CD set from UK Polygram called "And The Beat Goes On Vol. 2--40 Classics Of The 60s" which contains two songs I had never heard before: "Jesamine" by the Casuals and "Rain & Tears" by Aphrodite's Child. These are both absolutely gorgeous songs! They're both from ca. 1968; since they're both British in origin, I don't know if either was ever released in the US at the time. Can anyone give me any info. on these, such as artist bios and chart data? Thanks... |
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Name: Richard Otis From: Bellingham, Wash. Time: 1999-02-06 13:44:52 Comments: For Barry, Jesamine by the Casuals made #3 in the U.K. on Oct, 68 right behind Hey Jude and Those Were The Days and on Vol-2 of the Beat Goes On series the song Toy is on their also by the Casuals and written by Chris Andrews. That is all I can find. |
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Name: Luke Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Racine, WI Time: 1999-02-06 18:27:46 Comments: Re: Beatles - For the Rock & Roll Music LPs, only the two track mixes (the ones from PPM and WTB) were touched - the four track ones (everything else) were not. I believe some echo and compression was used, and some of the bass sound was filtered out and moved over to the right channel. As for why some songs were rechanneled on Capitol LPs, it's because Capitol didn't bother asking EMI for the stereo mixes at the time, so instead used the mono ones and rechanneled them. For the record, the only songs not released in stereo are: Love Me Do, P.S. I Love You, She Loves You, I'll Get You, Only A Northern Song, and You Know My Name, Look Up The Number. The first four will probably never be heard in stereo, as the two track masters are long gone. The last two *were* issued in stereo on the Anthology series, but the mixes are not the same... They could be remixed if someone wanted to. Also, the second half of I Am The Walrus has never been (and may not ever be) in stereo, as the (mono) mix incorporated live radio feed. The only way a stereo mix would be possible would be to seperate out the radio feed from the rest of the mix, which would be hard to say the least... |
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Name: Larry Davis From: Longview, Washington Time: 1999-02-06 19:23:56 Comments: A question for Graham: You said you had just listened to the import Beatles CDs in stereo, but you never commented on the sound. You didn't even say if you prefer them to the mono. I'm considering getting them too, but would like to know something about how they sound. |
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Name: Ed Steklasa From: Ely MN Time: 1999-02-06 20:05:11 Comments: For Graham, I picked up about 10 Buddy Holly & the Crickets CDR's on the SUMO label from Japan at a bargain bin store in Canada last summer. Sumo 98555. This is an amazing disc, containing 34 tracks (10 true stereo,and Ed Sullivan show appearance), with excellent sound. I also picked up several other of their products and they are great! Link Wray, Johnny Cash, Paul Revere & Raiders, Jack Scott, Ricky Nelson, etc. I assume the (V) means a vinyl source was used because you can hear just the slightest hint of vinyl background noise on those tracks(only at the beginning.) Here's the track lineup: 1. YOU'RE SO SQUARE 2. WORDS OF LOVE 3. WELL ALL RIGHT 4. EARLY IN THE MORNING 5. EVERYDAY 6. FOOL'S PARADISE 7. HEARTBEAT 8. I'M GONNA LOVE YOU TOO 9. RAVE ON 10. I'M LOOKIN' FOR SOMEONE TO LOVE 11. IT'S SO EASY 12. PEGGY SUE 13. LISTEN TO ME 14. LONESOME TEARS(V) 15. MAYBE BABY 16. THAT'LL BE THE DAY 17. NOT FADE AWAY 18. OH BOY 19. READY TEDDY 20. REMINISCING 21. TAKE YOUR TIME 22. TELL ME HOW 23. THINK IT OVER 24. BROWN-EYED HANDSOME MAN(V)-(ST) 25. TRUE LOVE WAYS(STUDIO TALK)-(ST) 26. CRYIN' WAITIN' HOPIN'(ST) 27. WHAT TO DO(V)(ST) 28. SLIPPIN' & SLIDIN'(V)(ST) 29. IT DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE(ST) 30. PEGGY SUE GOT MARRIED(ST) 31. LEARNING THE GAME(ST) 32. RAINING IN MY HEART(ST) 33. BO DIDDLEY(V)(ST) 34. ED SULLIVAN SHOW - DEC 01,1957 |
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Name: Chip Cristarella From: New Jersey Time: 1999-02-07 11:16:55 Comments: For Luke: It wasn't that Capitol didn't bother to ask EMI/George Martin for Stereo Beatles masters, it's because those songs weren't mixed into stereo at the time Capitol released them. In almost all cases, the re-channelled Beatles mixes Capitol released (with the exception of "Love Me Do", "P.S. I Love You", "She Loves You", & "I'll Get You") were songs envisioned as "singles" or "extended-play" releases, not album tracks, so stereo mixes were not done at the time of the mono mixes. An exception to this were the three "Revolver" tracks on "Yesterday...& Today!", in which Capitol hounded EMI so much for "new" material they were sent rough mono mixes of 3 songs ("And Your Bird Can Sing", Dr. Robert", "I'm Only Sleeping") just to shut them up! In fact, the "Revolver" sessions weren't even FINISHED when those tracks were released in the US! Jeez, "Paperback Writer" & "Rain" weren't mixed to stereo until 1969 for the "Hey Jude" LP. And "Baby You're A Rich Man" waited until 1972 for it's stereo mix! |
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Name: Luke Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 1999-02-07 14:34:25 Comments: Re: Beatles - I don't have "Recording Sessions" handy, but I do think stereo mixes *were* made of some of the songs, it's just that Capitol didn't ask for them... In some cases stereo mixes were not made, but EMI probably would have seen they were made, as many 'experimental' stereo mixes were made throughout the years, and stereo mixes were specifically made for the 'Collection of Beatles Oldies' LP in 1966. At any rate, the moral is Capitol was evil and George Martin has many a clouded memory:) |
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Name: Joe Barnaby From: Massachusetts Time: 1999-02-07 17:51:13 Comments: Some of the "experimental" Beatles stereo mixes came out on various foreign releases over the years; for example, the earlier stereo mixes of "I Want To Hold Your Hand" have both been released. The 1963 stereo mix surfaced on the 1976 Australian 45 reissue, with the B side "This Boy" also appearing in true stereo. The 1965 stereo mix has appeared on a number of 1960's European LP's, notably the German Odeon THE BEATLES BEAT LP. This stereo mix is a lot closer to the U.S. 45 mix IMO than the 1966 mix issued here on the 20 GREATEST HITS LP and the PAST MASTERS 1 CD. This is the same mix that first appeared on the 1966 UK LP A COLLECTION OF BEATLES OLDIES, where "Paperback Writer " was mixed into stereo in 1966 for that LP, but not released here in the U.S. until the "Hey Jude" LP as earlier noted. |
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Name: Luke Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 1999-02-07 19:54:00 Comments: Re: Experimental Beatles' mixes - that's right. Recording Sessions notes many of them as being left unused, but in fact they were used on foreign albums. Joe Brennan's website has a lot of useful information on various recording variations. I'd strongly suggest a visit... http://www.columbia.edu/~brennan/beatles/var-index.html |
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Name: Joel Goldenberg From: Montreal Time: 1999-02-07 21:23:42 Comments: For Luke: Even the newer songs on Rock n' Roll Music were remixed. Helter Skelter has different sounds, and the vocals are louder on Hey Bulldog. (John's voice was very low on the Yellow Submarine mix.) As well, on the latter, the channels were reversed. |
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Name: Luke Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 1999-02-08 00:06:39 Comments: Re: R&R Music - As far as the channels being reversed, this is simply a screwup of the cables - ALL of the tracks have the channels reversed. As for the other mixes, I've never heard any differences, and no different mixes have been reported... |
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Name: Mike Arcidiacono Time: 1999-02-08 14:16:51 Comments: STEREO ALERT!! The fabulous "Youre The One" by The Vouges, mono for over 35 years will FINALLY be out in true stereo on the Varese Cd "Rock and Roll Love Songs" due March 9th. My info is that it is binarual, and sounds fabulous. According to Varese, This is from the first generation tape on which The Vouges recorded their vocals onto the left channel. The instro track was dumped from a multi onto the right channel. Being one or more full generations lower, this version should sound amazing. For this stereo fanatic, this is the track of the year. Thank you, Cary Mansfield!!!! Mikey |
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Name: Chas Time: 1999-02-09 17:11:05 Comments: FOR LUKE:Here's your chance to CLEAR SIR GEORGE MARTIN'S..AS QUOTED BY YOU:"MANY A CLOUDED MEMORY"AN Evening With SIR GEORGE MARTIN.."The Fifth Beatle"..Legendary Beatle Producer, Arranger, Composer, and Author " The Making of The Beatles Sergeant Pepper" a Multi Media Lecture Wed. March 3rd, 1999..8 P.M. Town Hall 23 West 43Rd Street, NYC. Maybe you can call the BOX OFFICE and tell them that they have the WRONG man...HIS MEMORY IS CLOUDED and they should have YOU LECTURE instead SIR LUKE the Primo BEATLE EXPERT... |
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Name: Luke Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 1999-02-09 17:28:17 Comments: Chas, re: I only speak the truth. In an interview in 1987 (http://www.best.com/~abbeyrd/kozinn.htm), Martin claimed the stereo issues of the early LPs did not come out till he left EMI in late 1965. Not true - not only did they come out concurrently with the mono issues (well, a month or two later for Please Please Me), Martin actually supervised the stereo mixes (in many cases they were made at the same session as the mono ones). He was actually corrected about the release dates, but in later interviews continuted to say they didn't come out till after he left. He's also said that Abbey Road didn't get 4 track until late 1963, when in fact 4 track was there two years earlier, but groups like the Beatles just did not have access to it... |
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Name: barry margolis From: Minneapolis, MN Time: 1999-02-09 21:33:29 Comments: I haven't posted lately and after reading through a bunch of messages, perhaps it's a good idea to mention that nearly ALL THE US COMPANIES were guilty of not caring which tape they used to issue albums. Only one groups comes to mind where the US company REQUESTED AND RECEIVED stereo mixes for their albums...and that was The Searchers on Kapp. If Capitol had requested stereo mixes of Beatles' singles, EMI would surely have supplied them. If London has requested stereo mixes of Stones tracks, Decca would've complied. Same goes for Laurie (Gerry & The Pacemakers), Amy (Adam Faith), etc. Additionally, think how amazingly stupid Columbia was to issue Paul Revere & The Raiders albums in beautiful true stereo...while the "hits" were slap-dash rechanneled. Terry Melcher would've remixed them if that was the standard. I can hardly think of any popular hit artist that didn't get the 'grab any mono hit tape and we'll rechannel it" treatment. I destinctly remember how cool it was that all of The Searchers hits |
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Name: Marty Wekser Time: 1999-02-09 21:34:20 Comments: A slight error in Mike Arcidiacono's recent post regarding "You're The One" by The Vogues. It's been mono for 35 years... it's still mono (on the Dick Bartley "Rock & Roll's Greatest Love Songs") released today on Varese. What IS in stereo is "Five O'Clock World" by The Vogues which will appear on the forthcoming Varese Vintage CD "Discoveries Presents Stereo Oldies". I believe Steve Massie listed the tracks on this CD and it's companion CD "Discoveries Presents Stereo Instrumental Oldies" in a fairly recent post. The mix on "Five O'Clock World" is quite wonderful. Fans of "first time stereo" tracks will be pleasantly surprised by this one, but also by many of the others premiering in stereo, especially "Rebel-'Rouser", "Snap Your Fingers", "Wheels", "Anna" and "Manhattan Spiritual." Having mastered these two CD's myself two weeks ago at MCA Studios, I can tell you that the "first-time-stereo" tracks would alone make these CD's essential for your collection, but all the stereo tracks were very carefully selected by Cary Mansfield and his associate producers. These are really nice sets. |
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Name: barry margolis From: Minneapolis, MN Time: 1999-02-09 21:35:11 Comments: Just posted a message - not too long - but the end was cut off! What I said in closing is that all The Searchers' hits ('cept "What Have They Done To The Rain") were in beautiful true stereo...shame The Kinks weren't on Kapp! Why does the end get cutt off. I've seen longer messages, but mine always get cut off. Frustrating, as always. |
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Name: Luke Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 1999-02-09 21:46:03 Comments: Re: Stones Stereo - While I have little doubt that EMI would have made stereo mixes for Capitol, I'm not so sure about the Stones. The Beatles recorded in house (Abbey Road) with a staff producer (George Martin). The Stones, on the other hand, recorded in studios all over (Chess in Chicago and RCA in Hollywood mainly) and worked with Andrew Oldham and whatever engineer was at the studio. I have a feeling that a mix (mono up to Aftermath) was simply made and sent off to Decca, which was then sent off to London. Basically, I don't know if London could have released true stereo versions even if they wanted to. Jeeze, we still don't have true stereo for much of the Stones' early catalog (tracks on the Hot Rocks CDs and a few early '70s LPs being the exception). I can only hope that someday the multitracks get remixed and we hear stereo versions of all those early cuts. |
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Name: Mike Arcidiacono Time: 1999-02-09 21:52:54 Comments: Re: The Vouges.....bad news from Varese....the girl I spoke to mixed up the titles....its "A Five O'clock World" thats stereo from two track, not "Youre The One". I spoke to Cary Mansfield today and he cleared that all up. I'm VERY dissapointed, but thats life!! |
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Name: curt lundgren Website: ReelRadio From: Minneapolis, MN Time: 1999-02-10 07:53:51 Comments: The new Collector's Choice catalog is here, with some pretty interesting stuff, ie: "Instrumental Gems from the 50s", a two-disc companion to their 60s comp. Also, several titles from England's Demon, documenting Huey P. Meaux' Crazy Cajun label. Particulary interesting, a 2-disc set from Doug Sahm & the Sir Douglas Quintet....including "She's About A Mover" AND "The Rains Came". Copy says "....remastered from the original tapes stored in the legendary Gold Star Studios in Texas....". So, sports fans, do we get True Stereo here? Other acts include Delbert McClinton, Doug Kershaw, Ronnie Milsap, etc. Finally, I'm about to spring for the "Roulette Story" 3-disc import. Can anyone review? |
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Name: Paul Stoddard Website: From: Boston, MA Time: 1999-02-10 08:07:15 Comments: Review: Dick Bartley Collector's Essentials: Rock & Roll's Love Songs, Varese Vintage VSD-5992: sonic quality - D, stereo content - F, value - F. If I were Dick Bartley, I'd move quickly to disown this piece of junk. I don't know where Varese comes off putting something like this on the market. There's nothing new, or even noteworthy, here for collectors. It's all been done before, and done better, by others. There are 15 tracks on the CD, 9 in mono 6 in stereo, and one that I can't remember what it was! Of the 9 mono tracks, 4 of them should have been stereo. Here's the track rundown: Temptations - My Girl (brittle mono mix, shrill); Turtles - Happy Together (stereo, but hissy beyond belief); Shirelles - Will You Love Me Tomorrow (stereo, but with heavy echo on lead vocals); Association - Cherish (mono, distorted intro); Everly Bros. - All I Have To Do Is Dream (mono); Dixie Cups - Chapel Of Love (stereo); Troggs - Love Is All Around (mono, hissy); Ruby & The Romantics - Our Day Will Come (stereo); Percy Sledge - When A Man Loves A Woman (mono); Climax - Precious And Few (stereo); Penguins - Earth Angel (mono); Shelley Fabares - Johnny Angel (stereo); Vogues - You're The One (mono, grungy sound); Mercy - Love Can Make You Happy (mono); Frankie Avalon - Venus (???); Lulu - To Sir With Love (mono). I honestly don't remember whether the Avalon track was mono or stereo: I was so disgusted by the time that I got to it that I wasn't paying much attention. The CD went right into the recycle pile. If I'm lucky, I'll get 2 bucks for it at the local used CD shop. If you'd buy this CD to get the Dixie Cups in stereo, consider going for the Taragon Red Bird/Blue Cat CD instead and support a company that really cares about collectors. Needless to say, all of the preceeding is in my humble opinion. |
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Name: Randy Price Website: From: New York Time: 1999-02-10 15:33:57 Comments: Re several recent posts: "Love (Can Make You Happy)" and "Venus" are both stereo on the Dick Bartley Love Songs disc, but as Paul noted, there's nothing new on it. The Sir Douglas Crazy Cajun collection includes both '60s and '70s material. Only the '70s stuff is stereo. I have a bootleg Rolling Stones CD that contains many of their early hits in stereo (sound quality varies), including "The Last Time" and "Have You Seen Your Mother, Baby..." "What Have They Done To The Rain" by the Searchers is in "beautiful" stereo on several CDs, including the Rhino Greatest Hits. "It's Alright" was stereo on Adam Faith's Amy LP. |
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Name: Luke Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 1999-02-10 18:07:55 Comments: Randy, re: Is that the 'Dartford Renegades' set? I've heard that and it's pretty bad... I've heard some cleaned up versions, which, while better, still are not up to par. I have heard from a few people that these tracks (19th Nervous in particular) exist in good quality stereo, but I have yet to hear them... Someday! |
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Name: Andrew Website: From: New Jersey Time: 1999-02-10 20:12:40 Comments: I picked up the 3-CD "Roulette Story" set a few weeks ago for $30. It's not a bad package, with the jazz titles on their own disc. That leaves the early R&B and rock sides on Disc 1, and the later hits and misses on Disc 3. Not much of the package is in stereo, with a few disc-dubs, and "Woo-Hoo" is rechanneled. However, if the line-up appeals to you (which it for me), go for it. |
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Name: Joe Reynolds From: Los Angeles Time: 1999-02-11 01:13:42 Comments: Looking for true stereo...Donovan's "Mellow Yellow", CCR "Proud Mary & Bad Moon Rising" (looking for stereo with some actual separation!), "Lover's Concerto", Johnny River's "These Are Not My People", Boyce & Hart's "Alice Long", Little Eva's "Locomotion", any Freddie Cannon on Swan, "Pied Piper" by Crispian St. Peters and "Ramblin Gamblin Man" by Bob Seger System...all have eluded me for years..Thanks for any help.... |
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Name: Luke Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 1999-02-11 02:08:57 Comments: Joe, re: I have a feeling the Donovan tracks will never be in stereo, as the rumor is Mickey Most wiped the multitracks when he was done with them to reuse them. Quite a shame. As for CCR, email Tom Daly - he may be able to help you out. |
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Name: Chip Cristarella From: New Jersey Time: 1999-02-11 12:41:29 Comments: Luke: Mickie Most did NOT wipe Donovan's multis, they are stored safe and sound in EMI's vaults, along with his Animals & Herman's Hermits multis and mono stage tapes. (I heard the multi for the back track of "Mellow Yellow" some years ago...) So there's some hope. |
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Name: Luke Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 1999-02-11 12:45:46 Comments: Chip, re: I was just relaying what I heard, but if what you say is true, yea! Now if someone would actually *use* those tapes... |
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Name: Alex Shkoditzh From: Long Island, NY Time: 1999-02-11 21:08:03 Comments: Anyone have info on Bell Records (Bell Musik, BmbH Germany)? I just picked up a used copy of "Simon & Garfunkle digitally remastered" Catalog #BLR 89 411. Bell seems to have an impressive roster of greatest hits packages available, according to their inserted advertisements. Unfortunately the S & G package sounds muffled, compressed and flat but I have read in these pages about how lousy their masters sounded until the recent boxed set (an investment I am not yet prepared to make). Does anyone know if there is any good in the rest of the Bell catalog? Or is this just a pirate company rip off? (Shame because this has a good title selection and none of the inferior live versions that Columbia included on their S & G "Greatest Hits package). |
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Name: Luke Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 1999-02-11 22:05:52 Comments: Re: S&G - Funny, I kind of like those live versions:) Not the crossfades, but... Hopefully they will turn up on one a future S&G reissue. As for Old Friends, it is really awsome. The sound is basically stunning. If you like S&G I'd really urge you to pick it up... |
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Name: Randy Price Website: From: New York Time: 1999-02-12 01:07:57 Comments: Luke, the CD I have is "The Rolling Stones in Stereo" on Chapter One (CO 25203). Sound throughout is rather murky, lacking in high end, but it does provide a glimpse of what could be, if only someone would do it right. |
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Name: Luke Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 1999-02-12 01:11:49 Comments: Randy, re: Ahh, I have heard of that CD, but I've never heard it. I'd bet it is similar to Dartford Renegades... If I'm lucky I may come across a better sounding version of 19th Nervous, so... Of course all of the tracks on Hot Rocks sans 19th Nervous and As Tears Go By are in (good) stereo on the UK/Jap Hot Rocks 1 CD, which is now out of print... And Goin' Home is in good stereo on the UK/Jap Aftermath CD... |
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Name: Garrett Jamieson Website: SoundOff Communications From: Michigan Time: 1999-02-12 14:56:53 Comments: I have a promo CD from Westwood One Radio Prod. called "On The Radio-Rarities on CD vol. 4". This contains Satisfaction and Get Off My Cloud in true stereo (rhythm track right, vocals and lead guit. on left). Some of the tracks on this CD are dubbed from vinyl (i.e. Badfinger off 45), but the Stones tracks are quite clear. I can CD-R this if interested. |
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Name: Boppin' Brian From: chilly but clear so. cal. Time: 1999-02-12 15:25:11 Comments: On the subject of BritBeat STEREO / Mickie Most - - Donovan, Animals, Yardbirds - - I doubt that we will ever see any new stereo, whether or not the session masters still exist or not. As it happens, EMI/Columbia still holds "hostage" the Yardbirds' earliest session reels in a dispute between the band &/or their management, Georgio Gomelsky (sp.?), over payments/advances/fees that originated right after the sessions took place in the mid - 60s. The original hit "It's Alright" by Adam Faith is stereo on the Rhino "British Invasion" v.a. cd series. The best run-down on various BEATLES stereo variations/mixes/releases/escapes I recall seeing was by a L.A. area friend & fanatic in the pages of "Goldmine", probably 10 years ago. Since that time this basic research has turned up in expanded, sometimes erroneous, form in at least one book, from I think "Popular Culture ink.". Off the top of my head, "Yes It Is", orig./unedited has yet to turn up in stereo. The most hopeless case, as I recall the story goes that the group couldn't get in to the studio that day where the multi-track recording could be done as it was in use by (an)other artist(s) - - "She Loves You / I'll Get You". Anyone with any further details / who - what's / an Abbey Road sessions log handy may be able to detail this story more thoroughly. As discussed below, The Rolling Stones mid 60s stuff in stereo on various "unofficial" releases is muddy at best. What I'm wondering is if some of those 10-20 year old import compilation LPs that I passed over in shops held any "stereo secrets" in their grooves. For one example, the entire Chess session that produced "It's All Over Now" + + was cut in stereo. ...as was (most? ..all?) RCA Hollywood stuff. A Japanese collection documented the Chess dates, another couple I'd only seen on lists did the same for other dates. I suppose this info. is all out there somewhere - - anyone ? Strange as it may sound to all of those digital devotees out there, various German Japanese & other "import" LP - - - - vinyl 12 " long playing records - - - even some of the earliest U.K.-pressed/ London U.S.-jacketed (flat, dark maroon label, silver print) albums sound better than the Alan Kleinco crappola U.S. CDs !!!. I remember reading somewhere that U.K. consumers had the same cruddy masters & track line - ups (U.S. album releases) substituted (or was it offered alongside..?!?!) the original U.K. albums on CD reissue (re-reissue??!). Anyone got reviews of Buffalo Springfield 3 (4!?!) cd set & Simon & Garfunkel reissues seen in pages of U.K. magazines (Mojo ? Q?...?!?) record shop ads ? BYE for now ! |
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Name: Luke Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 1999-02-12 17:53:13 Comments: Brian, re: Yes It Is - Available in stereo on the Past Masters 1 CD (available at any local Best Buy). She Loves You/I'll Get You - both recorded on two track, but the masters went missing sometime in 1963. That's why they had to do a re-recording for Sie Liebt Dich. Stones - The following tracks are available in good/very good quality stereo on the London (UK/Jap) Hot Rocks 1 CD - Time Is On My Side, Heart Of Stone, Play With Fire, Satisfaction, Get Off Of My Cloud, Mother's Little Helper, Paint It Black, and Under My Thumb. It's All Over Now and I Can't Be Satisfied are available in stereo on the More Hot Rocks CDs. All of the Chess (Chicago) and RCA (Hollywood) material was recorded on 4 track, so stereo mixes could be made (if the multitracks can be found). What A Shame and Down The Road Apeice are both in stereo on the US (ABKCO) NOW! CD. A few other tracks (Everybody Needs Somebody To Love and Look What You've Done, notably) are available in stereo on various Decca LPs. Hope this clears things up. |
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Name: Jim Warrick From: Burke, VA Time: 1999-02-12 22:36:28 Comments: In the 2/99 Collectors' Choice music catalog there is a new listing for Charley Pride - a 3 CD Reader's Digest 72 track collection. Has anyone heard anything from this collection and can you provide any comments on sound quality? Also, is the Cascades collection any good? Thanks for any help anyone can provide. |
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Name: Mike Arcidiacono Time: 1999-02-13 13:51:22 Comments: For Jim W. The Cascades collection on Taragon is VERY good, in fact, its great. I am a huge Cascades collector, and this is the Holy Grail. Its the ONLY CD that has the RCA material, which is some of the best stuff the group ever did, and its all in stereo!! Every other appearance of the RCA tracks, whether on record, tape, or Cd, has this material in bad mono. I have every Cd on this group, including the 2 bootlegs, and this is the one to get. Hope this helps. Mikey |
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Name: Steve Massie Time: 1999-02-13 17:39:38 Comments: It has been clearly stated in several places, including the "Beatles Recording Session" book that the 2 tracks to "She Loves You" and "I'll Get You" were scrapped after the mono mixdown was made. Therefore, any thought that those songs will magically show up one day in stereo is "interesting" at best. By the way, the stereo tape master of "Manhattan Spirtual" has been found and Marty Wekser will be mastering it next week for the upcoming "Discoveries Magazine Presents Stereo Instrumentals" CD coming out on Varese. On another subject, I think the whole idea of the Dick Bartley "Love Songs" CD on Varese has been totally missed. That is simpy a package with some of the more famous love songs of the rock era on one CD. No claim has ever been made that this was going to be a "unique" package. And the mono version of "Cherish" is right off the mono single master. As most of you know, not every CD done by labels is going to be that real "collectors" gem. These companies need to release product that will make them money or we'll never see the packages with the "rarities".Too often that fact is ignored or neglected by collectors. We have to realize that we probably make up less than 2000 potential CD sales to companies. I've seen sales figures on releases from some of the labels mentioned on this site as being "collector" friendly and I can assure you that some of the numbers are so small that a lot of money will be lost on them.I'm talking about sales numbers that barely approach 1000 where a break-even point may be at least 5000. One final issue; I'll be interested to see the response to the two Varese "Discovery" CDs since these were put together specifically with the real collector in mind. A lot of these songs are either first time stereo on US CD or hard-to-find stereo cuts. I spent a lot of "off-the-clock" time on the mastering of the 18 tracks I worked on for these packages to make sure they would come out the best they could and Marty Wekser spent a lot time and energy tracking down the Reg Owen master even though we had an excellent disc transfer.By the way, I think everyone will be very pleased with the stereo mix of "Five O'Clock World".That song does only exist in two track form but I worked a long time at trying to create the best "stereo mix" possible.The release date on these two is April 6th. and if these two do well enough I'm sure there will be more in the series. |
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Name: Luke Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 1999-02-13 22:21:56 Comments: Steve, re: While Recording Sessions does mention the fact that the tape was gone, it is also worthy to note that it was not EMI practice at the time to scrap session tapes. The book notes that very early stuff (EMI audition, Love Me Do sessions) was in fact scrapped, but that EMI changed the practice of scrapping/reusing session tapes in early 1963 - that's why complete session tapes exist for the Please Please Me LP session and the From Me To You session. One of the theories these days is that the tape was in fact stolen and that it could show up some day. I'm not sure if this is the case, but I don't think EMI threw the tape out, willingly at least. |
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Name: Mike Arcidiacono Time: 1999-02-14 11:32:12 Comments: Re:She Loves You......Lets clear up the point that EMI certainly did NOT "scrap" the 2 track session tape for SLY. They certainly would have kept that to do a stereo release, as they did with all the others. What *may* have happened is that the tape became damaged from the bulky tape machines of the time, or, as the Beatles were becoming popular, an Abbey road helper simply walked off with the tape. Where that tape is now is anybodys guess. Hopefully, along the way, someone, somewhere made a tape copy of it. Maybe someday, we will hear it. |
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Name: Paul Stoddard Website: From: Boston, MA Time: 1999-02-14 13:40:54 Comments: I went to Tower Records yesterday and looked through the compilations section. You really have to be careful these days. In addition to K-Tel/Dominion, you now have Madacy and, possibly, Crimson serving up re-recordings. If you're lucky, there will be a very tiny warning about the re-recordings printed on the back of the jewel box liner. Of course, you have to think to look for it!.....Collectors should avoid a new CD on the Sequel label, entitled "Invictus Charbusters". The sticker on the jewel box claims that the tracks have been remastered. what they didn't say is what they were remastered from! The tracks by the Honey Cone sound good and are all stereo. The Freda Payne track, "Band Of Gold", is mono. Tracks by the Chairmen Of The Board and Flaming Ember are plagued with dropouts and audible tape damage: on "Westbound #9", the volume on the left channel keeps fading up and down. The high end on many of the tracks is at an ear-piercing level. And, to add insult to injury, it looks like someone tried to rechannel the stereo tracks! The right channel has an overly-prominent bass that sounds unnatural.....With respect to oldies compilations: regardless of the reason they are released, poor quality is still poor quality and not acceptable. How is a collector to tell the difference between a run-of-the-mill "product" that was put out just to turn some dollars, and a package to which some care and attention was given? Surely the record labels are not going to put a sticker on the shrink wrap to tell you!.....In the recent past, there have been a couple of labels that have reissued newly-found stereo tapes. Because they were of the 2-track variety, the companies felt that they had to mix the channels very close to center. In doing so, they spoiled the whole stereo effect. They might just as well have left it mono. I firmly believe that wide, 2-track stereo should be left just as it is. I sincerely hope that there weren't any over-zealous channel mixers at work on the new Discoveries CDs. I have a copy of the Vogues' "5 O'Clock World" in its widely-separated, 2-track form so I'll definitely have a basis for comparison! |
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Name: Steve Massie Time: 1999-02-14 21:54:52 Comments: re: the recent Paul Stoddard post commenting on "over-zealous" remastering. Well, Paul, I had already mentioned that I did the remastering and re-mixing on "Five O'Clock World" so obviously you were talking about me. You can refer to me by name; I won't be offended.But yes I did SLIGHTLY narrow the two channels so there is something in the middle channel, not just the emptiness of two completely separate tracks.That song, and others in that two track mode, were never meant to be released that way. In the case of "Five O'Clock World" the backing track and vocal tracks were cut at two different studios. I understand the backing track was done here in Nashville and the vocals at Gateway Recording in Pittsburg. I did the same slight narrowing of the three track mix of "The In Crowd" by Dobie Gray on the last Dick Bartley "On The Radio" series. If you gave 10 collectors a basic two track tape you'd have 10 different mixes.So who's right and who's wrong?It just so happens that I'm hired by a company because of my experience and expertise and so far the people that pay me haven't complained once about my mixes.I spend a great deal of time working on individual tracks to make sure they sound the absolute best they can.So if you've already decided you're not going like any other mix of "Five O'Clock World" then you're not going like mine. |
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Name: Steve Massie Time: 1999-02-14 21:55:01 Comments: re: the recent Paul Stoddard post commenting on "over-zealous" remastering. Well, Paul, I had already mentioned that I did the remastering and re-mixing on "Five O'Clock World" so obviously you were talking about me. You can refer to me by name; I won't be offended.But yes I did SLIGHTLY narrow the two channels so there is something in the middle channel, not just the emptiness of two completely separate tracks.That song, and others in that two track mode, were never meant to be released that way. In the case of "Five O'Clock World" the backing track and vocal tracks were cut at two different studios. I understand the backing track was done here in Nashville and the vocals at Gateway Recording in Pittsburg. I did the same slight narrowing of the three track mix of "The In Crowd" by Dobie Gray on the last Dick Bartley "On The Radio" series. If you gave 10 collectors a basic two track tape you'd have 10 different mixes.So who's right and who's wrong?It just so happens that I'm hired by a company because of my experience and expertise and so far the people that pay me haven't complained once about my mixes.I spend a great deal of time working on individual tracks to make sure they sound the absolute best they can.So if you've already decided you're not going like any other mix of "Five O'Clock World" then you're not going like mine. |
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Name: Richard Otis From: Bellingham, Wa. Time: 1999-02-14 22:40:53 Comments: I own the British orig. cd versions of most of the 60's era Rolling Stones and they have a MUCH BETTER sound than the domestic releases. I understand even these British releases have now been re-mastered and re-released. Anyway, on the British version of december's children Look What You've Done and Get Off My Cloud are both stereo. On the Amer. version of Rolling Stones Now! What A Shame and Down The Road Apiece are both stereo. Time Is On My Side was mentioned as being stereo on Hot Rocks but it is not the orig. 45 hit version but a diff. version which ended up on their orig. greatest hits lp. For stereo buffs you might check out the bootleg 2-lp set "Get Satisfaction. . .If You Want!'' because on it is a 4-song mini concert recorded in stereo March 19, 1964 before about 15 or 20 (No kidding) teenagers at around 9 A.M. (Again no kidding!- the time is mentioned on the recording) and the recording is excellent. It was apparently one of those early stereo radio broadcasts where you would put two a.m. radios six feet apart to hear the broadcast in stereo. However, this recording is NOT taken from someone's radio but apparently from the studio. |
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Name: Luke Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 1999-02-14 23:20:33 Comments: Richard, re: As far as the British CDs being remastered, nope. In fact, the US versions (inferior) have been substituted for the UK/Jap versions throughout the world. Thus the good versions are out of print (almost?) everywhere. As for December's Children, I think some versions have these tracks in stereo and some do not - I've heard the later London/Decca/Polydor releases do not. BTW, Now! also has Heart of Stone in stereo as well. Time Is On My Side - there are two versions of this. One was recorded in the UK and released as a single in the US. This version has never been in stereo. The second was recorded in Chicago and originally released in the UK. I believe it was later substituted in the US as well. This version (guitar in the intro) is indeed in stereo. It is really the more common version. The live show in question was recorded for the BBC at the Camden Theatre in London. It was originally broadcast with one channel on the TV and one on the radio. I have it on the "Raw Power" bootleg and the sound is outstanding - I'd even venture to say it sounds so good it could have been recorded today. Very natural sounding (clean and clear too!). |
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Name: Richard Otis From: Bellingham, Wash. Time: 1999-02-15 01:35:55 Comments: re: Luke's response to my initial message. That is curious about only U.S. versions of the 60's era Rolling Stones CD now being commonly available because as late as late 97 or early 98 Midnight Records and Music Machine in Goldmine mag. were advertising "Remastered U.K. cds: Aftermath/Btwn. The Buttons/Dec. Children.. . .'' in their ads for $24.99 each. Also. . .are you saying the vers. of Time Is On My Side with the guitar intro was the hit version in the U.K.? |
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Name: Ken Rogers Website: Shake Rattle & Roll From: The Carolina's Time: 1999-02-15 09:52:00 Comments: It was discovered this morning (Feb. 15, 1999) that Buddy Knox, rock'n roll artist, died Feb. 14th. at 11:00AM in Port Orchard, Washington. It was discovered that the had cancer a few weeks ago. Buddy will be remembered by all of his fans. |
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Name: Luke Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 1999-02-15 11:03:25 Comments: Richard, re: The US CDs were substituted in the UK in 1995. These are exactly the same as the US ones, with the 'Remastered From Original Master Recordings' or whatever on the front. The better versions were available in Japan until 1997 or so, when they were replaced as well. As for Time Is On My Side, I don't have a UK single to prove it, but I do believe the version with the guitar intro was indeed the 'hit' version in the UK. |
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Name: Paul Stoddard Website: From: Boston, MA Time: 1999-02-15 14:00:38 Comments: Probably without meaning to do so, Steve Massie just hit one of my large, red buttons with a statement in his previous post that said: "never meant to be released that way.". This phrase galls me to no end. It's just another example of the colossal amount of arrogance that is running rampant in the music industry today. The attitude is: "It's my label/project/album and I'm gonna do it my way, the public be damned. And if the public doesn't like it, too bad. My way is the way it was meant to be released!". A couple of friends have suggested that, if collectors criticize the companies doing reissues, then they won't do them anymore. My response to that is: great! Better no product at all than junk. Sooner or later, someone will get it right. CDs aren't getting any cheaper for collectors, even though the actual manufacturing cost for the bare disc is about 83 cents. I, for one, am not going to be wasting any more money on dud CDs, and I'm going to do everything I can to help other collectors avoid doing so. Also, at this point in time, 99% of the biggest hits from the 50's, 60's, and 70's have been released on CD. New collections are just going to recycle these same hits and, maybe, toss in an unreleased track or two. If I'm expected to pay more money for songs that I already own, then there had better be a damned good reason to do so, such as greatly improved analog-to-digital transfers using lower-generation master tapes, and previously-unavailable stereo tracks. To Steve Massie: I don't know you, so my assessment of your intentions may be way off base. However, consider this before you narrow any more 2-track recordings: one of the main reasons given for refusal to issue the Beatles' first four albums in stereo is that they are mostly 2-track recordings and "were never meant to be released that way", (even though Capitol/EMI made a small fortune on them in the LP and cassette formats when they WERE released that way). Yet, if you go to the Rubber Soul and Revolver albums, recorded well after the 4-track machines had been in general use at Abbey Road, you'll find many of the tracks on those 2 albums are 2-track recordings. There's nothing wrong with a "hole in the middle" of a sound stage. It's purely a matter of personal taste. I have some early binaural recordings and the sound is amazing. Further, I just spent about a month gathering tracks from my various CDs that are of the might-as-well-be-mono type of stereo, and widening them out. The results were rewarding, revealing much more of the songs' detail, as well as some of the flaws that were covered up by the original close mixing. |
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Name: Randy Price Website: From: New York Time: 1999-02-15 14:50:39 Comments: Luke, you're not likely to find a mid-'60s UK single of "Time Is On My Side," since it wasn't released as such at the time. The "guitar-intro" version first appeared on the UK LP The Rolling Stones No. 2 in January 1965, and was subsequently issued in the U.S. on the Big Hits (High Tide And Green Grass) LP. |
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Name: Mike Hartman From: Vernon Hills, IL Time: 1999-02-15 15:35:30 Comments: Does anyone know if "Jezebel" by Herman's Hermits was ever released in stereo. It was on the LP "There's A Kind Of Hush" & I believe Greatest Hits Vol. 3. My LP of on the Kind of Hush is mono I have not seen it in stereo on any CD. Also, on that LP is the hit "East West"...I seem to recall that being in stereo on LP. Anyone help me on these two? |
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Name: Luke Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 1999-02-15 15:53:06 Comments: Randy, re: Thanks for the correction. I did know it was on No. 2 (was actually going to point that out), but wasn't sure about a single. I don't have my Stones' sessions book handy, so... As for Big Hits, I know the 'US' version (no guitar in intro) is on the ABKCO tape, but I wouldn't doubt it if the UK version is on LP/CD. I *do* know that the UK version (which was recorded in the US:-) is on the Hot Rocks album on the US LP and CD and the UK/Jap CD. Phew! As for the Beatles, A Hard Day's Night and Beatles For Sale were both done on four track, so the two track arguement doesn't hold up for those - George Martin just didn't like the stereo mixes. He would have remixed them (like the Help and Rubber Soul CDs) but didn't have the time. Funny, because the original stereo mixes of some of the songs are available on the red CD, which was approved by Martin a few years later... And for the record, all stereo recordings are two track...:) |
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Name: Steve Massie Time: 1999-02-15 17:12:21 Comments: One final (hopefully) comment. To Paul Stoddard: I am,first and foremost, a music collector and especially a stereo collector.That's one of the reasons I have able to get work doing remastering.I think you've missed my point on the Vogues not having been intended to be released that way.That was not a general statement regarding all two track stereo issues.It was meant to be specific to "Five O'Clock World".What I'm trying to point out is that most of the two track songs we hear were recorded live in the studio with the instrumental obviously being on one side and vocals on the other.This process leaves some "bleed-through" between the channels and at least gives some sense of being full stereo.The Vogues is not one of those since the vocals were overdubbed after the backing track.Let's get one thing straight here, too.True stereo involves hearing the full spectrum from far left to far right, basically being a "three dimensional" sound.That is a far cry from two track (commonly referred to as binaural).I didn't mix "Five O'Clock World" with my tastes in mind. I mixed it so it would sound best to the collector that purchases the package.It's not an arbitrary decision but one based making it the best it can be.I just wish you would reserve your opinion on it until you've actually heard it.At this point you're making an assumption that I don't feel is fair or correct. |
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Name: Mike Arcidiacono Time: 1999-02-15 18:17:49 Comments: Re Two Track Stereo. This subject does get a little touchy at times, but in the end, condsider this: The Mono versions of so many oldies are readily availible where the stereo versions, albeit two track versions, are not. While I know what Steve is saying about "no bleed thru" on the Vouges song, I have several songs in my collection like that, and while they are not the greatest mixes in the world, I, personally, would rather have the CHOICE to pick from, rather than have someone else "decide" for me that a particular mix should not be heard. I think that is Pauls point,that music itself is way too personal a preference. I had an argument recently with a resissue producer who was adamant that "two track stereo is not stereo", its only for mono mixdown purposes. I strongly disagree with that statement, witness "Chances Are" by Johnny Mathis, "Two Faces Have I" by Lou Christie,and "Twist & Shout" by The Beatles. All 3 sound fantastic in their two track mixes, and while, yes I would like a three track mix, the cards just dont exist to do it. We shouldnt have to settle for flat mono because of it. We have gotten the mono mixes 10,000 times, if there is a stereo mix of ANY kind, I want to hear it!!! Let ME decide if its rotten, not them. Peace and Love and stereo happiness to all. Mikey |
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Name: Mark Mathews From: NY Time: 1999-02-15 19:19:22 Comments: Greetings all, interesting comments on "binaural"/two track mixes. Without hurting anyone's feelings, I MUST agree with Paul about the phrase "never intended" ....to all engineers and producers, please use "my preference" or "in my opinion" ...I too am disgusted by "never intended"..it's way too bold an assumption, especially in the re-issue age where boxed sets and compilations are loaded with alternates of various types, live, remixed, whatever. (this is NOT directed at Mr. Massie, just in general) I, personally, like wide binaural mixes, and yes, on some songs it does sound strange. However, in the mixing process there are ways to give a 2-track a "bleed-through" effect if does not have one, without damaging the integrity of the performance. But everyone's ears are different, and time contraints come into play with oldies reissues, I understand this. My philosophy is simple though, if a song has been released one way before (many many times) and there's a chance to release it differently, then please do it! That's all. I'll pay my money, just give me something different, it doesn't have to win awards, just throw us collectors a bone. So what if doesn't please everyone. That works both ways too, like rare mono single versions..etc. Give me what's not already out there a hundred times. If it wasn't wide stereo before, make it that way now. A 50's or 60's song 30 years later does not have to have a Radio City Music Hall stage presence. Regarding the Vogues' tune, I haven't yet heard Mr. Massie's mastering of it, but if his work on the Dick Bartley CD's is any indication, I'm sure we audiophiles will be pleased enough. One more thought; while we stereo-collectors are a specific group among oldies collectors, I know many oldies fans who listen to oldies tapes I've made them, or the radio or a CD they bought, and no one has ever complained that a mix was too wide....just a thought. Good stereo to all! -MM |
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Name: Ed Steklasa From: ELY MN Time: 1999-02-16 00:30:28 Comments: Another "as wide as it gets" mix that has an interesting sound is "Funky Broadway" by Wilson Pickett. I took my ATCO vinyl and "tightened" the image myself but I'm glad I had the flexibility to do so. We collectors are indeed fortunate to have people like Steve Massie, Tom Daly and Bill Buster, just to mention a few, who care about us when they are putting projects together for the re-issue labels and I will publicly thank them here. Here's my point: We all own, or can easily get access to, simple mixers and pre-amps with stereo/mono switches. Give it to us in stereo, and if it is binaural, as wide as possible. That way, everybody wins! We cannot create stereo from mono and we cannot widen a tight binaural mix with elementary equipment but guess what? Vice Versa works! I rest my case. |
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Name: Paul Bigelow From: Austin, TX Time: 1999-02-16 00:58:23 Comments: Re: Two track - These days I'll take stereo anyway I can get it. If two-track is the ONLY way, then so be it. If it hasn't been released before - I say let's have it and let the market/critics decide if the effort was worth it. Depending upon the recording, some pretty thrilling two-track stereo can be made. I think the Elvis "Stereo '57" is a good case. If that release had not come out because "someone" didn't like two-track, binaural, whatever, we would have been done a great disservice. At least two-track gets us one generation closer. Other fun two-track: Early Turtles: "Eve of Distruction" LP. Let's face it, early/late 60's stereo for rock and roll never quite strived for soundstage realism - the fun, artistry, if you will, was in the clever placement of instruments to play off the vocals and make stereo a much more involving experience. I find today's modern mixes rather bland and boring although technically "perfect". I'm sure a case can be made that soundstage realism is just as thrilling also but I do not catch anyone here extolling the virtures of the spacious deep soundstage of Yanni. I think some of fun went away when eight-track came on the scene. Long live two, three, and four track! |
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Name: Marty Blaise Website: Blaise From: Houston Texas Time: 1999-02-16 12:24:44 Comments: A few e-mails back I noticed a comment about Buffalo Springfield. That got me to thinking - the only two things I have never heard in stereo are "Burned" from their first album and the "Baby Don't Scold Me" rare track that was replaced on the first album. I have a mono copy of that rare album without "For What It's Worth" - anyone know if that album is still valuable? But since it's a mono copy, I can't vouch for the stereo content. Anybody know if "Baby Don't Scold Me" is stereo? On another note - were all Stray Cats tracks recorded in mono or just some of them? Marty Blaise |
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Name: Ron Fisch From: St. Louis Time: 1999-02-16 14:55:29 Comments: To Marty: "Baby, Don't Scold Me" is in true stereo on the stereo version of that first pressing of the BUFFALO SPRINGFIELD debut LP. I don't know what Atlantic's excuse was in not including it on the remastered CD version of that album that was issued in 1997. Was the 2-track tape "inconveniently lost" while the mono tape was "very handy nearby"? As for the Stray Cats, I haven't listen to their CD's with headphones on recently, but I'm sure that their RANT AND RAVE album has some wide stereo songs on it. Talk to ya later! |
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Name: Mike Hartman From: Vernon Hills, IL Time: 1999-02-16 16:51:46 Comments: To Steve Massie: I love your mix of Dobie Gray's "The In Crowd". Thanks...can't wait to hear "Five O'Clock World". |
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Name: Paul Time: 1999-02-16 17:40:30 Comments: I'm looking for the best sounding versions of the following oldies on CD, preferably on compilations and in stereo where it applies. Baby Blue - Echoes, Bristol Stomp - Dovells, Hats Off To Larry - Del Shannon, Jo-Ann - Playmates, So Much In Love - Tymes, Tragedy - Thomas Wayne, Transfusion - Nervous Norvus, Trouble In Paradise - Crests, Two Faces Have I - Lou Christi, and You Were Mine - Fireflies. I assume most of these are available somewhere from original masters except the Cameo Parkway stuff. Also does anyone know about the import 3CD box "The Roulette Story"? How is the content and sound quality. I know Jo-Ann is on there. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Paul |
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Name: Sammy R. Stevenson Time: 1999-02-16 20:20:41 Comments: I wish to join others on this website in expressing my support to Varese Vintage and the comments of Steve Massie regarding their efforts to bring stereo versions of songs to collectors. It is shameful to endure the statements of individuals such as Paul Stoddard who offer nothing more than non-constructive arrogant criticism. To state that the public should be denied two-track versions unless mixed in a way that satisfies his self- interest is ignorant and selfish. There may come a time when music companies will no longer produce stereo oldies if they become vitimized by the vindictive critiques of people who have not even listened to or purchased the CD they are trashing.This is sabotaging a disc for one song. Instead of bitching Paul, do someting about it like producing your own. Get a life. |
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Name: Jay Johnston From: London, Ontario Time: 1999-02-17 08:33:12 Comments: Just a quick suggestion for anyone still trying to find, or like me, finish off their collection of RELIC Records cd's. That's the great series that Don Fileti and Walter Devenne had on the market a couple of years back, and seem to have all but disappeared. I have found a good source of this material at CD Connection (www.cdconnection.com). I was missing the Passions cd and one of the Golden Era of Doo Wops (Boston Groups). I ordered both from CD Connection last week, and received an e-mail last night that they had tracked both of them down. The RELIC series was a great one for doo wop collectors, and I was really glad to see that at least one online store could still obtain them. |
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Name: Paul Stoddard Website: From: Boston, MA Time: 1999-02-17 08:42:40 Comments: To the members of this board: please accept my humble apology for daring to presume that the purpose of this chat was for the free and open exchange of ideas and viewpoints. In the future, I'll bear it in mind that the true purpose here is for mindless hero-worship and sycophantism, and for the toleration of mediocrity. I will also confine my activities to simply reading the proper and indubitably correct postings of my betters. |
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Name: Marty Blaise Time: 1999-02-17 13:55:17 Comments: This is always an interesting chat page. I take no sides; just like to read what's new in true stereo. Anyway, here's a new question - what are the legalities of making your own stereo versions from mono recordings? Say you have a 4-track recorder and want to add a tambourine to the left and a bass guitar to the right or cymbals or whatever so that a mono recording now has something to the left and right. Could you do that if you want your own personal stereo version? Obviously, you could never release something that way. Anyone ever tried this? Just curious because I play several musical instruments. I'll bet it would be pretty hard to stay in the right time and at the right tune/tone. --- One more, this time a better stereo question - has the song Double Barrel from 1971 (Ansil and Collins I think) ever come out in stereo? What about Venus by the Shocking Blue? Good listening. |
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Name: Mike Hartman From: Vernon Hills, IL Time: 1999-02-17 17:10:39 Comments: To Marty: I have a 12" single that is an import from England of Jackie Wilson's "Reet Petite" where they did just that. They added cymbals & drums to make it have a stereo sound. I have a various artists LP with "You Send Me' from Sam Cooke with an organ & other things added for stereo. And Time-Life when they released the CD "Rock & Roll Era 1958"...the original pressings had "Tequila" by the Champs with extra instruments to make it stereo. |
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Name: Dave Daugherty From: Dublin, Ohio Time: 1999-02-17 17:27:20 Comments: Let me join the growing list of people who respect the work that Steve Massie has been doing. This isn't "hero-worship" as some would suggest. I can only judge Steve by his work, and to this point, I can't think of one track that Steve has been involved with that hasn't sounded excellent, and he hasn't always had the benefit of working with the best source material. He has a good ear, he knows the music, and based on past performance, I trust his mixing judgement. I've had the pleasure of hearing a test pressing of the "Discoveries" discs and they are outstanding, if not stunning. His mix of "Five O'Clock World" is clearly binaural, PLENTY WIDE, and the best that song has ever sounded. To complain about the sonics of that song before you've even heard it is totally self-serving and ridiculous. This chatboard is about free expression and the exchange of information. It is not about bashing people whose work you haven't heard yet, or insulting everyone else on the board whose viewpoints don't agree with yours. Perhaps people like that SHOULD take their own advice and simply be readers and not participate. Everyone else should get ready to add some outstanding stereo oldies to your collection thanks to Steve Massie and Cary Mansfield. |
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Name: Barry Cashion From: Mooresville, NC Time: 1999-02-17 20:09:43 Comments: Just wanted to let everyone know that I read in a 1960s music newsgroup posting that Timi Yuro, singer of "Hurt" and "What's A Matter Baby", has passed away. The same note also mentioned that Miss Toni Fisher ("The Big Hurt") also died recently. This is seemingly a dark period for rock/pop music, what with the two aforementioned ladies and also Buddy Knox and Bobby Troup (author of "Route 66", etc.) all having passed away within a short time of each other. Sad, very sad... But each made his/her mark on popular music, and will be remembered for a LONG time to come. |
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Name: Tom Daly Website: Skyline Digital Audio Restoration Service From: Metro Boston Time: 1999-02-18 08:19:11 Comments: Could we possibly end the "pissing contest" here? I know that we all have our own opinions about stereo, specifically when it comes to early recordings for which there exists something other than a mono tape. Some of us like "two-track" stereo, others do not. I'm not partial to it myself, but I use my own judgement as to whether it works or not. I don't appreciate it when the bass appears only on one channel, but with the technology available to me, I can center the bass only and leave the rest of the separation intact, as I have done with some tracks. Readers of BSN have approved of those mixes, preferring them to others that have been issued of the same recordings. It's not expected that everyone will appreciate everything that's issued, but as a mastering engineer, all I can do is attempt to provide what I believe is the best, most "natural" sound from the sources available from which to work. Sometimes, a wide mix of a track had been issued years ago, but when a reissue company licenses a track from a major, the major provides a narrow mix or worse, a mono one. Then, it's my call to use the tape provided or hunt down a vinyl pressing of the wide one and use a disc dub. If I try to get a record and the noise reduction process alters the integrity of the sound, I can't use it and have to revert to the narrow or mono mix. Steve Massie and I have a lot in common with how we're forced to work. We do the best we can. Paul Stoddard knows how I work, as he's seen me do it. Bill Buster of Eric Records knows how fussy I can be. It's not easy trying to please everyone when mastering a reissue, so we do what we can and hope our work will be favorably received. All I can say is that I hope the forthcoming Eric releases will be favorably received, as I will have had considerable input on them! |
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Name: richard Otis Time: 1999-02-18 12:54:48 Comments: Hello everyone. I think a fairly famous example of music being added to an already established recording would be RCA (BMG?)'s release of the Tommy and Jimmy Dorsey Show recording of Elvis singing Shake, Rattle and Roll on the This Is Elvis LP about ten yrs ago. I don't have the recording and I don't remember if this addition was mixed wide to make it a stereo recording or not but no one complained too much at the time about it. |
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Name: Marty Blaise Website: Time: 1999-02-18 17:40:36 Comments: Just thought of another stereo-added album - Hank Williams greatest hits. I think a bass and maybe another instrument were added later. I also seem to remember that Norman (or was it Tom or Richard?) Petty had the Fireballs add instrumentation to Buddy Holly tracks in the Clovis studio in New Mexico. Guess there's a lot more added-on stereo than I thought. Do these count as stereo tracks by the artist or just as curiosities? Well, whatever they are, at least it's interesting to hear the song(s) in stereo. |
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Name: Bradley Olson Website: Bradley Olson--A Person With Autism From: Bemidji, Minnesota Time: 1999-02-18 19:32:08 Comments: Marty, you are right about the fact that 2 of Hank Williams' Greatest Hits compilations has simulated/overdubbed stereo on it, the compilations are volumes 1 & 2 of "24 of Hank Williams' Greatest Hits" which Vol. 1 has been reissued on CD in mono form, but the CD of Vol. 2 is still in simulated stereo. I don't have these 2 compilations but I do have the 2 CD set "40 Greatest Hits" which contains many of the songs on these 2 compilations in their original mono forms, mastered from original mono tapes and 78's that have or had clean sound (at least they were in 1978 when the set was originally compiled and released). |
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Name: Mike Arcidiacono From: nyc Time: 1999-02-18 21:57:37 Comments: Re: Add A Track Stereo (A Mike Callahan Original Phrase!!!) I'm suprised no one has mentioned the obvious...with all the talk about The Vouges "5 Oclock World", remember that in 1968, Reprise Records leased "Youre The One" and "5 Oclock World" and added strings and a big orchestra to the right and left sides of the mono tracks. Its always been assumed this was done to make these two sound less "Garage" and more like the groups new songs on Reprise, "Turn Around, Look at Me" and "My Special Angel". It also achieved the goal of making these two tracks stereo to match the rest of the "Greatest Hits" LP. Hmmm.....now that we have a two track "5 Oclcok World", maybe Tom Moulton could phase the Reprise version to get just the strings and brass, sync it to the two track, and presto!!! Tom......have I got an idea for you!! :)) Mikey |
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Name: Randy Vest From: New York City Time: 1999-02-18 22:42:44 Comments: Does anyone have specific info on the death of Timi Yuro (mentioned here in an earlier post); i.e. when, where? I did an internet search earlier today but came up with nothing---not even in the Vegas newspapers (I understand she lived there) or from the Associated Press. She is one of my all-time favorite female singers. And in keeping with the main subject of this board, her Liberty stereo recordings sound fantastic! |
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Name: Bob Olivia From: Burbank, California. Time: 1999-02-19 04:14:15 Comments: Have gotten many e-mails about my last posting of the 1st 4 Beatles albums on CD. I ordered it from Disc Collector in Parker, Colorado. You can find him on the internet of his add in goldmine or Discoveries. Beware everyone, there's a virus going around thru e-mail and newsgroups called Happy 99. It got me yesterday and really messed thing up on my computor. I called my technical support at Earthlink, and they helped me delete it. If you get it, it will mess up your dial up and anti virus settings among others. Be careful. Bob. |
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Name: Barry Cashion From: Mooresville, NC Time: 1999-02-19 09:59:46 Comments: To Randy Vest (and everyone else)... I'm happy to report that my earlier posting about Timi Yuro was incorrect; she is still very much alive. Forgive me for jumping the gun on this one; I was reading the same newsgroup (rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s) where I saw the original posting, and someone else wrote in, saying that she is indeed still with us, since he had spoken to her just hours before the post was made... I don't know where the first poster got his info about her "death"... Anyway, I'm glad this turned out to be false info; I, too, am a big fan of Ms. Yuro. Let me apologize once again; I'll try to be more sure of my info before I post things like this from now on... |
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Name: Alex Shkoditzh From: Long Island, NY Time: 1999-02-20 14:58:52 Comments: Two track stereo masters are NOT binaural. Binaural stereo (as I first heard the term in the late seventies) was a recording method using two microphones at a fixed distance apart to simulate your ears in a concert environment. Many classical recording are done this way. I used to own a Lou Reed album that was recorded in "binaural stereo" and the effect was the OPPOSITE of what many posters are describing here. Through speakers, a very narrow stereo image was obtained. Through headphones, you could place the exact location of any instrument on the soundstage. |
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Name: Andrew Website: From: NJ Time: 1999-02-20 17:14:55 Comments: Has anyone listened to Taragon's recent "Jigsaw" best-of? I've heard "Sky High," a 45 I liked back in '75, on one of Rhino's older comps, but it sounded like a disc-dub. Any improvement on this newer CD? |
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Name: Larry Naramore Website: From: Sun Valley, Ca. Time: 1999-02-20 17:19:10 Comments: Chris, Regarding your Technics receiver with the left channel problem...wrap it up and send it to either Rhino or Abcko Records. |
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Name: Don Duffey From: Buffalo Time: 1999-02-20 22:42:16 Comments: Speaking of Abkco...while cruising the used bins I came across a cd titled "Action"..Question Mark & The Mysterians...on Move 3001. The entire disc is Stereo! with "Girl [You Captivate Me] & Can't Get Enough Of You Baby. Both tracks are in nice wide stereo and very,very clean,could be from tape.This dosen't look or sound like a "boot"....on the 2,3,4,8,16yadda,yadda track debate,all I can say is..Stereo-Good..Mono-Bad!!!How come theres no web sites for Mono lovers???..Don |
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Name: don baylis Website: From: N.F. Ont Time: 1999-02-21 00:20:47 Comments: Hey Don, Spector said it best ...... Back To Mono ! ! ! |
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Name: Joe Reynolds From: Los Angeles Time: 1999-02-21 00:41:44 Comments: MONO ALERT!!! "Wings Of A Nightengale", a compilation of 1980's Everly Bros. Mercury material on the Rebound label, is all mono! Wasn't this stuff originally released in stereo? Also, Rockhouse in Holland is listing a number of Everly "twofers" on the TNT label of their 60's Warner albums..does anybody know anything about these releases? Bootlegs or the real deal??Thanks, Joe.... |
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Name: David R. Modny Time: 1999-02-21 16:12:07 Comments: Re: Everly TNT twofers: The TNT label is one of those ahem... "semi-legal" labels out of Europe. I own two of the Everly's twofers myself. They lift from vinyl in most cases unless it's a commonly available hit. Then, they usually just lift that track from another CD compilation. "Two Yanks In England" was obviously lifted from vinyl - probably the 80's Edsel reissue. "A Date With" is a combination of vinyl and CD sources ( i.e. "Cathy's Clown", "Love Hurts" ). The Vol. 7 "Rare Item" compilation lifts entirely from vinyl sources, and in most cases, pretty lousy ones. |
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Name: Bradley Olson Website: Bradley Olson--A Person With Autism From: Bemidji, Minnesota Time: 1999-02-21 16:58:10 Comments: David, Thanks for telling us to be careful about buying anything on the TNT label. Sincerely, Bradley |
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Name: Bradley Olson Website: Bradley Olson--A Person With Autism From: Bemidji, Minnesota Time: 1999-02-21 20:40:12 Comments: Re: Everly Brothers 1980's Mercury material--This material was originally released in stereo. If you want to hear the original stereo versions of these songs, I'd suggest people buying the original Mercury albums or the "Mercury Years" compilation from 1993 instead of buying the Rebound compilation. |
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Name: Mike Arcidiacono From: nyc Time: 1999-02-21 21:34:25 Comments: Re: The Dave Clark Five A few of my BSN buddies emailed me asking whether I had the new DC5 bootleg"Secret Life". Well, I have it now and I have three words for all of you...SAVE YOUR MONEY. Geez, EVERY DC5 bootleg out there stinks!! On this one, they have used a noisy copy of the Stereo Double LP set from 1971 as a source. Its not that the fidelity is so bad, it isnt, BUT, they the groove noise go on for 2 to 3 second before the song starts!! They didnt even drop these tracks into Cooledit or something simliar to clean them up at ALL. The versions of "Nineteen Days" "Goodtime Woman" and "Forget" have terrible fidelity. Pass this one up, boys. |
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Name: Paul From: Fl Time: 1999-02-22 08:33:03 Comments: re: DC5 Secret Life. Thanks Mike for the info, would've wasted $26. It's really a shame Dave doesn't release his work! |
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Name: Marty Blaise Time: 1999-02-22 12:26:28 Comments: I was scanning through some older issues of the newsletter and noticed that Chris Kissel had used some type of equipment to widen recordings into better stereo. It said that he had made Shambala by Three Dog Night into true stereo. I thought it was never released in true stereo. Also, I read through the newsletters and occasionally came across blurbs that said "song" was going to be out in stereo, but the cd was delayed for some reason. Such as Woman by Peter and Gordon. Has anyone gone through their old newsletters to see what has finally come out in stereo - from the "delayed releases?" Thanks. |
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Name: Luke Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 1999-02-22 18:08:20 Comments: Rolling Stones in stereo - has anyone ever heard (or for that matter, *have*) a *good quality* stereo mix of "Have You Seen Your Mother, Baby"? It's available on boot in poor quality, and I have a *slightly* better copy, but it still sounds bad, especially when compared to the mono mix... I'm sure it exists somewhere...I guess the question is just - *where*? Of course, there are still a lot of non-Hot Rocks tracks, etc that should be in stereo. Anything recorded at Chess or RCA *should* be in stereo, but alas, only bits and pieces have shown up. |
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Name: Bruce Riley From: Brisbane Australia Time: 1999-02-23 06:25:48 Comments: Some info. that may be of interest to Bobby Rydell fans.It seems that he pretty much had a carbon copy of hits over here and over there,except for our own version of"Kissin' Time",which went,"Summertime is kissin' time Australia way" instead of "USA",the place names were also changed to match.So I suppose the question is,would he have recorded a complete new song just for a small(in numbers),market like ours,or would they have used the same backing track with new vocals?.The latter would be more likely you would think,so if that's the case,there just might be two track masters out there somewhere...Does anyone know where I can get John Zacherles' "Dinner with Drac" on CD?.I just Received from Discollector "Dinner with Zach." on Transylvania 6-5000,Mfg. in Romania...ROMANIA??..Love the copyright warning,where they're going to remove your you know what's without an anesthetic if you copy it.No problem,just get the wife to do that one,hang on ,entrails too,better not.Unfortunately it has a censored version I've never heard before,where"Blood is thicker than water" has become"She uses acid,not water",and"The veins of a mummy named Betty"has become"Broomstraws from a witch named Betty",lots of other funny stuff though.If anyone would like to have some fun cleaning up their old 45's and LP's,there are various PC based audio restoration programs at www.tracertek.com.I have tried cleaning and enhancing some of mine with"Diamond Cut Audio Restoration Tools 32" with some success,but a rough (worn)sounding record just sounds clean and rough,so maybe that's beyond the technology,or maybe I just need more time with it.Apparently it was developed for restoring very old cylinder,and other vintage recordings,(not much stereo or rock'n'roll there),and has been used for commercial releases of these.You can de-click,de-pop,de-hiss,equalise etc.and you can download demo versions from the above site.Have also noticed a lot of agro about RHINO on these pages.I visited their website recently,only to be confronted with a message telling me that,due to licensing restrictions,they could no longer supply foreign orders,NOT EVEN CANADA!.And to think I used to be a "Friend of RHINO",get sent free calendars,catalogues etc.How things change.Ah well,that's progress isn't it!..Also noticed someone recently said here,oldies CD's would be lucky to sell 2,000 copies.IN A POPULATION OF OVER 200 MILLION!!.IS HE KIDDIN'??.I'm still picking myself up off the floor after reading that statement.If that's true,it almost must be a labour of love for those involved,'cause it couldn't be very profitable...But don't stop now. |
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Name: Garrett Jamieson From: Michigan Time: 1999-02-23 15:44:44 Comments: The Moody Blues: I used to work as an engineer at WCSX-FM Detroit during the early part of this decade. In 1995, Mike Pinder, former keyboardist of the Moody Blues, was our guest on the morning show. I recently listened to a tape of the interview, and Mike points out how badly "Go Now" sounds on all the reissues of MB material. If you've heard it, you know what he means. It crackles and sounds 'overcooked' (over-modulated). Even the original London 45 sounds this way. However, Pinder points out that the original master sounded very clean. Anyone have any idea where this 'clean' version can be found? I've bought 4 different CD's so far and struck out. |
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Name: chris b From: oh Time: 1999-02-24 03:14:56 Comments: Does anyone know where I can get copy's of the Beach Boys Unsurpassed Masters 6,7,8. These seem to be very hard to come by. I would settle for a Cd-R if anyone has these on disc. Thanks, Chris |
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Name: Marty Wekser From: Los Angeles Time: 1999-02-24 03:39:18 Comments: In response to Bruce Riley's post ... in the 50's and 60's it was in vogue for U.S. artists to record their hits in foreign languages for the international market and thereby have the "hit" version of a song overseas rather than it being covered by a local artist in that territory. Generally the U.S. artist would be whisked into the studio and would cut his hit perhaps in four or five different languages always using the same instrumental track. On a recent CD I produced for MCA ("Singin' & Swingin" by Earl Grant), while in the studio going through master tapes, I discovered a 1/4" reel with the top ten hit "THE END" sung in French, Spanish, German and Italian. Each one used the identical backing track. In fact, as a bonus to collectors, we included the Italian version as the last song on the CD. Regarding your comments about compilations selling only 2,000 units ... sad to say this is often true, although sales for independent labels' compilations and reissues should generally do between 5,000 and 10,000 units. If the material stays in the catalog for a period of years, sales could inch up even further. Bottom line ... labels like Taragon and Varese Vintage (for whom I have done many compilations) are run by astute businessmen but whose real love is "the music." While no one likes to invest time and money in compilations that bottom out at 2,000 units, the people who run the above labels are dedicated to the product they release and to the fan base of collectors, many who are loyal BSN readers and log-onners (is there such a term??) to this site. Your views, flattering or unflattering, do not go unnoticed and your feedback is always welcome. As long as the major labels controlling rights to these masters will license them for reasonable advances and guarantees, labels such as Varese Vintage, Taragon, Ace (and other similar ventures) will continue to serve this important CD market. And whether sales for these compilations are minimal or wind up exceeding sales expectations, the projects themselves are generally, (to use your term) "labors of love." |
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Name: Marty Wekser Time: 1999-02-24 04:28:32 Comments: In response to Garrett Jamieson, GO NOW by The Moody Blues has always sounded dreadful (technically, not musically!) Every source I have heard of this song, whether on vinyl or CD is from the same over-modulated source. Whether this source is from a disc or was simply recorded at a studio with poorly maintained equipment (perhaps a tape recorded improperly aligned for signal level), you would think the problem would have been rectified early on but it never has. Generally back in the 60's, U.K. companies would supply first-generation tape copies to their U.S. companies (in this case, English Decca to London Records) to be used for mastering. On rare occasions, a disc would be supplied. I do remember that on one occasion when I worked in A&R at Epic Records in New York, the Hollies producer arrived at Epic's office in New York and was pretty insistent that we immediately release their current record which was already a chart hit in the U.K. When we said it would take a few days to get a tape copy made and sent to New York from England, he produced a pressing of the single and said "master it from this!! (which we did.) But back to "Go Now"... I just can't believe there is a clean master tape in existence. (But then again, maybe Steve Massie has a multi-track and he is planning on remixing it in wide stereo for a future release!!) Just kidding. But, seriously, if anyone does know of a clean, undistorted version of this song, please share it with the readers of this website. |
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Name: Ron Fisch From: St. Louis Time: 1999-02-24 12:08:58 Comments: I just read in the latest issue of ICE that a 3-track session tape of Harlem Shuffle by Bob & Earl was discovered recently and has been released on an ACE comp called LAND OF 1000 DANCES. Has anyone heard this CD yet to verify the stereo mix (or have any of you sound engineers out there done this remix)? As a lot of people may already know about Harlem Shuffle, all reissues from the past 10 years were from disc dubs since even the mono master tape was lost, so this new remix should be a double revelation for all fans of CD oldies reissues, stereo freaks, etc. Also, has anyone ever found "No MAtter What Sign You Are" by Diana Ross & the Supremes in stereo on a CD? The Time-Life reissue of DR&S has this song in goddawful rechannelled sound. Be back with more Q&A later! |
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Name: Mike Arcidicono Time: 1999-02-24 13:53:53 Comments: Re: The DC5---took another listen to that "Secret Life" Cd, and I can tell you this...its even WORSE the second time around. Several cuts simply "end" abruptly, as if the needle was lifted 3/4 of the way thru the song!!! Absolutely terrible....everybody buy Toms DC5 comp, its got to be 1,000 times better. Mikey |
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Name: Randy Price Website: From: New York Time: 1999-02-24 15:34:26 Comments: Here's a quote from the Ace Records Website concerning the forthcoming "Land Of 1000 Dances" compilation: "The highlight must be Harlem Shuffle, re-mixed in stereo from the original studio master recently unearthed by Alec Palao in the States. It supersedes all the tenth-generation mono copies that have thus far been the sole source. Other stereos include The Duck, (Baby) Hully Gully, Ride Your Pony, Monster Mash and The Shag." |
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Name: Marty Blaise Website: The Blaise Page From: Houston, Texas Time: 1999-02-25 13:54:26 Comments: Does anyone here know how to read the record company discographies on the bsn website? My browser justs shows a blank screen except for some links. None of the text is showing up. Any ideas? Anyone know if any of the following songs have made a stereo appearance yet: Shakin' All Over-Guess Who, the four mono Gene Pitney songs, Have I The Right-Honeycombs, Mellow Yellow-Donovan, Question of Temperature-Balloon Farm, Cinammon-Derek, Girl Watcher-OKaysions, anything by the Troggs, anything by the Tremeloes, Blue Kentucky Girl-Loretta Lynn, Ruby Ann-Marty Robbins, Why Can't We Live Together-Timmy Thomas, Jeans On-David Dundaz, Double Barrel-Ansel&Collins, The Rapper-Jaggerz, Woman-Peter&Gordon. Better stop - I could go on and on. Good listening to all. |
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Name: Dave Daugherty From: Dublin, OH Time: 1999-02-25 14:59:53 Comments: Marty, Cinnamon by Derek was released in a remixed stereo version by Bob Irwin several years ago on the Rock Archives series on Columbia/Sony Legacy. I think that series has been deleted but there still may be copies floating around. I'm also reasonably sure that I have "Jeans On" and "The Rapper" in stereo. I'm at work right now, so I can't listen to be sure, but I don't recall the versions I have being mono. Hope that helps. |
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Name: curt lundgren Website: ReelRadio From: Minneapolis, MN Time: 1999-02-25 15:49:02 Comments: Marty, "Ruby Ann" is in stereo on the Columbia/Legacy disc "Story Of My Life: Best Of, 1952-1965". Disc three of the Bear Family "Rockin' Rollin' Robbins" trio also has it in stereo, along with an alternate take (pricey, though). The Tremeloes U.S. charted singles "Helule Helule", "Suddenly You Love Me" and "My Little Lady" are true stereo on Castle Communication's "Complete Collection" (CCSCD 301).....a reissue of their "Ultimate Collection" (CTVCD 002) issued in 1990. To my knowledge, "Silence Is Golden", "Here Comes My Baby" and "Even The Bad Times Are Good" exist only in mono. (Watch out for at least two discs out there with re-recordings of "Silence"!) For a track-by-track review, see Mike's 2nd edition of "Oldies On CD". |
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Name: Mike Arcidiacono Time: 1999-02-25 16:09:04 Comments: Re: Gene Pitney Its interesting that "Town WIthout Pity" has never been in stereo here in the US......however, there is an Italian version , using the exact same backing track, that IS in stereo. This would lead me to believe that there is a three track multi of this song. If they ever find it, perhaps we will hear TWP in stereo. Failing that, perhaps a phased version can be made using the stereo Italian version and the Amercian mono version by eqing the vocals out and syncing them to the backing tracks of the Italian version. Sounds like another Tom Moulton save job to me.....what do you think, tom?? :)) |
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Name: Alain Dupont From: Quebec, Canada Time: 1999-02-25 19:37:17 Comments: Marty, the Jaggerz' "The Rapper" is available in stereo on Rhino's "Have A Nice Day Vol. 1" (back in the days when Rhino used to give us stereo...) |
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Name: Boppin' Brian From: Land of the multi Grammy-winning LuAnnHill !!!! Time: 1999-02-25 19:39:02 Comments: Still wondering dept. : Does anyone know if the last year's (?!) Collectables reissue with The UNRELATED SEGMENTS (+ another '60s group The Tidal Waves) has the snarlin' snotty Detroit delinquents' frostbite 500 hits "Where You Gonna Go", "It's Unfair", "The Story of My Life", etc. in STEREO ? Switching gears completely, is the Earl Grant "Singin' & Swingin'" cd compilation mentioned below able to offer "The End' in stereo ? "Land of 1000 dances" ace compilation (will Cannibal & Headhunters title cut be included, in stereo, of course ?)"Harlem Shuffle" in stereo sounds groovy. It has always been one of those tunes that, thru use of hi-generation tapes, or whatever, has had an "underwater"/phase-y sound to it, evident especially on percussion sound. "The Duck" has been available for many years on a U.K. cd (that may be oop) on "the sounds of swingin hollywood" which, as i recall (not at home to check right now) has a bunch of unreleased stuff + backing tracks. The old Bob & Earl "Harlem Shuffle" lp i had on "tip" label had "harlem shuffle" as instrumental/backing track (that may have been an alt, if i recall), so apparentlty things that get "lost" sem to stay lost for a few decades ! There may be hope yet of "finding" some of these things. Which brings us to "She Loves You". As I had stated below, the story i had heard, the song was done at Abbey Road when they had booked all the stereo facilities that day so the session was done in mono, or 2-track "bounced". Interestingly enough, the track was retreivable at a point that the group did "Sie Liebt Dich", in Paris, in stereo, using this original backing track. "Komm Gib Mir Diene Handt" (sp?) was also done in a similar fashion. Again, the details I'm relating are all from memory, as I'm not at home to re-check references, etc., so anything anyone can add - great ! At any rate, "She Loves You" tapes are "floating around" pout there somewhere. At least the chances are in our favor as Abbey Road usually kept everything (as opposed to Pete Townsend's "incinerator" - "toss 'em on the rubbish heap/burn pile" filing system !). What are the particulars on DC5 "non-official" CD(s) ? Best ? Label ? # ? Stereo content/reviews ? Buffalo Springfield 3 (4?!) cd set out in U.K. (& U.S. ?!). Any reviews? Any stereo for "Baby Don't Scold Me", "Burned", "Bluebird"(unedited) ? Mention below of Johnny Mathis "binaural" (?!!!) "Chances Are" (I guess this would be the version on old Col. compilation + newer Ace...?) reminds me, if this hit is stereo can we get a cd of all the earliest stuff in stereo ? Bear Family ?? ..calling Bob Irwin.....! The recent multi disc set botched it in this respect. Much like recent book/box Neil Diamond BANG! stuff (mono when stereo exists/had been out previously). HELP! BOB !!!! As long as Columbia is the subject, are recent U.K. Simon & Garfunkels post-"Old Friends" remasters ? (Been "Bobbed" ?!!) Did Mr. I ever get screwed-up stereo-wise Sly & the Family Stone albums ALL reworked ? O.K., time to say so long & wait for that Andre Williams box set....! Alright, I'll settle for a Screamin Jay Hawkins Bear Family 18 disc career retrospective...... BYE! |
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Name: barry margolis From: Minneapolis, MN Time: 1999-02-25 21:00:40 Comments: Bopping Brian: "Sie Lieb Dich" is NOT the same backing track as "She Loves You". Because the multi-track tape was discarded, George Martin had tohave The Beatles complete rerecord the track in German. So, therefore, it's totally a different recording. If EMI issued the first 4 albums in true stereo, with some slight balance corrections, we'd all be glad to deal with the fact that "She Loves You" and "I'll Get You" can never be, and will never be available in stereo. |
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Name: Marty Wekser Time: 1999-02-25 21:17:48 Comments: Who doesn't look out for stereo collectors? Varese does! A recently received tape copy of "Manhattan Spiritual" arrived on these shores from Belgium and we were ready to use this version in the forthcoming Discoveries Instrumentals CD's ... but as one well-informed member of this newsgroup posted sometime ago to BEWARE of the stereo album version of this song because it is a different take than the original mono hit. Well, it certainly is. A subtle difference, but we decided in being true to the format of this compilation (original hit versions in stereo) to go with our original source, the Steve Massie version (a very good disc transfer) which, surprisingly, is real stereo and the "exact" same take as the mono hit. |
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Name: Chris B From: OH Time: 1999-02-25 21:27:33 Comments: Does anyone know if the Johnny Rivers album "And I Know You Wanna Dance" ever been released to Cd. Thanks, Chris |
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Name: Bruce Riley From: Brisbane Australia Time: 1999-02-26 00:40:59 Comments: To Marty Wekser...I hope I didn't convey a feeling of"why would you bother",with my comments in regard to oldies sales,that certainly was not my intention.Quite the opposite.In fact my opinion is,this music has never sounded so good,and is a real credit to all of those involved.I just didn't realise it had become such a niche market,considering the support there was during it's heyday.While I don't consider myself as a "Dyed in the wool"collector,(about a 5 on the 1-10 scale),like some of the visitors to this site obviously are,I do have a good collection from the labels you mentioned,and a few others as well.I don't have too many"duds",thanks to my own picking and choosing,and definitely to BSN,to which I have subscribed since March '92.So to everybody involved...Keep up the good work! |
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Name: Chas Time: 1999-02-26 04:46:06 Comments: Does anyone know if there is a Domestic STEREO release on CD of J.J.Jackson's "But It's Alright.? |
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Name: Bradley Olson Website: Bradley Olson--A Person With Autism From: Bemidji, Minnesota Time: 1999-02-26 10:42:40 Comments: Re: Johnny Rivers-And You Wanna Dance--This album has never been out on CD. I've seen LP's of this advertised at http://www.vinylvendors.com though in near mint condition. |
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Name: Bradley Olson Website: Bradley Olson--A Person With Autism From: Bemidji, Minnesota Time: 1999-02-26 18:57:31 Comments: Here is another source I recommend on CD info, this one about what CD's have been newly cutout. The URL for the site is http://www.aent.com/amped/cutouts.html It does have catalog numbers, cutout date, artist and title info, etc. |
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Name: Mike Arcidiacono Time: 1999-02-27 11:14:40 Comments: Re: The DC5. I forget who asked, but virtually all the DC5 bootlegs stink. i dont have the Japanese releases, but I've heard that they are from LP and not very good. Now the good news. As of June 1st, 1999, Hollywood Records 5 years contract with Dave Clark to release DC5 product expires, and all masters revert back to Dave Clark, who is free to go elsewhere. I know that Rhino made a strong bid for his masters back in 1994, but he turned them down. Since we already have the "50 Greatest Hits" Cd, what I'd like to see are all the EPIC LPs reissued, on a two-fer basis. They are full of great songs, and we finally would get to hear them as they were recorded, instead of the noisy crap that EPIC used to call"Unbreakable Polystyrene". Those Lps are some of the worst sounding pressings I have evere heard, and I have a bunch of them, and theyre all the same. Lets Hope!! Mikey |
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Name: graham From: CO Time: 1999-02-27 13:50:41 Comments: Just got "Found in the Attic" Vol 1. 25 tracks including Tommy Dee's "Three Stars", Michael Parks' "Long Lonesome Highway..." also Bob Crews' "Music to Watch Girls By". And the whole thing STINKS!!! Not only are they bad the old records of these that you can find at any collectors stores probably sound better!! With the exception of "16 Reasons" by Connie Stevens sounds excellent in perfect wide stereo. Also "Three Stars" sounds ok. But everything else "Garbage". If I had to grade this I would give it a "D minus minus". |
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Name: Joe Reynolds From: Los Angeles Time: 1999-02-27 21:19:13 Comments: RE:DC5..There is an excellent single disc DC5 greatest hits set from the UK, but only the stuff after '66 is in stereo. It's called "Glad All Over Again" on EMI 7777-89249-2-0. It has all the US hits with the exception of "At The Scene", and the mono tracks are the same clean versions found on the domestic 2 disc Hollywood set. I have no idea where to find it anymore and I suspect that the Hollywood Records folks have done their best to keep it unavailable here... |
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Name: Tom Daly Website: Skyline Digital Audio Restoration Service From: Metro Boston Time: 1999-02-28 09:03:37 Comments: To Chaz: To my knowledge, any "stereo" issues of J.J. Jackson's "But It's Alright" are in electronic stereo. The original issue was on Calla in mono. When Warner Bros. reissued it, the LP presented the song in electronic stereo, and I've never heard it in true stereo. |
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Name: Jim Warrick From: Burke, Va Time: 1999-02-28 09:27:24 Comments: Can anyone provide comments on the quality of the new Guess Who greatest hits CD that was released last week on RCA? How about the A&M 2 CD import box set of the best of Hoyt Axton? Finally, are all of the Kinks remastered disks mono? Are there any good stereo Kinks CDs available? Does anyone have any input on the 10 CD Kinks box set of EPs? Thanks in advance for any input. |
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