This page contains all the messages put onto the BSN Stereo Chat Board during March 1-22, 1999 (the archives after March 22 have been lost). They are in chronological order from first to last. To search for specific topics, use the "find" utility on your browser. For a search of the complete archives, please go to the Stereo Chat Board Archives Main Page.
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Name: Kevan Cooke Website: From: Basingstoke, England Time: 1999-03-01 08:58:36 Comments: Hello, I am currently putting together a website dedicated to the London based 1960s record producer and songwriter John Schroeder. If anyone knows any details about his career that they think may help me in this task then I would be very pleased to hear from them. Of particular interest to me is his time as label manager at Oriole in the early sixties, and how he came to sign a licensing deal with Berry Gordy that made Tamla Motown records available in the UK for the first time. Also if anyone knows what John has been doing since running his own Alaska label in the 1970s, I would be very grateful if they got in touch. Thank you to everyone for your time, Kevan |
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Name: Garrett Jamieson Time: 1999-03-01 10:04:50 Comments: Re: DC5....I would like to see Bob Irwin at Sundazed Music re-issue the original Epic DC5 albums on 2-for-1 discs, remixed by Irwin in TRUE STEREO! A reissue of the 2-album STEREO collection would be a great compliment to the set. Of course, they could pull a Parlophone on us and issue original UK albums in MONO...ugh! Or Taragon could get a hold of the masters and do the same sort of stereo reissuing. I forsee it being logical for Sundazed though. Taragon does one-offs on artists, sometimes not so great (Del Shannon 2-on-1 sounds like CRAP). Sundazed did a great job reissuing the original Raiders albums. |
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Name: Paul Bigelow From: Austin, TX Time: 1999-03-01 12:00:34 Comments: DC5 on Sundazed would not be too much of a stretch, although I would think Sony/Columbia Legacy would be much more likely. Sony has the financial backing and distribution and the Legacy line seems stable and active. Legacy calls on Bob Irwin often for research/mastering/assistance so his skills seem to be readily available to Sony. Therefore, the best of both worlds: COMMERCIAL (Sony) clout backed with INDEPENDENT (Sundazed) care and attention to detail. "I like it like that!" |
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Name: Mike Arcidiacono Time: 1999-03-01 17:12:47 Comments: Re: DC5 Sony? No Way. Sony really doesnt license material that it doesnt own. They own enough of a catalouge without paying to reissue material. And before anyone says "But The DC5 were on Epic", doesnt Sony own it, the answer is no, Dave Clark own all rights and all masters to the DC5 material, except for the early pre 1964 material on Ember and Congress. Sundazed? Now THATS a thought. You KNOW what a great job Sundazed would do with such a hot commodity, but I can almost guarantee you that the LPs would be issued on Cd in MONO. In an interview back in 1994, Dave stated that "I could remix the DC5 stuff, it would be no problem, but I'm not going to, because I think people want to hear what they remember on the radio, and you just cant replicate it exactly today". He went on to say that the 1/4 mono masters were kept in perfect, climate controlled storage all these years. So it would appear that we'll see the mono versions of the DC5 lps. Still, I'll be HAPPY to get them at all from master tape. Bob Irwin---how about a call to Daves office in London? It cant hurt!!! Mikey |
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Name: Joe Fornarotto From: Oceanport,New Jersey Time: 1999-03-01 21:54:17 Comments: Picked up the new Guess Who Greatest Hits collection last week---sounds great,nothing like the 3CD set that came out a few years ago with all that hiss on some tracks. Real nice high end and has some great punch to it-nice sound all around,should not have many complaints about this one. Also picked up the new Blood Sweat & Tears-Greatest Hits --contains the 45 edits and sounds great-nice touch adding the 45 version of More & More. |
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Name: Larry Naramore Website: From: Sun Valley, Ca. Time: 1999-03-02 02:59:59 Comments: Anyone know where I can get Ella Mae Morse's Capitol Collectors album? |
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Name: Marty Blaise Website: The Blaise Page From: Houston, Texas Time: 1999-03-02 09:27:04 Comments: I'll put in my two cents worth on the Dave Clark Five discussion. How about offering something with both the true stereo and the mono versions for collectors/listeners to compare? Also, if people want to hear songs just like they heard them on the radio, shouldn't they be in mono, sound like they are on a transistor radio with a 1-inch speaker, full of lightning and static crashes on AM radio and have people/friends/parents yelling in the background??? Just kidding of course. By the way, I've updated my stereo want list on my web site. No doubt I'll be adding more and more as time goes by. Good listening. |
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Name: Garrett Jamieson Time: 1999-03-02 13:43:17 Comments: New BS&T Greatest Hits?? Are you referring to the budget Super Hits release? That is the most recent release I know of, it came out last year. There is a 2-disc set on Legacy that is much better than the original Greatest Hits (hissy, "And When I Die" is MONO) or the Super Hits. -----Anyone pick up Taragon's "Red Bird/Blue Cat Story" last year? I'd like to hear some comments on that, and a verification that the mix of "Leader Of The Pack" is really an extended version of the song! |
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Name: Charlie From: Perrysburg Ohio Time: 1999-03-02 17:30:28 Comments: Pat Downey recently said that the new Varese release" Love Songs Of Rock N Roll " has a mono 45 version of "Cherish" by the Assocaition. He went on to say this version is new to CD. Does anyone know if this version is different from the stereo LP version we have had on CD? Also Pat Downey posted some updated stereo content and track listings for the remastered Rhino Top Hits series for the years 60-69. Pat's remarks can be found at the Discollector web page. Thanks. Charlie |
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Name: Richard Otis From: Bellingham, Wa. Time: 1999-03-03 01:58:52 Comments: Was wondering if anyone has any information on the new Herman's Hermits CD with stereo and mono versions of the songs included? I see it advertised in Midnight Records as being remastered but no label is mentioned. |
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Name: Mike Raphone From: Toledo, Ohio Time: 1999-03-03 07:24:50 Comments: Sad to report Dusty Springfield died yesterday, March 2, 1999... |
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Name: Michael Website: From: New York City Time: 1999-03-03 07:33:11 Comments: I just caught this article from MSNBC. Dusty Springfield died last night after a long battle with breast cancer. http://www.msnbc.com/news/246213.asp |
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Name: Garrett Jamieson Time: 1999-03-03 14:50:29 Comments: I'd like to try and rectify the ongoing debate on "She Loves You" by the Beatles.... The song was originally recorded at Studio #2, Abbey Road, in 1963, on two-track tape. Session engineer was Norman Smith, producer George Martin. Numerous takes of the song were performed, with the final master being edited from at least 3 takes. The twin track master with the splices no longer exists in the EMI vaults. It is assumed it was stolen in 1964. Only a DUB of the mono mixdown (not even the actual master) exists. This is the tape that has been used for every issue up until 1993. If you listen to all pre-1993 issues, especially 1988's Past Masters, vol. 1, you can hear all 6 edits very clearly, the clearest being in between the lines "I think it's only fair... |
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Name: Luke Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 1999-03-03 16:01:50 Comments: Re: SLY - The new/better master was actually first released in 1992 on either the singles or the EP box set - I'm not sure which. That's why the date on SLY on the Red CD says 1992. |
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Name: Luke Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 1999-03-03 16:04:32 Comments: Re: SLY - The new/better master was actually first released in 1992 on either the singles or the EP box set - I'm not sure which. That's why the date on SLY on the Red CD says 1992. |
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Name: Mike Arcidiacono Time: 1999-03-03 21:10:53 Comments: Re: She Loves You Whats interesting to me is that if you buy into the "stolen tapes" theory, is that MORE than one tape would have to have been stolen. If the two track mix WITH the splices was stolen, then what about the session reels? They did at least three takes of the song, which would make 3 versions in stereo, altho they may not all be complete. What about THAT reel? If that was stolen, you wonder why the first generation mono mix was ALSO stolen.... I would bet that all those SLY reels of tape are sitting in an unmarked tape box on a shelf somewhere at EMI. Now will they ever find them? Mikey |
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Name: Luke Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 1999-03-03 21:58:32 Comments: Mike, re: You do make a good point, and I don't have sessions handy to check, but I have a feeling that rather than splicing the various takes together then mixing that tape, they made mono mixes of the various takes *then* spliced those together. So I guess even if the session reel were missing the spliced mono mix should still exist - maybe it does...who knows. |
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Name: Chas Time: 1999-03-04 00:55:52 Comments: Hey! Maybe the ORIGINAL Master of "She Loves You" went to SWAN Records.Since the Beatles already Released it in England,they just Shipped the Tape over to SWAN RECORDS....A little "Beatle" Trivia Question....Who had a :"HIT" record and was involved with the "Beatles " in an important way?... |
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Name: Terry Slothour From: La Crescenta Time: 1999-03-04 01:02:04 Comments: I'm trying to find the single version of Light My Fire (Doors) on CD. Everything out there is the 7+ minute LP version. Any suggestions? Also, is the import (UK) Charlie Gracie CD the only source for Butterfly? All help appreciated |
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Name: Mike Cloud From: Houston, TX Time: 1999-03-04 01:21:53 Comments: To Chas: The answer to your trivia question is Norman "Hurricane" Smith, the Beatles' recording engineer. He was a one-hit wonder with "Babe, What Would You Say". |
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Name: Ron Fisch From: St. Louis Time: 1999-03-04 11:38:14 Comments: To Terry: The 45 edit of Light My Fire was issued on an import CD EP (3 tracks) in mono back in 1991. I still have it packed away in some carton since I moved here so I can't give you any other details about it now. There also was a domestic 2-track cd released in 1992 that contained a stereo edited version, but as Pat Downey would say "neither the LP nor the 45 version". The instro break was a bit longer than the 45 version. In fact that stereo version was very similar to the stereo mix release on the early Elektra "Spun Gold" 45 reissues in the early to mid '70's. |
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Name: Glenn Sauter Time: 1999-03-04 12:49:49 Comments: I don't think this has been mentioned as yet, however, "Moments To Remember" a 30 track various artists CD (Mr. Maestro 1006) contains the true stereo version of "You Got What It Takes" by Marv Johnson. This version has been on bootlegs before (which is where Dick Bartley plays it from) and runs a little longer than the mono 45 version. Also, on another topic, a few weeks ago, there was alot of debate regarding the Rhino 3 inchers (Lil' Bit Of Gold). I have most of them and let me tell you that except for the two Turtles' discs, the 3 inchers are not worth hunting if you don't have them. The Bobby Fuller Four is all mono. The Jimmy Rodgers' is muddy compared to the "Best Of" also on Rhino. The Mitch Ryder sounds better on "Rev Up" and so on. At best, they're an interesting novelty and not much more IMHO. Don't forget to pick up "Land Of 1000 Dances" on ACE this week for the stereo "Harlem Shuffle" by Bob & Earl. Ciao! |
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Name: Boppin' Brian From: CaliforniLewinskyland Time: 1999-03-04 18:36:22 Comments: Just a few answers/comments this time (so I should only be here for....mmmm...2-3 hours ....!). Speaking of: Beatles had lotsa people that they worked with go on to have "*HITS*", *O.K.* (...awright, i give up, what's with alla this compyooter-es goobledygook creepin' in here...?!? "IMHMO"--"I'm a hom-------"? "F.Y.I." WHO GIVES A C.R.A.P. ?!?! Speak English ferchrissakes !!!). O.K., got the offa my chest. Beatles buds.. --it's "Oh Babe, What Would You Say", by the way (have at least 2 "mixes" on this one...Nifty French LP cover shot has our boy Norm in his rather horse-ishly handsome way posing with a couple af quarterhorses !). Well, how about Alan Parsons ? (Engineered or assisted on late Beatle stuff). Depending on how off - the - beaten track you wanna go, you could count dozens more. Serious biz: Agree all DC5 "stereo" cds I have come across are poop. A particularly poopy platter is a "shared" Jap. mid-80s "escape": "The DC 5 vs. Peter & Gordon" (cta tf 52) ...12 songs, 6 by each act. 1 stereo DC5 cut, 3 stereo P&G. All have been released since in better sounding cds. Also a must to avoid is 1990 Jap. EMI 6310 "Best of P & G".. 7 of 14 tracks reprocessed stereo or/and from records ! Where is the stereo German - language "Town Without Pity" ? It's mono on Bear Family 15724 "Hits & Misses". Bear Family has done a lot of Columbia & other late '50s "binaural/2-track" (Hey, folks, let's just stick to "STEREO" !) on their reissues, & I, for one LIKE IT! Does this make it the "wrong" version when the stereo "back-up" tape machine is rolled at the same session as the standard equipment, capturing the same performance, albeit sometimes in lower (slower tape speed) fidelity? I don't think so. It can be "wrong" if important overdubs are missing. How about giving us both versions on releases ? I know, I know -- $$$speaking of which..... It looks like the coming of DVD audio would allow all sorts of possibilties for re-reissues & "bonus" tracks & alternates. Unfortunately, it would seem that the industry take on the whole audio DVD scenario will be gauged on acceptance of the movie DVD format, which seems to be going pretty well (despite the fact that many releases are sub-par, many not mesuring up to laser disc editions..). Perhaps most importantly is the fact that any DVD audio releases will approach and / or match the movie DVD price point -- I, for one won't be buying many "single" albums, DVD or not, for $25 - 30 . I did get the Fleetwood Mac "Making of." Rhino (!) DVD ("Fleetwood Mac", "Rumours"), but haven't had achance to a - b it vs. cd issues just out of curiousity....Another bugaboo is the DVD regional coding that will ensure the greedy record co's victory over the dreaded "parallel imports" Has anyone got any comments on the Carpenters "Remasters" cds. Are these R.C. - re-tweezed ? With the mega - merger / swallowing up of A&M, who knows how long what will stay in print anyways. Which brings me to ask.... "where was I?" dept. : E.M.I. went "belly up" ... is there any web-y articles/news bits/stories or even magazine articles about it that anyone can reccomend ? RELIC is not out of business as was reported here, but according to a reliable source "close to the action", they have just run low on the stuff they own to reissue. What wioth the crappola copy-cat Collectables knock-offs of top-notch Relic original productions, you gotta wonder if & how much this is hurting them... I know that Ace got a huge legal victory against the super slip-shod "Juke Box Treasures" knock-offs of their "exclusive" Dootone material. Who knows how/legal fine points as one co. is in U.K. , one in N.Y. ! Had pulled Dusty Springfield 3 cd set off shelf last week (to see if the "original recording of " I Just Fall in Love Again", mentioned in the notes to a recennt 3 cd Anne Murray set, was in the Dusty set..it ain't). So how about it, Mercury, re-master the 3 cd Dusty mess "Anthology" -- get rid of all that awful tin - can - o phonic fake stereo early stuff, as a tribute to Dusty! Is it just me (or the volume I was playing it at..), or is "You Don't Have to Say You Love Me" on this set a bit "harsh"..(with those "super sibilant s's"..)At least they got the good / hit version of "The Look of Love", unlike the louge-erific MOR elevator - jazz version in the Rhino Burt box Bringing us to Box bungling...Rhino has two on the horizon that would be prime contenders for stereo rarities .... one all Car toons, one all 50s R&R. I'll save my $ ( having been burned on the Burt, Nuggets, 70s...& on & on...) for the event of the season -- last nite on Snyder we were told of the impending release (wouldn't that be the icing on the cake if it were a RhiMOno product..?!?!) of a 4 cd set of STAN FREBERG !! BYE! |
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Name: John King From: St. Simons Island Time: 1999-03-05 07:40:44 Comments: I'm probably the last one here to see Record Row, the PBS documentary from WTTW . But I don't own a tv. Saw it while surfing a tv in a motel room. The music track that served as a bed at the end of the show, as the credits rolled; what is that instrumental? I read thru the last 250 chats, read the chess story, the vee-jay story, the stax-volt story, etc.. What is that great dance instrumental? Thanks! |
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Name: Boppin' Brian From: TwineJerkSlopSwimShakeATailFeather, Ca. Time: 1999-03-05 17:45:15 Comments: The Record Row PBS TV Etta James - narrated Chicago soul/r&b documentary just re-ran here. Really interesting about the ins & outs of Vee Jay. The funky instrumental (does it still count as an intrumental when they holler a lot on a tune ??!!) is "Twine Time by Alvin Cash & the Registers on Mar-V-Lus. Anyone got the LP in stereo !?!? "Re-processed" ? As it bears a strong resemblance grapics - wise to same era Chess/Checker LPs, has some of the same Chicago cats in the credits & was likely recorded in studios also used by Chess, it would be great if this stuff existed in stereo. Mar-v-Lus/One-derful stuff I've seen only on Japanese reissues...plus a "shady" 5 Dutones cd. Even Rhino in the "Soul Shots" series had rather rough sounding dub of "Twine Time" (mono). So, yes, there is a Chicago soul/r&b catalog in worse shape than Vee Jay, I guess. A reliable source (whose Gene Chandler stereo LP(s) were used to master the Vee Jay CD a few years ago, before the co. went belly - up, again) says that the Vee Jay tapes are a total mess.. a shambles...lots M.I.A./A.W.O.L. I can't understand how the "shady" "import" compilation CDs around recently can say "remastered from original tapes"..unless, of course, the tapes were "borrowed" or something, years ago. Has anyone heard these ?? (Dells, Spaniels, El Dorados) ?? The legit Vee Jay reissues from a few years back are really inconsistent, some of the tunes on the two Spaniels collections have echo & 2-channel effect on some cuts. The "Vee Jay ltd. partnership" credit still pops up on reissues - as recently as Rhino Burt B. box ("Make it Easy on Yourself" is stereo), and also on two "Doo Wop Box" sets (Bob Hyde at the controls -- lots of great stereo). In the R & B mode - - does anyone have any clue about old Ace (U.K.) B.B. King "Best of..Vol. 1" transfer to U.S. Flair/Virgin 86231.... Do some tracks still have the 1960s overdubs ? BYE! |
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Name: Ken Garland From: LA Time: 1999-03-05 20:41:12 Comments: I thought it was Alvin Cash & the Crawlers? Yep that is what i says on Rock Instruments (Rhino). |
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Name: Alex Shkoditzh From: Long Island, NY Time: 1999-03-06 12:34:07 Comments: Where do the stereo mixes of single edits come from? I was recently listening to Donovan's "Sunshine Superman" on a Time-Life collection and heard the single edit in stereo. Back in 1966 (65?) the original single was mono. All lp's (including "Greatest Hits) used the longer album mix. It appears that these are being done strictly for current compilations. I have heard a HORRIBLE attempt at creating a stereo mix of the single edit for Steppenwolf's "Magic Carpet Ride" (the original single had an entirely different vocal track than the album version). How about "Crimson and Clover" by Tommy James? On all of these, edits which were smooth in mono are jarrring in stereo. The Steppenwolf doesn't even have the same edits. If the orginal single version was not mixed to stereo, we should not attempt to recreate it. (Reference: Light My Fire by the Doors). |
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Name: Eliot Goshman Website: click HERE for Taragon Records new releases!!! Time: 1999-03-06 14:10:00 Comments: Information about our March 9 releases is now available at www.taragon.com. |
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Name: John Mahoney From: Tucson, AZ Time: 1999-03-07 16:01:27 Comments: Last week, Garrett Jamieson asked: "Anyone pick up Taragon's "Red Bird/Blue Cat Story" last year? I'd like to hear some comments on that, and a verification that the mix of "Leader Of The Pack" is really an extended version of the song!" I've just listened to "Leader Of The Pack" by The Shangri-Las as presented on "The Rock 'N' Roll Era - 1964 (Time-Life Music 2RNR-10) and "The Very Best Of Red Bird / Blue Cat - The Essential Hit Singles Collection (Taragon TARCD-1029). Time-Life version - This mono version has a running time of 2:50 (give or take a second depending on your CD player) At 2:32 the coda begins as the group sings "Gone! Leader Of The Pack, now he's gone." The fade out concludes 18 seconds later, at 2:50. Taragon version - This outstanding stereo version clocks in at 3:02 (+/- a second) and while it would on the surface appear that there is a 12 second extension, the real answer seems to be a speed variance that simply accumulates a time difference overall. For example, the "Gone! Leader Of The Pack, now he's gone." passage begins at 2:39 and concludes at 3:02. And yes, there is a noticeable few seconds more at the end, but only 2-3 seconds NOT 12! So, the total time difference between to the two versions is 12 seconds and the extended fade out of the Taragon version accounts for two or 3 of the 12 . This leaves 9 or 10 seconds to be spread out over the remaining time at roughly 3 seconds per minute. On another note: ///////////////// Alex Shkoditzh recently spoke of "stereo mixes of single edits" and raised the interesting point that: "If the original single version was not mixed to stereo, we should not attempt to recreate it. (Reference: Light My Fire by the Doors). " I can't help but wonder if there have been some truly successful "edit recreations" but have also been so good that it has not become an issue of complaint. If so, then I respectfully suggest that Alex may want to reconsider his blanket statement. Anyone know of any top quality, undetectable "edit recreations"? BTW, how do you divide these messages into paragraghs? I know it can be done as illustrated by Boppin' Brian's posts! |
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Name: Ed Steklasa From: Ely MN Time: 1999-03-07 16:13:57 Comments: Where can you find "Only You Know andI Know" by Delaney and Bonnie in studio stereo? (not the live version on some greatest hits pkgs). Also, is "It's Good News Week" by Hedgehopper's Anonymous available in stereo anywhere besides the Australian 3-CD set |
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Name: Eliot Goshman Website: click HERE for Taragon Records new releases!!! Time: 1999-03-07 17:09:06 Comments: John, the Shangri-Las' track is from the original session master tape, and although we let it run a little longer than the single, it actually ran much longer (haven't timed it though). It just got repetitive and we generally were trying to stay reasonably close to the singles on this CD. Thanks for your comments. |
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Name: Tom Daly Website: Skyline Digital Audio Restoration Service From: Metro Boston Time: 1999-03-07 19:37:11 Comments: Re: 45 edits in stereo... Sometimes the 45 edits cut out some part of the song that would have restricted its appeal as a potential "hit," and the label never got around to editing a stereo tape because 45s back then were all mono. In many cases, it's now just a simple hit on the delete key to re-edit a stereo copy to match the mono 45. That's all I did when I re-edited "This is My Song" by Petula Clark. There was an unnecessary verse in the LP version that got snipped for the 45. I made the same edit using a stereo mix, and I believe it appeared on the Varese CD "Dick Bartley's Collector's Essentials: On the Radio, Volume 3." If an edit of an LP version can be done simply and unnoticeably to recreate the 45 version in stereo, then it should be done to give the public a choice to either buy the LP version or the hit version that appeared on the 45s. It boils down to "freedom of choice," today as it was yesterday - let's bring back singles! |
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Name: barry margolis From: Minneapolis, MN Time: 1999-03-07 22:39:45 Comments: Hey guys...I've never asked this before...but since I'm 47 and have been collecting since I was 8, what's the significance of so many of you wanting the original 45 edit in stereo? In the case of "sunshine Superman", you've got the mono 3:05 hit version all over the place...and one of the few stereo remixes ever to occur to a Mickie Most production is the superb, longer, complete stereo mix at 4:33. When I first heard it on the "Greatest Hits" LP, it became clear that that was THE definitive version, and just because some bozo chopped it down for teenage radio, there wasn't any further need for the edited version IMHO. In a few obvious cases, the hit version DIFFERS greatly from the longer LP version ("Magic Carpet ride", for example), but, for me, finding a short, surgically altered version of a song that the artist had intended to be longer, in stereo, does not do anything to me. Am I the only one out here who feels this way??? You know what the porn mags say...longer is better! (And longer in true s |
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Name: Paul Bigelow From: Austin, TX Time: 1999-03-08 09:29:03 Comments: Eliot, What can you tell us about the Gary Lewis set? Any last minute surprises? What kind of condition are the master tapes in? Did you see, by any chance, the tapes for the Coca-Cola commercials? Does Capitol have those? In Stereo? Thanks for any input. I have my Gary Lewis already on order! |
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Name: Marty Blaise Website: The Blaise Page (including my stereo want list) From: Houston, Texas Time: 1999-03-08 17:32:49 Comments: I've been going through my Top 40 Whitburn/Billboard book and highlighting the songs I want or have never heard (I'm going to keep the yellow highlighter pen companies in business for a long time). While looking through my book I came across some stereo notes I had made. For the Skyliners - Since I Don't Have You, I made a note that it exists in stereo unreleased. Can anyone confirm that one? I must have taken the information from one of the newsletters. Also, came across a curiosity - anyone know who the Cowboy Church Sunday School was? Did they ever record in stereo?? I keep finding out interesting songs and recording artists. I am still trying to hear them as well/collect them (in stereo of course). Sure seems to me like there could be more one-hit-wonder cds, although I guess tracking down stereo master tapes for 20 different artists for one cd would really be expensive. Maybe that's why there's not as many cds for one-hit wonders, two-hit wonders, three-hit wonders, etc. Some of the names of these groups are really, well, different. And, some of those folks I have never heard of. They would have, say two or three hits in one year and then fade away forever. I certainly hope we don't forget those. I'd sure like to see some oldies stations put together an obscurity hour - a real obscurity hour - using stereo where possible. Good listening to all and may you discover a stereo tape in someone's attic, cellar .... |
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Name: Eliot Goshman Website: click HERE for Taragon Records new releases!! From: writing from the NARM convention, Las Vegas Time: 1999-03-08 20:30:34 Comments: Paul, the Gary Lewis comp was made/mixed from the original 3-track tapes, except for This Diamond Ring and two other tracks, which Ron Furmanek graciously allowed us to use, from the Legendary Masters CD (they were fresh mixes from the 3 track parts, and there was no point in us re-doing what he had already done). Most of the three tracks had a mono music track, a lead vocal track and a background vocal track. The original stereo music track mixes were distroyed, and so we had to use what was available. Hope you like it. |
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Name: Mike Arcidiacono Time: 1999-03-08 22:54:37 Comments: Re DVD I read a very interesting article on DVD Audio in the Pro Sound News. Basically, it said that the record companies are gearing up to sell you your record collection ONCE AGAIN by offering DVDs with 5.1 sound. (thats 5 channels of sound, for the uninformed). As far as the oldies go, anything recorded on 4 tracks will be fine, they will create a 5th track (which will be the CENTER track) by phasing the front two stereo tracks. You will then have center, stereo front and stereo rear. Those should sound awesome. However, whats not so awesome is their plan for 3 track, stereo, and mono recordings. in these cases, they are going to "synthesize" the missing tracks in order to present the material in 5.1. For 3 track mixes, they will create a pair of rear stereo tracks by filtering out the bass, lower midrange, ect. That wouldnt be TOOO bad...but I cringe at what two track and mono recordings are going to sound like. Also, the article mentioneed that the record industry is adamant about making DVD Audio COPY PROOF, so that nobody can make a digital copy of any DVD Audio disk. It said that the industry learned its lesson with Cds, and wont make THAT mistake again. Bad news, but, its going to be nice to hear "Sgt Peppers" in 5.1. The horns, ect coming from the rear by themselves should be a real listening experience. I guess we'll just wait and see!! Mikey |
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Name: Steve Baird From: Baton Rouge Time: 1999-03-09 00:16:35 Comments: To Mike A RE DVD. Mikey I just couldn't take it! Say it isn't so. You DON"T REALLY believe that the horns from Sgt Pepper coming from the rear speakers will sound cool do you?!!! I don't recall ever being at a rock concert in my younger days when the Beatles were on stage but the horns were at the back of the auditorium, but I'll defer to the Beatles EXPERTS on that one. ------------------ I DO recall, however, seeing George Carlin in a Live performance where he described DVD 5.1 perfectly well 28 years before anyone even thought about it. He said something like, "People will buy anything. I could go to a junk yard and pick up two pieces of scrap wood for 5˘ apiece, nail them together and spray paint them; put a $50 price tag on it, call it a work of art, and somebody will buy it." And Mike, not only will they sell you your records again, this time they'll get $24.95 for 'em. What was it that someone once said about a fool and his money? |
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Name: Alex Shkoditzh From: Long Island, NY Time: 1999-03-09 09:47:19 Comments: For Mike: I wouldn't hold my breath for a discreet 5.1 channel remix of Sgt. Pepper, we still can't get the first four Beatle albums in stereo (also note the aversion the Fabs had to remixing any of their material for "quad" in the seventies). On a side note: I too was always confused about the desire of many collectors for single edits. I have noticed that oldies collections, like country music CD's, seem to have an average playing time equal to about 60% of the capacity of a CD. This may be due to the cost of liscencing the material, but would it cost more to liscence the longer version of "Sunshine Superman"? Even though some of the extended versions contain superflous material (e.g. - "Crimson and Clover"), many rock FM stations of the era played those "album versions" and THEY are the versions we remember. It would be a kick to hear that version of Crimson and Clover again, it seems lost to time. Is there ANYONE out there that WANTS to hear the single edit of "In-a-Gadda-Da-Vida" or have "American Pie" split betwen parts 1 and 2? The album rock generation is now a serious part of the oldies collector market, and should have some say. |
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Name: Mike Arcidiacono Time: 1999-03-09 16:10:47 Comments: Re: The Skyliners It is assumed that "Since I Dont Have You" was recorded on 3 track tape, with the orchestra on one track, Jimmy Buemonts lead vocal on another, and the orchestra on the third. I *think* I read that the union files indicate that it was done at the same session as "Pennies From Heaven" which has been found in stereo. Why "SIDHY" has been hidden all these years is still a mystery. A shame, too, because thats one of those songs that would sound really nice in stereo. Also, regarding DVD audio, as stereo lovers, I cant believe any one of us WOULDNT want to hear some great oldies in super 5.1 seperated sound. I know I would. Things like The Ventures "Hawaii-5-0" with the lead guitar center, the band left and right, and the studio orchestra in the rear would be an amazing thing!! Correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt that why we want STEREO in the first place? How is DVD 5.1 any different? |
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Name: Mike Hartman From: Vernon Hills, IL Time: 1999-03-09 16:23:00 Comments: RE: Single edits. In the 60's & early 70's we heard most of the hits on AM radio. Many songs played were different than the LP or even the 45 release. For instance...The Buckinghams "Susan" had the weird part in the middle that was edited out on the radio. It's nice to have the full version but also great to have the version we heard more often on the radio. Last year one of Dick Bartley's CD had the "radio version" of Pacific Gas & Electric's "Are You Ready". That's the version I wanted...not the commercial 45 or LP version. Someone recently asked about the Doors "Light My Fire"...how bout The Who's "Won't Get Fooled Again" 45 version...I don't need to hear the long organ solo every time. No matter how much I like "Beginnings" by Chicago...it's nice to hear the edit 45 release, which has not shown up on a CD or ever in stereo. The record companies must love me...because I'd buy both! |
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Name: Luke Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Racine, WI Time: 1999-03-09 16:53:56 Comments: Re: WGFA - The single edit of that song *sucks*! I'm a pretty die-hard Who fan, and that is one edit I can certainly do without. The complete song is one of rock's best - the edit is a total mistake. On to 5.1 sound...first of all, I'm not all that anxious for it. I quite like stereo just fine. Also, do you really think record companies are going to go back and remix all of that stuff? Look at how slow the process can be for getting *remastered* CDs, much less remixed to stereo... I'd bet for the most part DVD audio (if/when it comes out) will just be the most recently done CD master. Maybe down the line some original work will be done, but I bet not anytime soon. |
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Name: Ed Steklasa From: Ely MN Time: 1999-03-09 20:09:18 Comments: It seems to me that we can explain a lot about so-called 5:1 DVD stereo if we just look carefully at our current home stereo setups, and I do believe that at least initially, we will get scammed by the record companies on this one. It sounds to me like what they are talking about (I haven't read the article that Mikey was referring to) is nothing more than Dolby Pro-Logic. The three front channels are the normal stereo left and right, coupled with a "concentration" of the common material from left & right presented in the center channel. And, unless I am mistaken, the two rear speakers in a Dolby Pro-Logic setup are mono, and in fact, represent "rechanneling" of the front standard left & right channels, minus the center channel information. YOU CAN PLAY YOUR CURRENT CD’s IN ”5:1” RIGHT NOW! Since I am guessing that they will expect us to use existing amplification systems to hear the "5:1", we already have 99% of what we will need already. Remember, five speakers in Dolby Pro-Logic does not equate to 5 different sounds. Maybe 3 ˝? I just don’t see how a the average home stereo user will be sold on this DVD technology unless it hinges on their existing Dolby Pro-Logic amplification system. Let's face it - to get five channels, you need five amps. Do you really think that the general public is going to cave in to completely new hardware purchases to support such a venture? Caveat Emptor! |
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Name: Luke Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Racine, WI Time: 1999-03-09 20:45:57 Comments: Re: 5.1 - I'm almost certain that unlike regular Pro-Logic, the rear 2 speakers are indeed discreet. Isn't 'AC-3' or 'Dolby Digital' the new standard for this type of thing? At any rate, yes, it would mean new amps, etc... And, BTW, I belive the .1 is the subwoofer... |
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Name: Marty Wekser Time: 1999-03-10 04:09:02 Comments: A few (hopefully brief) replies to some recent posts regarding DVD. If you play CD's on a DVD player, the sound quality will be very good since the converters are probably a little bit better than on a conventional CD player. However, on my Toshiba DVD player, when I hit PLAY, the beginning of the first CD track is slightly clipped. This will not happen on successive tracks if the CD is played straight through, however if tracks are programmed out of sequence, then each track will start out without you hearing the first millisecond of music. I think this is because the subcode information written on a DVD movie is slightly different than that written on a conventional audio CD. Also - while I have had no problems playing back either commercially released CD's or CD-R's made on a stand-alone recorder (i.e. Phillips or Pioneer), I have not been able to play CD-R's made at a mastering studio made from the output of a Sonic System (this is essentially like making CD-R's from a player hooked up through a PC.) Quickly, Dolby Pro-Logic is 5:1 with the rear channels getting the same source material. So that you could reverse the left and right rear channels on your Pro-Logic receiver and it wouldn't matter. On a Dolby-Digital receiver, the left rear and right rear speakers each receive discrete information so sounds can pan left to right or right to left. AC-3 is the exact same format as Dolby-Digital. Laserdiscs were marketed as AC-3, but consumers quickly got confused (and why wouldn't they - since they are introduced to new formats almost daily!!) so the hardware manufacturers then began to market all their receivers as "Dolby- Digital." Certainly DVD movies are labeled as Dolby-Digital and for the remaining and probably short shelf-life of laserdiscs, these will probably all say Dolby-Digital instead of AC-3. What I find scary (if info from a recent BSN poster is correct) is the comment regarding transferring mono and stereo sources to the new DVD audio format. If you will have to synthesize material for the rear channels by phasing or using other electronic tricks, it seems we will be no better off than we were with (you guessed it) ELECTRONICALLY RECHANNELED FOR STEREO !!!!!! |
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Name: Greg From: Calabasas, Ca. Time: 1999-03-10 05:03:04 Comments: I heard that EMI just released another batch of mono/stereoHollies CDs in England, has anyone heard them?Also, where is the best place to find import CDs, CC?Amazon? Every CD? |
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Name: Garrett Jamieson Time: 1999-03-10 07:51:57 Comments: I found "Beginnings" by Chicago and "Light My Fire", both 45 edits and in stereo, on a Century 21 GoldDisc..can't remember which volume. I'm trying to find the stereo 45 edit of "As The Years Go By" by Mashmakhan (actually the edit is the same on the album "Mashmakhan" [not on CD], but now I'm used to the Irwin/Anesini full-length remix on Archives 1). Also, on what CD can I find the full-length album version of "Crimson and Clover" in stereo? Is it on the RhiMOno greatest hits? I didn't purchase any of the RhiMOno discs thinking the boneheads there would have used the single edit. |
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Name: Dan Strode Website: Time: 1999-03-10 08:36:53 Comments: album version of "Crimson and Clover" in stereo is on Rhino 2fer Crimson & Clover and Cellophane Symphony R2 70534 (p)&(c)1991 |
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Name: Steve Baird From: Baton Rouge Time: 1999-03-10 13:27:00 Comments: Marty, in reply to your comments on the sound quality of 16/44.1 CDs played on a DVD unit, I'd like to point out that the perceived resulting sound quality has been shown to be inferior to the same CD played through a conventional CD player in a report published by The International Audio Review. I must admit that their findings differed somewhat, depending upon related components and speakers used in their test's various audio systems. What I mean to say is that you are probably correct if what we are discussing is a typical home theater setup where the components involved offer generally acceptable sound quality, i.e. nothing that would be considered *high end audiophile quality* that falls within the realm of most of the equipment used in IAR's testing. I would also agree with your probable response that, given the sound quality of Oldies in general, playback on anything of higher quality than a typical home audio system is overkill. But, unfortunately, that's where I'm coming from: My two-channel audio component system has the kind of high resolution equipment in it that is similar to the equipment IAR used in its tests. Still, the journal claimed to perceive differences on mainstream equipment too, which, I have to say, has been my experience as well. ONE OF THE BIGGER POINTS that needs to be made is one that Paul Bigelow spoke of several months ago. And that is that, using the current 16/44.1 standard — and at great expense — over the past fifteen years the record industry had converted to digital the portion of its older products that it considered marketable. I think that it is safe for one to assume that any initial releases of older recordings in the succeeding technology will, thus, be based on digital masters produced at 16/44.1. Ergo, the new machines will not provide any real sonic benefit to those of us who listen to older music almost exclusively (16 bit sound is 16 bit sound, no matter what's playing it). Until the industry commits to remastering all of its analog tapes at the new standard, we cannot be certain of anything worthwhile from the new medium. Indeed, older audiophiles will find that the marketing research types working for the various record companies will probably recommend that less popular recordings not be offered in the new medium at all. Demographic studies would indicate that popular music beginning with the late Seventies would prove most profitable, so if the music you enjoy was recorded in the Fifties or Sixties, it will probably not reappear. If you were born prior to 1965, then it is unlikely that you will see much of interest to you available at all — at least for many years to come. Finally, I too find it scary that music lovers would abide by someone's efforts to convert mono to stereo sources in the new DVD audio format. I don't want or need anything that was ELECTRONICALLY RECHANNELED FOR STEREO either !!!!!! |
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Name: Bradley Olson Website: Bradley Olson--A Person With Autism From: Bemidji, Minnesota Time: 1999-03-10 15:48:40 Comments: I am not yet interested in DVD audio, as I do enjoy my LP's, cassettes and CD's of what I already have. My stereo doesn't have an auxiliary jack so I have can't add DVD to my stereo anyway. As far as DVD movies, I have much of the movies I like on VHS anyway and I do enjoy what I have. If I want to buy more, I would buy more items as long as I have the technology I already have so that I can use the things I have. Use and enjoy what you have no matter what is coming out now or in the future. |
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Name: Marty Wekser Time: 1999-03-10 18:48:49 Comments: In response to Steve Baird -- to my knowledge, Sony is the only company currently digitalizing much of their older repertoire. Really everyone should. Even if it's just for "protection" (since older analog tapes from the 50's are experiencing wear and tear), these digital sources can be used if necessary for mastering of new CD projects. On the other hand, I would always go back to the original source master when doing a project -- either metal, acetate, analog mono, analog stereo or analog multi-track. Most of the vaults do have most of their important tapes available, although over the years a certain amount have disappeared (a euphemism for "been stolen") or perhaps have just been misfiled. I have had no real problems at BMG, MCA or PolyGram finding every title I have needed for a project. On rare occasions I have had to use a "greatest hits" album master if the single version was unusable, or in some cases, a first generation tape copy of an album if the original master could not be located. But generally you can find everything if you are persistent enough to search for it. As for the argument that it doesn't matter whether it was mastered 16 bit, 20 bit or 24 bit -- it all sounds the same when played back on a 16 bit CD player, I must disagree. A/D converters at the recordings studios are marketedly better today than they were in the 1987-88-89 era. Consumer CD players are also much improved. I will agree that in some cases the differences are subtle and with vintage material from the 30's, 40's and 50's, the differences are less dramatic since the original music is more "low fidelity." But still, great musical performances should not be overlooked for technology. Some of the 40's and 50's music still cooks! |
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Name: Ken Garland From: LA Time: 1999-03-10 21:44:13 Comments: I a concur with Steve Baird, except toadd that the really big names will likely be seen in any new format (Elvis, Buddy, etc). I too have Class A component and of course you can play CD's on 5.1, but it is largely a function of your able to hear that discerns any quality distinctions. Many people are unable to tell the differance is sonics. |
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Name: Steve Baird From: LA Time: 1999-03-10 23:37:17 Comments: Hey, Marty, That's encouraging to hear about Sony's efforts. What I would like to see is Bob Dylan's Sixties stuff remastered at 24-bit just as they did for Santana last summer. But where is it? I think you missed my point in my statement that 16 bit is 16 bit, though. From everything I've read, the whole idea about increasing the word length and sampling rate is to improve audio fidelity (Bernie Grundman said in an interview that the new standard was to make digital sound more like Analog). What I meant was that if the master was done at 16/44.1, then it would remain so even though you might have a 24/96 playback system. Ergo, 16 bit is 16 bit, and there would be no sound quality improvement for those who expected it on their new DVD-audio players. |
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Name: Steve Massie Time: 1999-03-11 12:35:32 Comments: For those interested in more information on DVD/ 96 kHz sampling, etc. I recommend the March issue of Pro Audio Review. Tom Jung writes an interesting article on this subject including Direct Stream Digital (a form of one-bit recording) that he says Sony is using. He says that the process is a "bitstream representation of analog waveform making it a much closer resemblance of the input." There is also an article by David Smith detailing Sony Music Studio 307 which has a dedicated DVD Surround and Surround Sound music mix room.I don't understand most of the "tech speak" but I did find both articles extremely interesting.By the way, the March issue is the issue just currently available. |
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Name: Marty Blaise Website: The Blaise Page From: Houston, Texas Time: 1999-03-11 15:55:31 Comments: Has anyone verified the stereo contents of the CDs and cassette tapes being sold by Heartland Music. The "early spring 1999" catalog has a good variety of items for sale, leaning mostly toward classic country, gospel and easy listening. I don't see a website but their address is in Richmond, VA. Maybe Mike C. is familiar with them since they are in Virginia. I apologize if these have already been reviewed in the newsletter, but here is a sampling of the items Heartland is selling - AM Gold Late 60s Rock Classics; The Beatles 1962-1970; The Very Best of Fats Domino; Motown Legends; Teen Idols of the 70s; Teenagers in Love; The Greatest Hits of Abba; Little Jimmy Dickens Country Giant; The Judds Classic Gold; Neil Diamond - Tennessee Moon; The Legendary Dinah Shore; Feel Good Rock and many, many more. The front of the catalog boldly proclaims Original Hits by Original Artists. Hope that's true. Anyway, thought I would pass the info along if anyone might need it. |
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Name: Mark Mathews From: L.I., NY Time: 1999-03-11 21:29:50 Comments: To echo some earlier posts, ok, ok, many of us like the original 45 versions of songs. The original edit, or mix, or in some cases completely different recording. Sure I bought the 45's when I was a kid, and I heard 'em on AM, sometimes butchered shorter than a 45 edit!! But then I found STEREO!! And then...on an FM station I'd hear an extra 30 secs of a 70's pop song that I never heard...then I wanted LP's. I want the whole song. And if it's re-issued and you got a tape than runs longer, I want to hear that. It's great that original 45 mixes/edits are getting more attention now on CD's, believe me, there were plently of old disco or 70's songs that I don't need to hear 6 minutes long. But, I don't understand the bad wrap long version gets from some collectors!! I'm STILL waiting for a CD that will give me the last 30 seconds of "Undercover Angel" by Alan O'DAy. So it runs 4 mins on the Lp instead of 3:30...big deal! If I suddenly long for the AM days, I'll turn down the volume at 3:30......as for creating stereo edits of mono singles, like "Beginnings" these really are not hard to make if you can use a wav editor in Windows, I find that stuff kind of fun. As far as my money, if I have ONE choice of a version to be re-issued, I'd REALLY like the longer one, at least you can shorten those, but when all you get is an edit, you can't put back what's missing! I want to hear every second of a song I wasn't privy to on the 45. As stated below *freedom of choice* should be the key here.....I think I'll go pull out "Angel Of The Morning" by Juice Newton just to hear the last 10 seconds that was missing on the 45, that the radio stations here used play off the LP and turn it way up at the end. I bought that LP for that 10 secs!! -Happy listening all.-MM |
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Name: Mike Arcidiacono Time: 1999-03-11 21:32:24 Comments: Re: Heartland Music Heartland has the rights to issue a Beatles Recording? how come that smells fishy to me?? As far as I know, only MFSL ever got the rights after 1970 to issue Beatles product in the USA. Something is not right here, as the Beatles themselves issued edicts naming EMI as the only co. authorized to issue their product. Anybody?? |
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Name: Doug Peck From: Elk Grove, CA Time: 1999-03-11 22:32:48 Comments: Re. Heartland Music: Isn't that just another dba and mailorder company owned by Time-Warner? They have an address virtually identical to that listed on the Time-Life cd's and carry an abundance of Time-Life product. |
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Name: Jerry Griffith From: Regina, Sask. Canada Time: 1999-03-12 04:45:58 Comments: For those of you who purchased Westside's (NOT JUST) A PRETTY FACE AND A POMPADOUR: SOUTHERN TEENBEAT ON ACE RECORDS OF JACKSON MISSISSIPPI 1958-1963 or read Mike's review in BSN issue #50 you might have noticed that Venus In Blue Jeans by Bobby Jay is the same instrumental track used in the Jimmy Clanton hit version and its in clean STEREO! I wrote to Westside and asked if there was any chance we would ever hear the Jimmy Clanton song in clean stereo and this was the reply I received: "I can inform you that so far no stereo master either session or production has yet turned up for 'Venus' in stereo by Jimmy. We are of course still searching. There are several options: Johnny Vincent may still have somewhere but he also had a habit of sending original masters to companies that he licensed tracks to so these avenues are being followed up too. As the record was originally distributed by VJ we searched there too but they claim to have no Ace tapes but I remain unconvinced. That's as much as I can tell you so f |
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Name: Bradley Olson Website: Bradley Olson--A Person With Autism From: Bemidji, Minnesota Time: 1999-03-12 09:56:51 Comments: Re: Heartland Music/Beatles. Heartland is probably just selling the "red" and "blue" compilations that are available in stores, and yes it is owned by Time-Warner. |
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Name: Garrett Jamieson Time: 1999-03-12 10:18:55 Comments: A few thoughts.....~Paul Anka: On Curb's "Five Decades of Hits", it sounds like "Hold Me 'Til The Morning Comes" has been remixed, compared to the original 45. Peter Cetera's backing vocal is much more prominent on the CD, as well as there being added reverb, and one of the keyboard parts is missing. I'm curious if anyone has the new Anka reissue "Body of Work", and which version it contains. I'm assuming it has the 45 version, since the 45 was on Columbia and "Body of Work" is on Columbia.......~Beach Boys: I find it strange that by 1967, their work was being released in true stereo, but the 1968 single "Do It Again" was only issued in mono (45) and in rechanneled stereo (with the "Workshop Song" sound effects in stereo at the end) (on '20/20'). The BOX SET used the rechanneled version!!!!!! The 1986 CD "Made in USA" has the mono single mix.......~Small Faces: I don't know if it's a stereo rarity or not, but I found a pristine stereo mix of "Itchycoo Park" on a Pair budget reissue, "British Rock Classics". I bought two Sony reissues and both had the murky mono mix. The stereo mix is very wide, and makes better use of the phasing effects....~Jan and Dean: I just got a copy of "Rock Artifacts vol. 4" in the mail yesterday (Thanx Mark!!). Listening to "Yellow Balloon" by J&D, I noticed it's the single version, in stereo (very murky sounding), but it's listed as being AAD. I thought the single version wasn't mixed to stereo until the Sundazed project. What's the history on this stereo mix?? |
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Name: Garrett Jamieson Time: 1999-03-12 13:00:54 Comments: Mike Cloud send me this Email reply to my last message: "The Beach Boys Capitol still weren't being released in stereo in 1967. Many are just now being mixed to stereo, as in "California Girls" and "Pet Sounds". That we only got mono from the Boys was a minor sore point back then. Stereo didn't come about in their recordings until their Brother's Record period: "Holland", "Rock and Roll Music" Not hardly, Mike. From "Surfer Girl" to "All Summer Long", Chuck Britz made true stereo mixes of each album, and they were released by Capitol with ST prefixes along side of the monos. "Today", "Party!", "Pet Sounds", "Smiley Smile", and "Wild Honey" were mono/"Duophonic" only. "20/20", the last Capitol release, was mostly stereo. All Brother/Reprise (starting with "Sunflower", not "Holland") were true stereo. I was pointing out that I found it strange that "Do It Again" was mono on "20/20", after all of the "Friends" album was true stereo (including the Brian Wilson tracks), and the rest of the tracks on "20/20" were true stereo. My only theory is that "Do It Again" was never intended for an album, and therefore was never mixed to stereo (like the Sly and Family Stone Greatest Hits tracks that MIKE THE MAN informed us about in Rock Archives, vol. 1) |
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Name: Christopher (Dr.D.) Dolmetsch From: Hurricane, WV / USA Time: 1999-03-12 13:44:56 Comments: The Collectables Skyliners 40th Anniversary Set is, to date, the best we've seen by the group on compact disc. It contains their Calico recordings, their Colpix singles, and some odds and ends from Capitol and Jubilee among others. For reasons which should be clear to any BSN reader, it does not include their Cameo single ("Three Coins In The Fountain"), nor does it contain any of their 1970 Buddah album material. There is (IMHO) one serious flaw in the set, which I've discussed with Collectables, and I am not sure their answer was correct or satisfactory. Disc 2 includes "The Door Is Still Open" from what I believe to be a slowed down tape. Jimmy Beaumont's high tenor voice takes on an almost baritone quality. I compared this to the transcription found on Itzy 106 ("Pittsburgh's Greatest Hits Volume 6) and indeed the Itzy version is slightly faster and sounds more natural. Collectables assures me that they have used "the best existing tape" of the song, but if that is the case, then someone must have slowed it down at some point. Despite this flaw, the set is well worth getting, especially for the five session outtakes Joe Rock apparently volunteered from his personal collection. |
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Name: Chad Allan From: Winnipeg Time: 1999-03-12 16:23:02 Comments: Anyone pick up the new RCA Guess Who comp? Any improvement over the 3-cd Ultimate Collection? No more annoying tape hiss? Is the ending of "Sour Suite" fixed (it creeps into HISSY mono for the last line). How about "Broken"..was that poor quality tape used again? And "Wolfman", single edit or full LP version? |
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Name: Randy Price Website: From: New York Time: 1999-03-12 17:19:56 Comments: I recently picked up the quadraphonic issue of Sly & The Family Stone's Greatest Hits on eBay. When played on a conventional stereo system, ALL tracks are true stereo. |
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Name: Tom Daly Website: Skyline Digital Audio Restoration Service From: Metro Boston Time: 1999-03-12 22:53:18 Comments: Regarding Randy Price's post about the quad pressing of "Sly & the Family Stone's Greatest Hits" - While all cuts are not MONO, I wouldn't exactly call them stereo. There is an odd "out-of-phase" characteristic about them that is particularly annoying when listening through headphones. I tinkered around with the three cuts that have appeared in mono on stereo issues, and discovered the only way to make them less annoying is to use a "sum and difference" mix which converts the quad mix to two-track stereo. The only thing this LP serves to illustrate is that somewhere, multitrack tapes exist of those three cuts. "Hot Fun in the Summertime" has appeared on a volume of "Rock Artifacts" on Legacy, but where are the stereo mixes of "Thank You (Falettinme Be Mice Elf Agin)" and "Everybody is a Star?" |
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Name: Dave Daugherty From: Dublin, Ohio Time: 1999-03-13 10:15:55 Comments: Regarding Tom Daly's post about Sly & The Family Stone, the true stereo mix of "Thank You (Falettinme Be Mice Elf Agin)" appeared on a Sony Legacy Demo disc that I believe I purchased from a Legacy ad I saw in Stereo Review back in 1990. The disc was digitally remastered by Mark Wilder at Sony in New York, and although it doesn't list who did the remix, I'd bet that Bob Irwin had a hand in it. It is the full LP version by the way (6:20). The sound is fantastic and clearly not a quad reduction. I assume this track was prepared for an upcoming re-issue of a Sly Greatest Hits CD which never saw the light of day for some reason. While I've never seen it, I've also heard that Time Life had a true stereo version on one of their discs as well. |
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Name: Graham From: CO Time: 1999-03-13 11:13:15 Comments: Hey, I heard I think last year that The Beatles "A Hard Days Night" was going to be rereleased in theaters THIS month. But I have not heard anything about it this year. Can anyone confirm this? Also I bought the Video Anthology series by the Beatles and made a greatest hits video of all the Beatles videos that are available and its looks and sounds great. It starts with the Cavern performance "Some other Guy Now" and ends with the Video "Something". I only keep it for myself and it took me 8 hours. Also I taped it at SP for better quality and it almost last two VCR Tapes so I added a Turtles video, a Rollings Stones Video, and the Whoos' "A Quick One" Video, it was well worth the time and its only for my use!! |
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Name: Alain Dupont From: Québec (Canada) Time: 1999-03-13 13:05:20 Comments: Just wanted to confirm that Sly & The Family Stone's "Thank You (Falletin Me Be Mice Elf Agin)" does appear in true stereo on Time-Life's "Sounds Of The Seventies - 1970". |
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Name: Larry Naramore Website: From: Sun Valley, Ca. land of liquid sunshine and sand Time: 1999-03-13 22:00:14 Comments: Looking for two Sergio Mendez songs on CD. "Bridges" and "Waters of March". |
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Name: Randy Price Website: From: New York Time: 1999-03-14 17:49:38 Comments: Tom, I listened again through headphones to the quad Sly's Greatest Hits album, but I didn't notice the out-of-phase characteristic you mentioned. The mixes on "Hot Fun" and "Thank You" are similar to the ones on the Rock Artifacts and Time Life 1970 CDs, respectively. |
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Name: Garrett Jamieson Time: 1999-03-15 12:09:03 Comments: Re: Graham--"it was well worth the time and its only for my use!! " Well, keep it to yourself if you don't want to share! Re: Rock Archives/S&TFS--Mike's liner notes to RA #1 state that the Irwin/Anesini remix doesn't contain any of the "piano tinkling" found on the quad mix. I don't recall any piano tinkling on any of the mixes, mono stereo or quad! Re: "Itchycoo Park" stereo--In response to the repetitive Emails, the disc was "British Rock Classics", on Pair Records. It is now out of print, and my copy is a CD-R, so I don't have the catalogue #'s. |
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Name: Luke Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 1999-03-15 12:16:25 Comments: Does anyone have Chuck Berry's "Rock 'N' Roll Rarities"? I see CD Now notes it contains stereo remixes. Would these be first time (and possibly only time) stereo cuts, or simply better mixes of some songs? And have the remixes been used on CDs since? |
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Name: Marty Blaise Website: The Blaise Page From: Houston, Texas Time: 1999-03-15 16:12:53 Comments: In my search for certain recordings in stereo, it seems like there are certain times of the year for items I'm looking for. For instance, I'm looking for a lot of things that made the top 40 in November and December 1971. Is there a web site or does someone have the weekly top 40 lists for those months? Such as, could I pull up the top 40 for the week of December 19, 1971 or does someone have such a list? I've found top 100 lists on the Internet, but I'm more interested in top 40 week-by-week type thing. Anyone have any advice? By the way, thank you to those that have visited my web site. If you have any suggestions for it, please let me know. |
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Name: Steve Baird From: Baton Rouge Time: 1999-03-15 16:43:30 Comments: OK, guys, Ace's new LAND OF 1000 DANCES just arrived, and here is the track layout. There are TEN stereo tracks and 20 in mono -- some of those mono ones are in stereo elsewhere, but everybody's buying this for the Harlem Shuffle anyway, which is as good sounding as anyone would expect coming from a Primo Oldies label. I am happy to report that THE MADISON by Al Brown's Tunetoppers is finally on CD here. This is ONE from a wish list I sent to Trevor Churchill last year (I'm still looking for one of these QUOTE * Hard to Find Oldies CDs * UNQUOTE to put a copy of Cozy Cole's TURVY on it instead of yet another copy of TOPSY. Another surprise is a LIVE Stereo Nitty Gritty. A solid A (as usual) for Ace here. The tracks: Bob & Earl: Harlem Shuffle (S); Little Eva: Loco-Motion (M); Rollers: The Continental Walk (M); Tommy James & The Shondells: Hanky Panky (M); Isley Brothers: Twist And Shout (S); Billy Graves: The Shag (Is Totally Cool) (M); Champs: Limbo Rock (M); Al Brown's Tunetoppers: The Madison (M); Capitols: Cool Jerk (S); Major Lance: The Monkey Time (M); Jackie Lee: The Duck (M); Johnny Otis Show: Willie And The Hand Jive (M); Rufus Thomas: Walkin' The Dog (M); Vibrations: Watusi (M); Steve Alaimo: Mashed Potatoes (M); Bobby “Boris” Pickett: Monster Mash (S); Diamonds: The Stroll (M); Mark Valentino: The Push And Kick (M); Jimmy McCracklin: The Walk (M); Joey Dee & The Starlighters: Peppermint Twist (S); Tony & Joe: The Freeze (M); Ray Barretto: El Watusi (M); Lee Dorsey: Ride Your Pony (S); Bobby Freeman: C'mon and Swim (S); Olympics: Hully Gully (Baby) (S); Shirley Ellis: Nitty Gritty (alt take Live) (S); Cannibal & The Headhunters: Land Of A Thousand Dances (M); Chris Montez: Let's Dance (S); |
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Name: Richard Otis From: Bellingham, Wa. Time: 1999-03-15 16:52:55 Comments: Re: Luke's question about Chuck Berry's RnR Rarities CD. I own the vinyl version of that cd and "More RnR Rarities'' as well and they both have unreleased versions (both alternates and demos) of his common hits as well as first time (at that time)stereo such as "No Particular Place to Go.'' They both also contain remixes (by the highly respected Steve Hoffman) of already released material. |
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Name: Randy Price Website: From: New York Time: 1999-03-15 18:06:11 Comments: Garrett, there is what could be called "piano tinkling" on "Hot Fun In The Summertime." It's more noticeable on the quad mix (even when listened to in stereo) than on the stereo mix on Rock Artifacts, where it's more buried in the mix. |
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Name: Dave Sampson Time: 1999-03-15 19:02:12 Comments: For Steve Baird: Re: "Land of 1000 Dances" CD. Although I am thrilled about getting "Harlem Shuffle" in stereo(and I have ordered the CD), I am disappointed to hear that "the Shag" & "The Duck" are mono. The ACE website clearly states that "Other stereos include The Duck, (Baby) Hully Gully, Ride Your Pony, Monster Mash and The Shag." I hope I'm wrong but I hope this isn't a case of ACE getting sloppy. BTW, isn't "El Watusi" supposed to exist in stereo somewhere? |
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Name: Chris Nagel From: Back Home Again in Indiana Time: 1999-03-15 19:32:43 Comments: To Dave Sampson: a stereo version of "El Watusi" appears on the "Carlito's Way" soundtrack CD (Epic Soundtrax EK 57620--1993) |
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Name: Ken Garland From: LA Time: 1999-03-15 21:45:22 Comments: Marty, what is the website with the top 100 list? Is a top 100 for the year or the month or the week? |
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Name: Abby Website: From: Alabama Time: 1999-03-16 09:14:44 Comments: I think this is about oldies music. I am looking for an oldies group the Letterman. I find certain records by them but not the one I am looking for. Do you know where to find these records that are imposible to find. |
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Name: Paul Bigelow From: Austin, TX Time: 1999-03-16 10:50:25 Comments: Luke, for stereo content and sonic quality the Chuck Berry Rock and Roll rarities Vol. 1 and 2 are (not sure if vol.2 is still around) highly recommended. Plenty of great sounding remixes -- get it while you can! Given the state of affairs these days those discs are probably the best SOUNDING Chuck Berry there is or maybe ever going to be. |
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Name: Steve Baird From: Baton Rouge Time: 1999-03-16 11:05:26 Comments: RE Land of 1000 Dances. Dave S, well THE SHAG might be (S) instead of (M), but it's VERRRRRRY narrow (S); and you are correct about THE DUCK. It's (S) -- narrow (S) too, but not as narrow as The Shag. A few further thoughts while I'm here. Some of these are the best sounding samples of the common songs I've heard: Loco-Motion, in particular. The Isley Brothers' tune sounds like it was cloned from the Sundazed CD, but might be just a touch better. Haven't compared it directly. Cool Jerk is smoother sounding than I remember too. As for Harlem Shuffle, expect some distortion on the voices, but there's plenty of ambience on the horns, hand clapping and drums. See ya. |
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Name: Larry Naramore Website: From: Sun Valley, Ca. Time: 1999-03-18 00:20:34 Comments: Caught the last part of "Stereo" last night on the History channel. Really informative/interesting. Don't know when it will be repeated. Look for it. Larry |
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Name: Glenn Sauter Time: 1999-03-18 10:09:36 Comments: Does anyone know if "I Need Someone" by The Belmonts is available in stereo? Thanks in advance. |
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Name: Randy Vest From: New York City Time: 1999-03-18 11:21:36 Comments: This might have already been covered on this board but I just picked up Collectables' new "The Very Best of the Dixie Cups" CD. Took it right home last night and listened to it on headphones. Am happy to report that all cuts, save three, are in stereo and mostly very clean ("No True Love," an obscure B-side is in mono and sounds like it's from vinyl). All of their hits——"Chapel of Love," "People Say," "You Should Have Seen the Way He Looked at Me," "Little Bell," "Iko Iko," etc. are in stereo but all sound, to my ears, like alternate versions/mixes from the single versions, i.e. backup vocals/handclaps/ various instruments added or omitted. There are two extra cuts that make the CD a must-have: an alternate version of "People Say" with a slightly different arrangement, and an a cappella version of "Iko Iko" with just the girls and the sticks doing their thing (no bass) and with the lyric "He's not a man, he's a sex machine" instead of "lovin' machine"! Overall, a very pleasant surprise from Collectables, given their spotty (at best) past releases. |
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Name: Mike Cloud From: Houston, TX Time: 1999-03-18 18:20:15 Comments: U.S. News & World Report (March 22, page 52) reports on a new Dolby Digital Surround Sound System due to debut with the new Star Wars movie in May. It also says that Dolby is producing a version for home stereo, HDTV, PC's and DVD players. So save your money. Yet another digital standard is waiting in the wings. |
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Name: Mark Mathews From: Li, NY Time: 1999-03-18 19:15:43 Comments: Hello All, I'm sure some here are have technically superior knowledge to mine, so correct me I'm mistaken......Re: Quad LP's: I have several including the Sly...they all have that "out of phase" effect to some degree. Wasn't that intentional for use with quad? I've never played them on a quad system, and I've only seen one quad receiver. By looking at the controls, it seemed to me the principals of Quad were very similar to dolby surround, except that in the early 70's, the center channel had to be "already out of phase" on the record so that it would disappear in the discreet channels (or rear speakers if you will....) by being phased out. This "out of phase" effect causes "Quad" mixes to sound odd when played in 2 channel stereo. It's been pointed out in the newsletter that when you take a stereo signal and put one channel out of phase, then convert it to mono, anything in the "center" will disappear (be phased out). It seems this was the technology on which Quad was based, and later Dolby surround. Can anyone elaborate on this? |
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Name: Mike Cloud From: Houston, TX Time: 1999-03-18 20:35:16 Comments: To make quad matters more confusing, there were several incompatible systems: SQ, QS, Discrete and maybe one more. |
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Name: Larry Naramore Website: From: Sun Valley, Ca. Time: 1999-03-18 23:55:50 Comments: Here's a link and some info on the show I saw the other night. Modern Marvels: Stereos AAE-42298 $19.95 50 minutes Products are unavailable for shipment outside of the U.S. and Canada It began with a wax cylinder invented by “The Wizard of Menlo Park.” More than a century later, sound reproduction has been virtually perfected. MODERN MARVELSTM tells the story of the hobbyists, enthusiasts and professionals who have transformed the music of life into a rich symphony. Examine the inventions of pioneers like Edison, Ray Dolby and Tom Holman, the man behind THX sound. Audio engineers reveal the secrets of successful sound. See how the digital revolution has re-invented the industry, making years of research and development largely irrelevant, and paving the way for truly “perfect” sound. And hear the difference through the years, as the top machines of various eras play their best stuff. STEREOS is a century-long journey through the history of sound, introducing the men and machines that have changed the way we listen to the world. Larry http://store.historychannel.com/historychannel/index.icl?srcdoc=zitem%2Eicl%3Ffeatid%3D42298&order identifier=orderidentifier&refer=THC&promo=sitem&pos=thcs:stereos |
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Name: Luke Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 1999-03-19 01:21:28 Comments: I was just thinking about the Mamas & The Papas (after seeing the thing on VH1). I believe most/all of their stuff was recorded at Western Studios in LA, which as you should know is where Brian Wilson did most of his work. We've seen (and heard) that those tapes (in their remixed form, ala the Pet Sounds box, among others) sound great, so I'd bet those M&P multitracks sound pretty good as well - if they still exist. |
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Name: Bob Olivia From: Burbank, California Time: 1999-03-19 04:13:18 Comments: Does anyone know if the Complete Elvis Presley TV appearances has ever been released on CD? I have the box set on LP from late 70's. This would include the 6 Dorsey Brothers shows, 2 Milton Berle shows, 1 Steve Allen show,and 3 Ed Sullivan shows. Spoke with Bill Buster this week, good stuff coming soon from Eric Records. Does anyone have a complete video of Dion and the Belmonts singing I Wonder Why from American Bandstand 1958, the one with all 4 singing? Bob Olivia. |
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Name: Tom Crook Website: From: Connecticut Time: 1999-03-19 07:25:41 Comments: In the early '70s (circa 72 - 73) there was a network show that aired on Saturday evenings, 11:30 PM - 1:00 AM (produced by Dick Clark on NBC, I think) called "In Concert". It featured live performances that were simulcast on Stereo FM stations (pre-stereo TV). I taped some of them from FM in stereo, my favorites were by the Guess Who (American Woman), Jim Croce and Melanie (Brand New Key, etc...). Unfortunately my tapes were in a car that was stolen in early 1975 - and never recovered ('65 Mustang convertible, but I probably still miss the tapes more!). Does anyone know if these recordings still exist in any form, or could possibly have been released? |
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Name: Charles G. Hill Website: Chez Chaz From: Dustbury, Oklahoma Time: 1999-03-19 08:30:39 Comments: The two major matrix quad systems, CBS's SQ and the QS system pushed by some equipment manufacturers (odd that they'd pick the same two letters), were basically two-channel systems in which the information destined for the rear channels was mixed to the front with some predetermined phase change; the decoder box was expected to take care of any enusing phase problems. They didn't work all that well, not even the vaunted SQ Full Logic system, which, in my installation at least, gave the impression that some invisible hand was twiddling the balance controls. JVC's CD-4 system, adopted by the Warner labels and RCA Victor, was theoretically free of these problems - on each side, front and rear were mixed to the front and the F-R information was overlaid at a higher frequency, much as the L-R information is encoded in FM stereo - but getting phono cartridges to work well up to 45 kHz was dicey at best, which meant that all manner of anomalies could creep into the sound field. |
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Name: John Adkins From: Phoenix Time: 1999-03-19 09:05:10 Comments: Re: "In Concert"...it was on ABC, Friday nights late night (I'm thinking it may have been a later start than 11:30/ 10:30 Central). Although, as always, you should "check local listings." |
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Name: Paul Bigelow From: Austin, TX Time: 1999-03-19 09:36:27 Comments: Quad (circa 70's) was a bit ahead of its time, in my opinion. The technology (except for reel-to-reel quad!) just "wasn't there" yet. CD-4 isn't too bad, actually. Finding the proper cartridge/stylus for CD-4 can be a problem but not too difficult. My testing with a few contempory "high tracking" cartridges. Two of the nice fallouts of the quad saga were the JVC "super vinyl" and the Shibata stylus. |
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Name: Luke Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 1999-03-19 16:35:07 Comments: Back to the old "did Abbey Road have 4 track before late 1963?" debate - hopefully this should put an end to it. Taken from "EMI: The First 100 Years" by Peter Martland. "Abbey Road bought its first four-track stereo machine in 1959 - a Telefunken which used one-inch tape. At first, the idea was to use it for opera and choral recordings, where it was quite difficult to get the right balance between the orchestra, chorus and soloists. Splitting the various elements in tracks provided the opportunity to get the right sound at the remix stage, long after the artists had departed. It was not envisioned that pop recordings would be done in four-track since radio broadcasting was monaural. As pop bands discovered the possibilities of recording four-track, Abbey Road purchased eight superb Studer J37 machines from Switzerland." "The Beatles were not, however, the first pop group to use four-track; that distinction went to Cliff Richard and the Shadows." It goes on to say IWTHYH was the first Beatles track done on 4 track, and how 4 track recording worked... |
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Name: graham From: CO Time: 1999-03-19 18:42:20 Comments: Just got the "Band on the Run" Anniversary CD. Nothing new but the 2nd CD is a treat, outakes and narration sounds OK. Paul tells stories of the recording session. He mentions when he got mugged in Africa too. |
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Name: Steve Baird From: Baton Rouge Time: 1999-03-21 08:57:31 Comments: Was driving home from grocery shopping yeasterday, and heard the BEATLES Do You Want To Know A Secret on the radio in stereo. I don't recall anyone talking about this one. I checked my database only to discover that this one appears in mono on only one of my CDs. Is this one readily available on a legitimate release? Of interest to some, I also noted yesterday on ebay that the bidding on an MFSL box set of Beatles was approaching $600. |
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Name: Luke Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 1999-03-21 13:47:11 Comments: Steve, re: DYWTKAS is from the Please Please Me LP. It was originally released in stereo in the UK (along with With The Beatles, A Hard Day's Night, and Beatles For Sale), but has only been in mono on CD. Most LP versions out there are stereo - the mono ones being the original (1960's) releases and the recent digitally remastered version. Several bootleg CDs contain disc dubs of those first four LPs. |
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Name: Barry Cashion From: Mooresville, NC Time: 1999-03-21 13:59:54 Comments: Hi All--Just thought I'd pass on a little tidbit about the Cameo/Parkway situation... I recently sent an e-mail to Ace UK, thanking them for the excellent "Land Of 1000 Dances" CD, and I mentioned how unfortunate it is that so many obvious omissions had to be made because of licensing restrictions; all those great dance records from C/P such as "The Twist", "Mashed Potato Time", "The Bristol Stomp", "Wah-Watusi", etc. Just out of curiosity, I asked if they had ever been able to make any headway with Abkco about using any of the stuff. Trevor Churchill wrote me back and said that, although they are on very good terms with Jody Klein socially, every request to licence either Cameo/Parkway or SAR/Derby material has been met with a flat refusal and no explanation. He went on to say that their theory is that Abkco has an ownership problem with the C/P stuff because of the way the public corporation was wound up when Mr. K took over in '67, and that as soon as he releases any of this stuff, the artists will immediately sue for back royalties (and it would NEVER DO for him to have to actually PAY the ARTISTS, would it?). I guess this does make sense, since technically Klein never completely shut down C/P, but simply kept it going under a new name; and since the original company is still in business, the performers might have a good case for residuals, whereas they probably wouldn't have a leg to stand on if the original company had been completely dissolved and Abkco had been created from scratch. He also said that Kal Mann (one of C/P's best producers back then) had claimed that he actually owned the whole catalog, so it's just a colossal legal mess and, meanwhile, no C/P on CD... ARGH!!! On a related note... I wonder if the Ronettes are making any headway in their lawsuit against Phil Spector for unpaid royalties? I read that if they win, Spector will not only have to cough-up the money, but will also have to turn over the original master tapes to the girls! Since Spector and Allen Klein are "in cohoots" now, I would LOVE to see them have to relinquish some of their "holdings" that they've been so selfish with... And also, if the Ronettes themselves gain control of their recordings, maybe they'll allow them to be legitimately released in stereo on CD! Here's hoping... |
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Name: Joel Goldenberg From: Montreal Time: 1999-03-21 19:23:29 Comments: Hi! I've always been curious why Billy Joel never put Honesty on his greatest hits collection - it's one of his best songs! The man had four chances to do so, for gosh sakes! The original vinyl, the 2-CD set with bonus (non-Top 40) tracks, the box set with the three greatest hits and bonus disc together and the newly remastered two-CD set. Does Billy Joel dislike the song or is it an ongoing oversight - I mean, The Entertainer rather than Honesty? Also, is the Dawn greatest hits on BMG better, worse or the same that came out on Rhino a few years ago? See ya! |
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Name: Walt Haake From: Princeton, NJ Time: 1999-03-21 22:41:16 Comments: Anyone know if the Zorba The Greek track by Herb Albert & The Tijuana Band that's on Juke Box Hits - 1965 Volume 3 is the single version? It's on the Juke Box Hits label that's associated with Stardust. |
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Name: Tony Waitekus Website: All Hit 98-9 WHTS From: Davenport, IA (Quad Cities) Time: 1999-03-22 08:57:17 Comments: Regarding the Cameo/Parkway situation. If the situation that the guy from ACE records speculates is true, it doesn't explain why ABKCO put out Cameo/Parkway albums and 45 rpm reissues in the 70's and 80's. There were the Rock-O-Rama albums, and greatest hits from Chubby Checker and the Tymes. And numerous 45's. Also ABKCO apparently did license "Sock it to me Santa" from Bob Seger to PLG for a budget Christmas CD. If Kal Mann says he owns it, why doesn't he put it out. (I know...he doesn't want litigation either) |
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