This page contains the messages put onto the BSN Stereo Chat Board during August 1, 1999 and August 4-31, 1999. The archives from August 2 to August 3 have been lost. The messages are in chronological order from first to last. To search for specific topics, use the "find" utility on your browser. For a search of the complete archives, please go to the Stereo Chat Board Archives Main Page.
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Name: beetlefan Website: was under construction From: AZ Time: 1999-08-01 00:13:46 Comments: Hi everybody, I can't seem to find the 45 RPM single edit of the Eagles' "Lyin' Eyes". I want to recreate the single edit from the DCC Classics gold disc of "Their Greatest Hits" using the single as a model. If anyone has this single, could you make an mp3 of it and e-mail it to me? I would really appreciate it. Thanks, in advance. |
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Name: beetlefan From: I dunno Time: 1999-08-01 02:03:59 Comments: Gee, i'm a one man forum these days! Does anyone know where I can find "You Can't Sit Down" by Bill Dogget on CD? It was released in the early sixties on Warner Brothers and was a two part single. |
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Name: Steve
Baird From: Baton Rouge Time: 1999-08-01 09:37:58 Comments: beetlefan: Sorry I can't help you locate a source for Bill Doggett's version of YCSD, which was a new one on me! I imagine that it's a lot like Phil Upchurch's 1961 version, or did Upchurch copy Bill's? As for it being a 1-man chat board, I've often noticed that contributions drop off on weekends. To Charlie Brown & others looking for OOP CDs from Capitol's Legendary Masters Series: I was out yesterday afternoon trying to find some of the elusive disks on my own Want List, and stumbled across a VERY FEW of the Legendary Masters titles in my local used stores. As hard as these are to find, I will be happy to pick any of these up and send them on to you; just e-mail me. The titles I saw were: Ricky Nelson Volume 2, The Isley Brothers, and Johnny Rivers' 2-on-one collection of the material from two of his live albums. I checked all three of these out, and I would describe them as Mint. That's it -- these rarely show up in the local stores, here, and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if this were true in other parts of the country too. The latest issue of Positive Feedback magazine arrived in yesterday's mail too. These guys have jumped on the DSD bandwagon, with 2 interviews -- one with an engineer at Sony, the other with Ed Meitner who has been on the audio engineering scene for the past several decades. These 2 guys paint and extremely rosy picture for the future of digital audio. The articles are only somewhat technical, and should be accessible to anyone who's interested with even a scant bit of knowledge of the science of electronics and sound. Their magazine can be found in most Barnes & Noble book stores. |
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Name: Bradley
Olson Website: Bradley Olson--A Person With Autism From: Bemidji, Minnesota Time: 1999-08-01 20:55:26 Comments: The other disc from the Legendary Masters Series I was able to get at a clearance price from Columbia House on was the Ventures' "Walk-Don't Run: The Best Of..." compilation which is a great collection of their hits. It does have great sound too. |
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Name: graham From: san jose Time: 1999-08-04 23:27:18 Comments: Hi just got the 2cd set by the skyliners featuring Jimmy Beaumont, sounds excellent. I like specialy the outtakes. Also got Jimmy Clanton's "Jimmy's Tunes". Sounds great but dissapointed that "Venus in Blue Jeans" aint on it. Also got Bobby Vee's EMI's double CD (50 songs)the best of em all. But bad news. Got the "Peter Paul, and Mary" 4 CD Readers Digest greatest hits with solo stuff. Very Very GOOD. But went to Santa Cruz beach this week end with it and now I cant find PPM's greatest hits!! I'm Bummed. |
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Name: Steve Elders Website: From: Orange, CA Time: 1999-08-05 01:08:45 Comments: To anyone connected with Varese: Can you tell me if any of the following songs are on the coming White Whale disc? "The Lights of Night" by Deni Lynn, "No Sugar Tonight" by Steel Wool, "Friends" by Feather, and "A Broken Man" by the Malibu's. All of these singles charted on KHJ in Los Angeles in 1968-70. |
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Name: JOHN R.
PRESTON From: ARLINGTON, TEXAS Time: 1999-08-05 01:53:18 Comments: Just got a computer and not sure if it will work, but here goes nothing. Enjoyed the archives, but what happened to the entries for August 1998 to August 1999? Someone last year asked about the Johnny Sea hit "DAY FOR DECISION". It's on a cd called American Reflections, on Lost Oldies Records,LGR4339, from Collector's Choice. It's rather pricy, for one hit song, but it is the original lp, and in nice sounding stereo. |
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Name: JOHN R.
PRESTON From: ARLINGTON, TEXAS Time: 1999-08-05 21:37:06 Comments: Does anyone know where I can find the Doors's cd single with the single version of Light My Fire and the stereo version of the Rolling Stones's It's All Over Now. I Know that the Stones hit appeared on the early European cd's, but I waited too long and never got it. Also, are the first four Beatles albums still available on cd anywhere in stereo, such as from Japan. I Just got the Collector's Choice release of David Houston's Greatest Hits. It's just what the doctor ordered, with all of his Top 10 country hits, with 23 of the 24 tracks in stereo. The only mono hit is Mountain Of Love (not the rock song) and I'm still wondering how that song ever became a hit in the first place. If you like David Houston, it's a "must-have". Thanks Mike and Brenda for giving us this forum. It's great! |
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Name: beetlefan From: AZ Time: 1999-08-05 22:22:04 Comments: John R Preston: I have the Doors CD single. I can't part with it but I can send it to you. E-mail me. A couple of years ago I read in Billboard, or maybe even in BSN, I think, where an Italian company released the first four Beatles CD's in stereo. |
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Name: Ray Duke From: San Antonio Time: 1999-08-06 04:28:14 Comments: I play in a band with Bobby Rey, who produced "Image of a Girl" for the Safaris, he says there was never a stereo mix made-he's not sure who has the tapes now, will try to find out and maybe someone can take it from there! |
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Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Racine, WI Time: 1999-08-06 14:17:39 Comments: John, re: For the info about the Stones tracks, see my website - I've got info on where to find them, notes, etc... On a similar subject - Cream. A few notes. First of all, I noticed in the notes to the box set that the backing track to I Feel Free (if not the other Fresh Cream tracks) was recorded across 4 tracks of a 4 track machine, which was then mixed down to a mono tape, which was then copied to another 4 track to be overdubbed. If that's the case and the tapes still exist, somebody should be able to do a sync up ala Pet Sounds for a better stereo mix... Also, it's been widely regarded that the Disraeli Gears multis went down in the Atlantic Fire. However, on the box we have an outtake of Lawdy Mama (*not* the Strange Brew clone, found on Live Cream). Do the tapes actually exist, or was this a fluke? It would sure be nice to hear that material remixed, as it's really quite hissy. |
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Name: Joe
Reynolds From: Los Angeles Time: 1999-08-06 20:40:01 Comments: Looking for a couple of mid-60's medium size hits from actor/singer Noel Harrison, "A Young Girl" from '65 and "Suzanne" from '67. Anyone seen these appear on CD??? |
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Name: Bradley
Olson Website: Bradley Olson--A Person With Autism From: Bemidji, Minnesota Time: 1999-08-07 10:47:22 Comments: Joe, Noel Harrison's "Suzanne" has appeared on the VA compilations "Wow! (At Last Volume 2") and Memory Lane/Time Volge 5 (1966-1967). A Young Girl has appeared on the VA compilation "World Hits and Memories 1969" all out of print. GEMM and/or eBay may help you obtain these CD's |
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Name: David Clark From: Ottawa Time: 1999-08-07 16:18:49 Comments: "A Young Girl" also appeared on a VA CD up here in Canada. From Polytel, it's called "The One And Only 60's Album". It also contains a few other hard-to-find-on-CD tracks, such as "Life And Death In G & A" by Abaco Dream, "I Was Kaiser Bill's Batman" by Whistling Jack Smith and "Here It Comes Again" The Fortunes, all in stereo. |
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Name: Barry
Cashion From: Mooresville, NC Time: 1999-08-08 14:42:24 Comments: Hi gang... I was just wondering if, by any chance, any of you have heard anything recently about whether Varese is planning to continue the "On The Radio" series? I've emailed Dick Bartley AND Steve Massie AND Varese, with no response from any of them. I don't think they're intentionally ignoring me; I know they're all very busy people... I do hope that some more volumes are in the works; there are SO many more original 45 versions (possibly in stereo), DJ edits, etc. that would be good to have for completeness' sake, such as some of the Chicago and Moody Blues singles, for example, and the 45 version of the Poppy Family's "Which Way You Goin', Billy", which I believe was a unique mix and/or edit and faded later than the LP cut. The stereo "Next Plane To London" by the Rose Garden would be nice too. I've also been hoping for the true original 45 version of the Doors' "Light My Fire"; most of the short versions I've heard lately just sound like the LP cut was edited once, in the obvious spot; actually the original 45 master also had a second edit pretty soon after the first. I don't know if this 45 version was done in stereo or in mono only, but I remember once seeing a gold-and-black label 45 of it which said something to the effect of "stereo/mono compatible" on the label. I would be happy to get it either way; the stereo is great, but that original mono 45 was very "punchy" and had a lot of "oomph". Another good Elektra 45 version to have would be Judy Collins' "Both Sides Now". I don't know if this single version has already shown up on CD, but the version of this song on my "Colors Of The Day--The Best Of Judy Collins" CD is a completely different recording--vocal, instrumentation, and all. I guess it could be simply an alternate take from the same session, but it's definitely different. Hopefully these types of things are "licenseable"; some of the major companies (and other owners) seem to be getting more Allen Klein-ish about their back catalogs. Here's hoping, anyhow... |
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Name: Marty
Wekser From: Los Angeles Time: 1999-08-08 14:54:57 Comments: This is a question which requires a somewhat specialized answer. I'm sure someone who checks this site regularly will know the answer. Many of the "Rock And Roll Era" series CD's (the original ones with 22 songs on each volume) were later remastered. Some of the original ones used dreadful tape transfers (1987 - who knew!!). When they did do remastering, they offered to replace old CD's with the new ones. Is there anyone who has a list of which titles were remastered and what the current master is (RE-1, RE-2, RE-3)?? Thanks. |
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Name: beetlefan Website: improving, but still under construction From: AZ Time: 1999-08-08 16:05:41 Comments: Barry Cashion, wow! My memory must be starting to fail me, or I didn't really have the original 45 of "Light My Fire" as a kid. I thought it always just had that one edit in the middle, and was a stereo single. Rhino now has access to all the Elektra catalog. Bill Inglot does the "On The Radio" series. If we all contact Varese Vintage, maybe these songs, and others, like "Which Way You Goin' Billy" will show up on the next volumes. They should put them out because they've done well. The last batch came out in late October '98. It's about that time. |
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Name: beetlefan From: AZ Time: 1999-08-08 16:14:38 Comments: BTW, I'm going to start looking for the 45 of "Light My Fire" and "Which Way You Goin' Billy". If anyone has one or both of thses 45's and can do mp3's, e-mail me and sent them to me, please. Zip them, if you can. |
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Name: Randy Price Website: Referred by: NewsGroups From: New York Time: 1999-08-08 17:35:10 Comments: Barry, the stereo single version of "Both Sides Now" is on Judy Collins' 2-CD Forever An Anthology (Elektra 62104-2), as well as on the CD reissue of the Wildflowers album (Elektra 74012-2). The more-recent anthology is mastered louder and a little brighter, but some minor high-frequency noise is audible on that track. |
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Name: Steve
Baird From: Baton Rouge: Bayou Country Time: 1999-08-09 13:11:07 Comments: A little help from the Beach Boys Affcionados, please. I picked up a sealed copy of the now OOP LITTLE DEUCE COUPE (CDP 7243 8 29630 2 B), and would like to know (before I open it) How this one stacks up. My database tells me that I have 3 of the 4 hits on it (409, Little Deuce Coupe, Shut Down & Be True To Your School) in stereo (only 409 is mono on all my other Beach Boys Collections), and am wondering whether this CD is all mono, all stereo (particularly 409 & BTTYS), or what? I may take it back & exchange it for something else unless someone tells me this one's a keeper. Thanks for your help. |
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Name: JIM
FARO From: FLORAL PARK, NY Time: 1999-08-09 16:04:35 Comments: looking for rhino "british invasion" series, vol. 2. there are 9 vols. i had them all, but lost no.2. any info would be appreciated, since it seems out of print. |
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Name: David R.
Modny Time: 1999-08-09 20:49:20 Comments: Re: Beach Boys - The "Little Deuce Coupe" CD contains the "album" version of "Be True To Your School". The CD is in stereo, with the exception of "A Young Man Is Gone" ( acapella mono ) and "409"... which has never been mixed to stereo as it dates from the 4/62 demo session for Capitol. The single, hit version of BTTYS ( completely different recording ) has never been mixed to stereo either. It is available on several other comps. |
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Name: Marty
Wekser From: Los Angeles Time: 1999-08-11 02:41:19 Comments: Does anyone who burns their own CD-R's know of a good label maker for printing on blank labels? And -- where can one buy blank labels and such a label maker? Thanks. (I am using a Phillips CD-R writer.) |
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Name: beetlefan From: AZ Time: 1999-08-11 03:39:45 Comments: Hi Marty, I've been using Fellowes' Neato labeling kit for a year now. I use it with Microsoft paint and Corel Printhouse Magic. It's very easy to import images into the program, but I feel it's capabilities are a bit limited. That's why I use the other softwre packages. The labels themselves stick well on most brands of CD-R. I get the lables from Staples and Circut City. Even Wally-World has begun to sell them. Other products out there include Memorex, Great Gizmos' Stick It Right, and Avery. I've never tried any of these but have been tempted to try Stick It Right. I hope your Phillips works O.K.. My HP 7200i (Phillips 3610) bit the dust after one year. I just bought an HP 7570i. (JVC). |
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Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Racine, WI Time: 1999-08-11 11:10:33 Comments: The other night on the radio they were playing a track from 461 Ocean Blvd, and the DJ played a clip from the 'late great' Tom Dowd. I wasn't aware that he had died... Anyone have any information about that? On a similar note, I think it's just amazing that Ahmet Ertegun still heads Atlantic (I think he is co-President or co-CEO or something...). Over 50 years! |
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Name: beetlefan36 From: AZ Time: 1999-08-11 17:42:55 Comments: Yes, it's amazing, considering he's one of the two surviving founders of the company. The not so silent partner has also departed. Jerry Wexler is still here, though. I have not heard a thing about Tom Dowd at all. Tom Moulton says he IS good friends with him, so the DJ is probably wrong. Radio DJ's are always getting things wrong. Problem is, you can't contact them because they work for servises like Westwood One. It especially irrtates me when they get a song's chart date wrong. |
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Name: Tony
Almeida From: CA Time: 1999-08-11 20:44:22 Comments: Barry, I had a DJ mono/stereo copy of the "Light My Fire" 45. It is my recollection that the edits were identical. I agree that the mono mix has great punch. "Break On Through" from the mono LP also has this presence. If you haven't heard it, try to find a mono mix of the Who's "I Can See for Miles". More "there" there. Tony |
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Name: Barry
Cashion From: Mooresville, NC Time: 1999-08-11 22:56:01 Comments: Thanks, guys, for your responses to my last post. Here's another one I thought I'd run by you... I have a few Atlantic 45s that say "CSG Processed Mono Master" on the label. What exactly was this CSG jazz? I seem to remember Atlantic coming up with some kind of new process for their stereo records around 1968 or so that required the listener to have a special type of phono needle to take advantage of it's benefits. It was a very short-lived thing though, since the MANY people (and radio stations) who played the records with their existing needles could only hear one channel of the songs! And I suppose that, on mono players and AM radio, some parts of the songs were simply cancelled out... Does anyone else remember anything about this, and is it related to that CSG business in any way? |
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Name: beetlefan Time: 1999-08-12 07:19:16 Comments: Hey everybody, I just discovered a brand new site by DCC Classics! http://www.dcccompactclassics.com/ |
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Name: Paul
Bigelow From: Austin, TX Time: 1999-08-12 07:22:41 Comments: The album "The Association's Greatest Hits" has a notation about being processed using the CSG process. Specificaly, I think is is listed as "Holco-CGG". |
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Name: Alex
Shkoditch From: Long Island, NY Time: 1999-08-12 07:57:43 Comments: To Barry Cashion: I don't remeber the CSG process, however the "Atlantic special stylus" stereo records WERE NOT discontinued. The stylus in question became the standard stereo pickup. In 1968, there were still many mono rigs out there, and AM radio stations never had a need to convert to stereo. I remember here in NY, The Doors "Hello I Love You" single was played by WABC, and you could only hear the channel with guitar! BTW, "Light My Fire" was NOT originally issued as a stereo single. The first original issue stereo single by The Doors was "Hello I Love You". |
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Name: Chip
Cristarella From: NJ Time: 1999-08-12 10:02:55 Comments: This is for those who want to know what the CSG process was. WARNING: This does get a little bit technical. "CSG" stands for "Compatible Stereo Groove", and was an attempt spearheaded by Warners in 1968/9 to address a little remembered fact concerning listening to stereo material in mono. When you "collapse" a stereo mix into mono, whatever is mixed to the center of the image increases in apparent loudness by 3db. Thus, you are altering the balance of the mix, making whatever was panned center louder than intended. The CSG process addressed this by the process of variable progressive pahse cancellation. It took the image and applied a varible L minus R signal to it, which affected the center most, and progressively less to sounds panned from center to the extreme left or right. It didn't provide a total cancellation, just enough so that center sounds cancelled by 3db when heard in mono, and less as the mix widened. Just one problem. IT SOUNDED HORRIBLE! While it sounded passable in mono, in stereo, these treated discs have indistinct imaging,and poor sloppy sounding bass. That's why Bones Howe mixed the Association's "Birthday" LP hard L/R, no middle: doing that effecively placed the CSG system out of the circuit. One consolation is that it was not a recording or mix process. Finished mixes were copied to another tape thru the system, and that tape was used for cutting the LP's.(Although I'm sure a few were mixed thru the system. Murphy's Law, you know.) I won't get into how since hardly anyone remembers the process, the wrong (read: processed) tapes have been used for CD mastering. (I have a Kinks "Village Green" Reprise CD that used the CSG tape as it's source, not the tape sent from Pye.) Holco (sp?) was the originator of the process. And would you believe MONO tapes were processed too?!?! (I've got the 45's......) |
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Name: JOHN R.
PRESTON From: ARLINGTON, TEXAS Time: 1999-08-12 15:25:51 Comments: I would like to thank all of you who e-mailed me or left message on the chat board about the availability of Beatles, Doors, and Stones cd's. All of you were a big help. I would love it if somebody would put out single versions of the hits on cd which have never been officially released, such as Ahab the Arab, We Gotta Get Out of This Place, Master Jack, and at least two dozen others. I Don't really care if the cd release is a few seconds longer, but when the release is a completely different version, I want the original version, even if it is put out in mono. What do you think, everybody. |
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Name: Jeff Time: 1999-08-12 17:44:07 Comments: I picked up Varese Sarabande's "Happy Together-The Very Best Of White Whale Records" today, and thought I'd let fellow stereo collectors know they can save their money. Of the 21 tracks, the ONLY stereo cut is "I'll Hold Out My Hand" by the Clique. I was starting to trust this label, too. Varese has produced some great oldies CD's, but this one's a coaster. I see that Bill Inglot handled mastering supervision and tape research. Guess I need not say more. |
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Name: beetlefan From: AZ Time: 1999-08-12 18:46:40 Comments: Thanks, Chip. I remember seeing CSG LP's but never heard one. John Preston, I'm with you! I like to have both cersions of songs available but I always want the hit single mix, even if it is in mono, and mono doesn't always sound bad. I still think a lot of stereo collectors don't really care too much if the stereo mix doesn't quite match the hit mono mix. I won't make too many friends here with that statement. Jeff: since one can get the stereo mix of "Happy Together" anywhere, Bill Inglot and Carey Mansfield probably thought that the mono 45 mix should be out as well. Carey Mansfield has pretty much stated that he wants his products to sound like his record collection because he. too, is a collector. |
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Name: Walt
Haake Website: Mists of Avalon From: NJ Time: 1999-08-12 18:58:12 Comments: I see there's a new series underway of Motown artists: 20th Century Masters: The Millenium Collection. Martha & the Vandellas and Smokey & the Miracles are out now. Others are following. The CDs say they are digitally remastered and stereo. Can anyone tell me if I should rush out and get these collections. I notice the track line-ups aren't bad, but far from complete. But at ten bucks a pop at my local CD store the price ain't bad. |
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Name: David R.
Modny Time: 1999-08-12 19:01:57 Comments: Another big thank you to Chip for the excellent explanation of the CSG process. I too remember seeing this designation on certain albums. My question for Chip - Was this process used across the board on all of Warner's 68-69 stereo green label pressings, or would they only encode certain releases and notate them, respectively on the cover. It would break my heart if all of Warner's stereo green label ( and possibly some gold label ) pressings from this era were treated to this garbage. |
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Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Racine, WI Time: 1999-08-12 20:07:27 Comments: Walt, re: MCA had been issuing the 20th Century Masters discs for several months now with some of their artists (The Who, Mama's and the Papa's, etc...). Now that Motown is in the Universal fold I guess they are doing the same thing for them... I don't have any, but I think the Who one anyway is mastered from the same tapes used for the recent Who reissues - I'd guess they all use previously available digital masters (most of which have been recently remastered)... |
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Name: Barry
Cashion From: Mooresville, NC Time: 1999-08-12 22:41:44 Comments: Thanks once again guys, especially to Chip and Alex, for clearing me up on the CSG process and the Atlantic "special stylus" thing. Oh, the indignities that were forced upon our music back then! Speaking of the Association's "Greatest Hits" LP, my copy is a later pressing from around the early 80s, and it, too, has that Holco-CSG designation. You'd think that, by the early 80s, Warner Bros. would've gotten hip and gone back to the undoctored master; but then again, this is the same company who also later used CSG-treated tapes for some CD reissues... DUH... I can see what Chip means about it making stereo masters sound terrible--but it really FLOORS me that they CSG'd some mono masters as well; I can't see what possible good THAT would do. Two of the CSG'd mono Atlantic 45s that I have are a later pressing of Led Zeppelin's "Good Times Bad Times" and an Atlantic Oldies Series copy of the Rascals' "I've Been Lonely Too Long"/"A Beautiful Morning"; the Led Zep single sounds o.k. to me, but the Rascals... The "Lonely Too Long" side wasn't processed and has a regular matrix number on the label, and sounds fine. The "A Beautiful Morning" side's label doesn't actually say that it was processed in so many words, but the matrix number has a CSG prefix; it sounds rather grungy and fuzzy. I guess the companies thought that this "gimmicking-up" of the music did some good; sort of the same way they used to think that rechanneling was a good thing, huh? Ha ha... |
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Name: Dan Murphy Time: 1999-08-13 00:46:10 Comments: I have a couple of questions: Does anyone know if there are plans to remaster the Four Tops catalog as was done earlier for the Temptations? I haven't been able to find much info on what's up at Motown/Polygram. Secondly, can anyone comment on CDs on the Crimson label? As far as I can tell, Crimson is a budget label from the UK. I have seen several various artists compilations on the label, but am curious as to sound quality, whether they use original versions, etc. Thanks in advance for any information. |
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Name: beetlefan Time: 1999-08-13 05:48:07 Comments: The new Motown stereo masters are now probably the best we're ever going to get in the 16-bit 44.1k CD format. I say, go for 'em! |
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Name: don Time: 1999-08-13 11:41:08 Comments: I'm surprised to read in Chip's recent message that the Reprise CD of The Kinks' "Village Green Preservaton Society" used CSG-treated tapes. Chip, could you give us more info about this? It's the first I've heard about it! Thanks. |
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Name: Jeff Time: 1999-08-13 12:09:17 Comments: The purpose of the note I posted yesterday was simply to notify stereo collectors about the lack of stereo content on the White Whale anthology. Frankly, the producer's reasoning is of no concern to me. He can make CD's that sound like his record collection or his grandmother's old 78's for all I care. What I care very much about is BEING INFORMED! Why should it be a crap shoot for the buyer? A label that has a good stereo track record puts out a CD that's 99% mono and the outside packaging says nothing one way or the other...and the minute the buyer cracks the cellophane, he can only return the CD if it's defective and exchange it for the same title. I've been collecting oldies on CD for close to 15 years. At this point, I'm often buying CD's for one or two songs...either to add the song(s) to my collection or upgrade a mono version I already own to stereo(as was the case with the White Whale disc). There is nothing wrong with getting the mono version of a song "out there," nor is there anything wrong with selling "new stereo versions recorded by the original artists" AS LONG AS THE LABEL SAYS SO. I don't have to buy DVD's wondering whether I'm getting the widescreen or standard version of a movie. I don't buy coffee not knowing whether it's regular or decaf. You get the idea. I could go on forever. Please, CD producers, a little more information and a little less arrogance. I relinquish my soapbox. Have a good weekend. |
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Name: JOHN
PRESTON From: ARLINGTON, TEXAS Time: 1999-08-13 15:49:07 Comments: I COULD NOT AGREE MORE, JEFF. THANKS FOR THE INFO ON THAT "WHITE WHALE" CD. I'LL PASS, THANKS TO YOU. ONE OF MY BIGGEST GRIPES WITH RHINO WAS THAT THEY SELDOM LET YOU KNOW IF THE STEREO MASTERS WERE USED IN THE PRODUCTION OF THE CD. |
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Name: Chip
Cristarella From: New Jersey Time: 1999-08-13 23:14:04 Comments: Thanks for all the kind words about my explanation of the CSG process. Here are the answers to questions I received. To Don: My Reprise CD of the Kinks "Village Green" CD is catalog number 6327-2, and I think I purchased it in the early 90's. (There's no date anywhere on the disc or packaging) It was a "budget" release if I remember correctly and sold for around $9.00 then. It was a surprise to me too, that it was a CSG master, because the original Reprise LP didn't mention it. But then, I never played my original because I had a Japanese pressing of the album first, and, well, you know how good those used to be! (For those too young to remember, Japanese LP's were PERFECT! No warps, clicks, pops, or ANY extraneous noise. And the lyric sheets and deluxe packaging! For EVERY title!) But listening to the CD immediately slapped it in my face. Yep, there it was, that damn phasey hollow sounding bass, poor center imaging, and overall "haze" that made it's pedigree known. Just like the Reprise LP I sampled immediately after. To David Modny: I really don't know. I DO know that NO gold label WB's LP's used it. (The label change came first.) I also have never come across a previously released title re-mastered via CSG. Most WB CSG's I have come across are from the "Warner-Bros./7 Arts" period, and are notated on the cover as CSG. (But the "Village Green" LP is an exception to keep in mind, though.) I think it was more on a by-title basis, otherwise there wouldn't be the audiophile respect many WB albums from that period have (i.e.: Van Morrison's "Moondance".) I do have a lot of "Greatest Hits" LP's using the process though. (From Warner's, A&M, Atco, and Atlantic. These seem to be the biggest users of the system.) To Barry: Don't be too hard on Warner's for the Association Greatest Hits LP/CD. Keep in mind that was a compilation so there would be no "undoctored" master for that title, unlike, say, the Beau Brummels "Bradley's Barn" LP which had to exist as a finished "pure" 2 track prior to CSG. To correct the Association CD, they would have had to reassemble the album from the original tapes. And who is going to do that for a "budget" re-issue of a title by a group that has pretty much been forgotten by the masses? Certainly not the bottom line oriented mega bureaucratic Time-Warner conglomerate. (I use the Beau Brummels as an example because I have a 1985 Edsel (UK) LP re-issue of that title that was STILL CSG processed, and credited too. That's one instance were an undoctored tape could have/should have been found and used.) That's all for now. |
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Name: Joel
Goldenberg From: Montreal Time: 1999-08-13 23:29:52 Comments: This may floor some of you. The Millennium Masters series on MCA is considerably less expensive in Canada than in the U.S., from what I've seen so far. We've only got the MCA artists so far (Neil Diamond, The Who, etc.). Ours range from $6.99-$7.99, whereas I've seen them in the States for abot $9.99 and up (at least $15 Canadian.) Quite a difference. They sound good, too. |
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Name: beetlefan Time: 1999-08-14 07:57:37 Comments: I found an original pressing of the Doors' "Light My Fire" 45 and The Poppy Family's WWYGB at a used record store today. The 45 is in mono and is speeded up by +4.2%! The time is @:49. It has three edit points during the instrumental break. The drums are louder and the vocal and keyboards are up front. It has and Elektra red, white, red and pink label with the band's logo. I also found The Poppy Family's "Which Way You Goin', Billy" 45. It's on the London blue fan label and is in mono. It runs at the same length as the stereo version found on Rhino's "Have A Nice Day", Vol 2. The drums are mixed way down. and the vocal is dry and up front. I also found a lot of late 60's CSG hit singles. |
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Name: Tom Daly Website: Skyline Digital Audio Restoration Service From: Metro Boston Time: 1999-08-14 17:04:28 Comments: I'd like to add my two cents to this Haeco-CSG discussion. Reflect please, on the fact that prior to 1967, 99% of all 45s were mono and LPs were simultaneously pressed in mono (with a 1 mil groove diameter) and stereo (with a .6 mil groove diameter, using the Westrex 45/45 groove system). Add to this fact that mono pickups (cartridges) lacked vertical compliance and would shread the stereo groove with it's inability to track vertical groove modulation. Haeco-CSG's cutting head enabled the record companies to discontinue simultaneous mono and stereo pressings of the same title, providing a stereo groove that would not be damaged by play with a mono pickup. Mono CSG singles were simply 45s that used tapes that were mixed to mono but were cut with the Haeco-CSG cutting head. Whether or not this cutting head affected a 3db reduction in a L+R mix is unknown to me, but it was the development of this cutting head that allowed mono LP pressings to be discontinued and brought forth the success of the stereo single. Unfortunately, this cutting head wasn't developed early enough, as it enables labels like Rhino to access mono master tapes that have not been used since the simultaneous issue of mono and stereo pressings of the same LPs were discontinued. The stereo tapes have much more mileage on them than the mono ones, resulting in less oxide shed and better signal-to-noise ratios because the mono tapes haven't been taken down as many generations. |
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Name: Steve
Baird From: Stinkin' hot Baton Rouge Time: 1999-08-14 17:37:00 Comments: According to CDNow, the Temptations' Millenium Collection will be released on 8/31. Thanks for bringing this new Motown series from MCA to everyone's attention. Glad I didn't buy into that mono Ultimate series last year. |
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Name: Lex Bloom From: Boston Time: 1999-08-15 10:25:18 Comments: To Marty Wekser: Lex here. I've had tremendous results with the Neato 2000 CD Labeler Kit. The software has provisions for designing labels and also jewel box inlay cards and tray liners. It also has at least 66 digital images, and I've also found it compatible with other clip-art software as well. I've had a field day recreating vintage record labels such as Decca (The Who, Brenda Lee, Ricky Nelson) and Uni (Neil Diamond, Strawberry Alarm Clock). I also have an Alps MD-5000 printer, which uses dry ink rather than ink or bubble jet. Takes longer, granted, but the results are permanent and won't smudge should they fall victim to moisture. Good luck, my friend. |
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Name: Barry
Cashion From: Mooresville, NC Time: 1999-08-15 12:30:39 Comments: Just wanted to add my thanks to Jeff for his warning about the new "Very Best Of White Whale Records" CD. One cut on there that I was especially hoping would be in stereo is "Follow Me" by Lyme & Cybelle... Another missed stereo opportunity for the majority of these cuts. In light of this info, I'm surprised that the one Clique cut is stereo; I wonder why Mr. Mono himself, Bill Inglot, didn't make it a clean sweep and do it ALL in mono, since that's the only mode that seems to matter to him anymore? Looks like Mr. Spector and Mr. Klein have some competition for the title of Mono-King, eh? |
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Name: Chip
Cristarella From: New Jersey Time: 1999-08-15 17:43:03 Comments: To Tom Daly: Sorry, Tom, I have to disagree with you. The CSG system was not a cutting head. I don't know where your information comes from, but I got mine from articles about the process from old issues of Stereo Review, Billboard, and High Fidelity magazine among others, as well as an examination of an actual "black box" encoder. It was strictly an encoding to tape process. It is also patently impossible to play ANY stereo disc properly with a non-vertically compliant mono pick up, CSG or not. You will ALWAYS shave off the vertical portion of the groove. Groove width doesn't enter into it. It is simple physics. How can any kind of groove cutting manipulation bestow a lateral tracking only device with the ability to read vertical modulations? If this were true, Haeco would have put Westrex, Neumann, and Ortofon out of business overnight. As it is, I cannot find any evidence that Haeco made cutting heads. Please tell me your source. History shows that mono LP's and 45's were abandoned because of the simultaneous marketing of mono cartridges that would track vertical modulations, the raising of wholesale prices of mono LP's to the same amount as stereo discs, and the abandonment of making mono phonographs with any pretense to quality. (The only mono phonographs made in the late sixties were of the "kiddy" type, or really cheap portables.) Retailers hated having the double inventory to begin with, and equal pricing destroyed the last remaining reason to carry mono discs. Remember the flood of 99-cent mono LP's Woolworth's got in the early Seventies? That was because the labels found themselves stuck with huge inventories of mono discs they couldn't sell to the dealers because of the price increases. They got rid of them at a loss and punished us with "dynaflex". (I'm kidding about dynaflex. I've been watching too many X-Files shows lately…) In fact, the "new" mono cartridges were no new invention, either. The ability to make vertically compliant mono cartridges always existed, but they cost more to manufacture. Besides, if you were going to replace a mono pickup to play stereo discs, it just made more sense to install a new stereo cartridge and wire it to mono. Eventually, more modern production techniques and better raw materials (and cheaper overseas labor) made the cost differential negligible, so people got "new" stereo-compatible mono pickups in their new inexpensive changers and portables. Also, note that all stereo discs from the era have blurbs that state that this disc can also be played on MODERN mono phonographs without any damage. The implication there is clear. There is no such thing as a "mono" CSG single. They were stereo cut 45's that used mono master tapes processed by the CSG system. It did have the -3dB L+R reduction and it did play havoc with the sound. (Hollow bass, phasey midrange, and overall grunge.) In fact the sound of these 45's are worse than stereo material because the CSG system affected common (L+R) sounds the most. |
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Name: Steve
Baird From: Baton Rouge Time: 1999-08-15 18:07:52 Comments: To Chip Cristarella: Actually, Chip, there were many reasons to disdain RCA's dynaflex. In the late 60's I was managing a record store while going to college, and there were a flood ob albums that came in with numerous mfg defects -- bubbles in the vinyl that caused skips and loud pops were the most common ones. This is not to say that Dynaflex itself was the culprit, but it was, invariably, RCA records with the dynaflex logo that manifested this problem. Those that didn't have the logo were just fine. The only other album that received continuous complaint about not playing properly was Rod Stewart's 1971 LP, Every Picture Tells A Story. That may be so, but of the 200 copies I ordered for its initial release, we returned nearly all of them as defects that wouldn't play properly on customers' "Hi-Fis" not even on my Dual 1219 with Grado cartridge either, for that matter. That was off your CSG subject, but I couldn't resist getting a jab in at RCA for its poorly manufactured records in the late 60's and early 70's. |
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Name: John
Preston From: Arlington , Texas Time: 1999-08-16 01:09:14 Comments: I know that this has been discussed in earlier messages, but for the record, here's my take on the "grey-area" cd's that seem to appear more and more of late. I would prefer to call them "filler" cd's. Why? Because that is what they are. "Fillers"! Let's face facts, shall we? Who, among us collectors, would have discarded the Sam Cooke and Redbird/Bluecat discs released last year, if we had "filler" cd's of these artists. Well, let's see.... NONE! We, in fact, jumped at them, like hungry wolves, which is just as it should be. I won't buy any current artists "filler cd's because it really does hurt the artists and the people who own them, but are we really going to drive the "majors" or even "minors" out of business if we buy an unauthorized release of the greatest hits of, let's say Walter Brennan or Linda Scott, recorded from somebody's vinyl records. I think not. Let's face fact's. We are a small group of people. The average cd buyer doesn't know the difference between "the original hit versions" and "newly rerecorded versions of hits". And then there's the "stereo vs mono" issue. I have seen the look of friends and loved ones when I have told them about some great "stereo" find. We get that "It's ok. We are going to get you some help" look. So I say that if we can find a reasonably good sounding cd of the hits of Eddie Hodges or Kenny Karen, then so be it. After all, they are just "fillers", until someone gets around to a release "from the masters". Then, the local oldies cd stores will have all those "fillers" for $7.98 each, and we will have what we wanted all along. Sound reasonable? Thanks for your patience. |
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Name: Bob Olivia From: Burbank, California Time: 1999-08-16 04:13:35 Comments: When is somebody going to release Connie Stevens and Joanie Summers stateside? $32.00 is outrageous for Japanese version. Bob |
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Name: Chip
Cristarella From: New Jersey Time: 1999-08-16 10:58:31 Comments: Steve, Oh! I agree. I do disdain Dynaflex. God forbid you had a turntable platter smaller then 12" in diameter in combination with an arm tracking heavier than 3 grams! Instant "bendees"! Those things were horrid! I was kidding about it being a purposely retaliatory move for abandoning mono and causing them to lose money. |
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Name: Mark
Mathews From: Long Island, NY Time: 1999-08-16 19:56:59 Comments: Greetings All, to echo Jeff's earlier post, I will once again waste my time telling any label that reads this forum; use your mono if it makes you happy, there may be some people out there who even like it, but you have NO excuse for not saying so on the OUTSIDE of the package. It's been said here again and again. I've read every excuse why someone prefered to use the use the mono mixes instead os stereo, but I've never read one decent exuse for not putting in writing on the outside. Just tell us whats in there guys. Are you afraid some of us might not buy it if says MONO? What does that tell you? Particularly on a Rhino Cd, they know what there using from the get-go and there's no reason not to inform the consumer. Maybe in the next millenium these guys will get the message. It's just a shame a few people have to get burned so they can nicely warn the rest of us here. Caveat Emptor. Thank You. -MM |
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Name: beetlefan Time: 1999-08-16 20:52:21 Comments: Mark, In defense of Rhino, CD jackets are produced at the same time or before the mastering process. There is no way that A&R can know the mono/stereo content going into a project. That's one reason the info does not apear on the label or jacket. Sometimes, the engineer doesn't know for certain which tape he can use. These projects are planned way in advance but things do happen. And I don't mind MONO if it's the only way to get the correct mix/edit. So, I guess I'm one of those people. |
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Name: Dave
Daugherty From: Dublin, Ohio Time: 1999-08-17 09:37:12 Comments: Regarding the White Whale disc....this really seems to be a classic case of "Is the glass half full, or half empty?" Everybody is focusing on the stereo content so much, that they are overlooking everything else. I just got the disc, and for my money, the glass is half full. I like stereo as much as the next guy, but I like getting songs I don't already have, or being able to replace tracks that are in miserable condition even better! Sure I'd like these tracks to be in stereo, but I suspect that many of them were never mixed to stereo when recorded. Let's not forget that White Whale was a SINGLES label. That was their bread and butter. Many of these artists never even recorded an album. In many cases, the mono mix is it. The label's most successful act, The Turtles, certainly had albums, but even they have said that the mono mixes of their songs are clearly superior. Pat Downey lists the stereo mix of "Happy Together" on 23 different discs, and there's not one listing of the mono mix. How many more stereo "Happy Together's" do we need? To my ear, it's refreshing to hear that song in mono since the stereo mix is so hissy and thin. I own many of the songs on the White Whale discs as mono 45's, and I'm very happy to have nice clean clear copies of those songs. Yes, the songs are not all stereo, and may not even be available in stereo, but the sound and the packaging are excellent, and much better than what I have now, so in my opinion, a tip of the hat to Cary Mansfield and Varese for putting together a really good representation of a unique singles label. |
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Name: John
D. From: PA Time: 1999-08-17 12:25:35 Comments: On the issue of “filler” CDs, I have actually spoken by telephone with one person who produces and markets nationally a small line of Oldies CDs regarding items on my want list. I’ve conversed with another by e-mail about the seemingly endless duplication of the same old songs re-released over and over again. The first person exclaimed that no one would be interested in one of the songs (Turvy by Cozy Cole) on my want list because it peaked only at number 36. Yet, there are 9 songs out of a total of 55 on the 3 CDs I have from his label that peaked lower than 36. The second producer said that he liked his job and wanted to keep it, and that he might be fired if he produced CDs that didn’t sell. I took this to mean that the many collectors out there who already have at least 2 copies of Cozy Cole’s Topsy would rather have another copy of it than a single copy of Turvy. There has been talk of late about the first 2 MCA releases in the Millennium series of Motown artists. Like so many others who come here for information, I too will be buying them with the hope that these will provide better sound, although I already own at least one other copy of every song on both these Miracles and Vandellas CDs. I am just as guilty as everyone else, I suppose, at enabling the industry to take advantage of me. I would like to see it stop. Since there are so few songs on these two Millennium series CDs, they certainly cannot replace earlier issues as they are very incomplete. Which brings me to issue #2, the cost of adding duplicates to our collections, or, how many copies of “My Boyfriend’s Back” do you need in your collection anyway? There seems to be almost unanimous praise out there for the talents of Steve Hoffman at DCC. Of course, very little of Mr. Hoffman’s time is spent catering to us; instead he is hard at work producing gold reissues of ‘70s albums for the audiophile market where the cost of the software is not at issue. Nor are there scores of CDs containing the same material against which DCC has to compete. I am not privy to DCC’s contractual procedures, but I doubt that they worry about the much-discussed 10,000 copy minimum for a license. And just like everyone else, I would prefer to pay as little for the music as I possibly can; but also like many others, I would be happy to pay more for a quality product IF there were something unique enough about that product to warrant the additional cost. I am not suggesting that I would pay DCC the kind of prices that it routinely gets for its gold CDs: that would merely give everyone else in the business an excuse to raise their prices. But I am saying that I would be happy to pay the prices that we normally expect to pay for an Ace import for every CD I bought if they reduced substantially the list of the many as-yet-to be-unavailable-on-CD titles. I was happy to pay CCM $24 (including shipping) for Ace’s LAND OF 1000 DANCES last spring because we FINALLY got Al Brown’s “The Madison” on a quality CD -- not, yet, another copy (I have 5) of Ray Bryant’s “The Madison Time.” (And, Mr. Producers, Brown’s peaked at 23; Bryant’s at 30... hmmm.) Also, beetlefan is right, I agree with him that I would rather have the original mono mix than nothing original at all. On the “where are they now” front, I’ve reduced my want list to the five I consider the most inexplicable absences of oldies on CD -- and the ones I want the most. 1. The Marketts’ “Batman Theme.” Peaking higher than any other version of the song (17), it is missing from Sundazed’s Greatest Hits CD, and appears to be unavailable on any VA compilation as well; yet Neil Hefti’s version (peaking at 35) is available everywhere. 2. Helmut Zacharias’ 1956 “When the White Lilacs Bloom Again” yes it’s schmaltz, and yes, Varese Sarabande gave us Billy Vaughn’s version that peaked almost as high (18 vs. 12), but it’s not the same. 3. Ivo Robic’s “Morgen” which peaked at 13 in 1959. 4. Cozy Cole’s “Turvy” has already been mentioned. 5. The Daddy-O’s “Got A Match” peaked at 39 in ‘59. This one would have been a great addition to any VA compilation from the majors -- even Rhino. If any of these are available on any commercially available CD in the USA, please let me know: I don’t buy bootlegs. |
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Name: beetlefan Time: 1999-08-17 14:06:38 Comments: AMEN, Dave! |
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Name: Ken
Garland From: la Time: 1999-08-17 17:34:41 Comments: Maybe i missed read the entry, but i have Batman Theme by the Marketts on More Party Classics 9-27610-2 Warner Special Products. I think i got it around 1987. |
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Name: Bradley
Olson Website: Bradley Olson--A Person With Autism From: Bemidji, Minnesota Time: 1999-08-17 17:44:41 Comments: Ken, you read the post correctly about the Marketts version of "Batman Theme." |
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Name: Marty Blaise Website: The Blaise Page From: Houston, Texas Time: 1999-08-17 17:56:09 Comments: I'm glad to see the comments about the lower charting recordings! Those are the ones you never hear played on the radio. The only way I guess you can hear them is to collect them. Thanks to several folks on the BSN chat board, I've heard a few tracks that I had never heard before. Ok, now that we've discovered a lot of stereo for the top hits, let's work on those tracks that made it on the charts for two weeks or so. I've never heard that Daddy-O's instrumental, but it sounds intriguing. Guess it's going to take persuasion from stereo collectors to get those harder to find tracks, even if it's only one or two per CD. Nothing is ever easy, you know. |
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Name: Dave Clark From: Ottawa Time: 1999-08-17 18:04:12 Comments: To follow up with the Doors and those extra edits in the single of LMF (which I'd love to hear BTW), the stereo 45 of Touch Me, has a mix that kicks so much better than the LP one we're all used to - I wonder if we'll ever get to hear it (my copy was broken long ago, so I can only remember it!). Do any you have it? |
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Name: Steve
Baird From: Baton Rouge Time: 1999-08-17 19:48:21 Comments: More Party Classics is out of print. John D. is right: there is no currently available CD published in the USA that has the song on it. Why it wasn't put on the Sundazed CD is a mystery to me too. |
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Name: Bob Olivia From: Burbank, California Time: 1999-08-17 19:49:35 Comments: When is somebody going to release the best of Connie Stevens and Joannie Somers domestically. $32.00 is a little drastic for the Japanese CD. Bob. |
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Name: Lex Bloom From: Boston Time: 1999-08-17 20:09:46 Comments: To Bob Olivia: RE: Connie Stevens - Good question. If WB were absolutely serious about anthologizing Connie, one suggestion I have is, in addition to her hit "Sixteen Reasons", to add several tunes she performed as Cricket Blake on the TV show "Hawaiian Eye". In a 1962 episode, titled "Total Eclipse", which also starred a young Jack Nicholson, she did a charming rendition of "Dancing In The Dark" at the Shell Bar of the Hilton Hawaiian Village. Anyway, yes, Connie is due for CD anthologizing, and yes, in stereo, of course. |
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Name: Walt
Haake From: Princeton, NJ Time: 1999-08-17 20:31:38 Comments: Is there an easy-to-find STEREO version of Pictures of Matchstick Men by Status Quo out there? How about Ice In The Sun by the same group. Thanks folks. |
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Name: Paul Carr Time: 1999-08-18 10:45:38 Comments: Does anyone know where to find the mono single edit of "I Love You" by People. There are plenty of CDs with the heavily reverbed stereo version, but I can't seem to find the mono version. The mono mix is much drier and punchier. I created a mono mix for myself by summing a rechanneled (from mono) version from K-Tel's Battle Of The Bands Vol. 4, but I would still like to find a clean mono version. |
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Name: Marty Blaise Website: From: Houston, Texas Time: 1999-08-18 17:43:30 Comments: Read in the paper today that the movie Yellow Submarine is being released on videocassette and DVD, with the soundtrack remixed in Dolby Surround Sound. It is supposed to include the Hey Bulldog footage that got axed from the original for some reason (anyone know why?). I'm curious to see if Only A Northern Song will be mixed into true stereo or will it be surround sound mono? What does surround sound mono sound like? Hopefull the soundtrack will not be mixed into all mono. Maybe someone with a stereo VCR can check this one out. |
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Name: Mike
Cloud Website: From: Houston, TX Time: 1999-08-18 20:09:51 Comments: Marty, you must have read that article in the Houston Chronicle. "Yellow Submarine" has been restored with the "Hey Bulldog" footage. The entire soundtrack has been re-mixed to 5.1 surround. Even the Beatle songs have been remixed to 5.1! "Only a Northern Song" will be in true stereo. The engineers went back to the original multi's before George Martin mixed the four basic tracks down to one track (leaving three new tracks to record on). It's like being remixed from a seven track recorder. I'm not sure if the CD will be 5.1 or just remixed two channel. |
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Name: Jesus Cambre
Ribera From: San Juan, PR Time: 1999-08-19 06:28:21 Comments: Hi all. The new Yellow Submarine CD will be 2 channels mixed down from the 5 (Or the new multitracks, see below) cus CD's are stereo ;) (Unless they release a 5 channel DTS CD) Well, they could remix to stereo monitoring through a matrix surround decoder to do a "Dolby Surround" kind of mix but that's not the same thing, while the DVD will be 5 channel DISCRETE surround and I think it'll have the extra feature of an Audio only track. Mike is right, what they've done is similar to what they did for the Pet Sounds Stereo, of synching all the earlier generation multitracks to the last 4 track before the mono or stereo mixdowns thereby generating a 7-10 channel multitrack and remixing that to 5 channel surround. So now we'll have MONO, STEREO, 5 CHANNEL SURROUND, and REMIX FROM 5 TO STEREO versions of songs to chase! They can do a 5 channel SURROUND mix now with Pet Sounds and any other multitrack tape they have so we may have soon the back to mono movement on one side and a foward on to surround on the other. (While at the same time, for example, the original 60's stereo mixes of Strawberry Fields Forever and the Help! and Rubber Soul albums (in addition to the first 4) aren't available on CD. (Those "stereo CD's" are REMIXED stereo) (I don't mind remixes to better sound. I just want the original stereo and mono to be available too ;) Here's a tentative song list (with the versions) that i found on the net for the new CD. (My excuses to the place i got it cus i lost the URL :( 01-HEY BULLDOG (version 1 - remix) 02-YELLOW SUBMARINE (remix) 03-NOWHERE MAN (remix) 04-ELEANOR RIGBY (remix) 05-LOVE YOU TO (remix) 06-ALL TOGETHER NOW (version 1 - remix) 07-LUCY IN THE SKY WITH DIAMONDS (remix) 08-THINK FOR YOURSELF (tracking session excerpt) 09-SGT. PEPPER'S LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND/WITH A LITTLE HELP FROM MY FRIENDS (remix) 10-BABY, YOU'RE A RICH MAN (remix) 11-ONLY A NORTHERN SONG (remix) 12-ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE (remix) 13-WHEN I'M SIXTY-FOUR (remix) 14-HEY BULLDOG (version 2 remix) 15-IT'S ALL TOO MUCH (long version remix) 16-Dialogue/ALL TOGETHER NOW (version 2 - remix) Tentative line-up for "Yellow Submarine Song Tracks" Single: 01-HEY BULLDOG ("Beatle talk" mix) 02-YELLOW SUBMARINE (mono mix) 03-SGT. PEPPER'S LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND/ WITH A LITTLE HELP FROM MY FRIENDS (mono mix) 04-IT'S ALL TOO MUCH (short version - remix) (If they release the single I'll be getting it for the MONO Sgt. Pepper mainly ;) |
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Name: beetlefan Time: 1999-08-19 12:33:41 Comments: To Jesus, "Strawberry Fields Forever" was not mixed to stereo until 1970 when Capitol Records insisted he do so. |
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Name: Chip
Cristarella From: New Jersey Time: 1999-08-19 13:07:42 Comments: Sorry, Beetlefan, you're wrong too. "Strawberry Fields" and "Hello Goodbye" were mixed to stereo in 1967 and Capitol obtained these mixes for the "Magical Mystery Tour" LP. Remember, "Strawberry Fields" was supposed to be on "Sgt. Pepper", so it wasn't unusual that a stereo mix was made. "Penny Lane" was supposed to be on "Pepper" too, but I think the decision to release the two songs as a single occured before a stereo mix was attempted. No need to mix a single to stereo. you know ;) This 1967 stereo mix of "Strawberry Fields" was also used on the American 1967 - 1970 "Blue Album" compilation. "Strawberry Fields" was remixed (in stereo) in the very early Seventies for the German release of the "MMT" LP. "Penny Lane" and "Baby You're A Rich Man" also got their first stereo mixes at this time specifically for the German LP. Subsquently, the early Seventies stereo mix has become the worldwide "standard" while the "original" stereo mix from 1967 (only used in America, as far as I know) has become a "lost" mix. |
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Name: Jesus Cambre Website: From: San Juan, PR Time: 1999-08-19 13:31:28 Comments: Beetlefan: Strawberry was mixed in stereo in 29 Dec 1966 matching the mono mix, and was released the next year (in stereo) in the US LP of Magical Mystery Tour. It's in true stereo. On Oct 71 a new stereo mix was made on AIR studios (along the first time stereo mixes of Penny Lane and Baby You're A Richman) for the German issue of MMT. I call it the "audiophile" mix cus it sounds very clean and acoustic, but it's not as trippy (The 60's stereo sounds much more like the mono single) When MMT was finally released in Lp form in the UK in 1976 it also used the 60's stereo, while the cassette used the 70's stereo. The Blue 1967-1970 Lp's and the MFSL Lp's had the 60's stereo. (Apparently the MFSL cassette used the "German" master and had the 70's stereo, but I haven't personally listened to it) The CD's only have the 70's remix. That's why I mentioned Strawberry (And Help! and Rubber Soul. Those two CD's are remixed versions done in '87). Tho they sound good, they aren't the same mixes as the originals. I just want the originals on CD :) (The new stereo tracks from albums 2, 3 and 4 on the The Beatles 1962-66 are also remixed, i also would like those first 4 stereo albums in official stereo CD release of course) |
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Name: John
Preston From: Arlington, Texas Time: 1999-08-19 18:21:19 Comments: I noticed that Midnight Records is listed under the recommended mail order sources. A little warning! I don't know how they are of late, but I had a lot of trouble with this company several years ago. After sending me the wrong Fortunes cd and I returned it, I never received the correct one or a refund. Also, after waiting for months for cd's that I ordered, I finally just cancelled the order and bought them from another source. Again, if you have had good luck with them, then maybe they have changed their ways. More power to them. But I felt that a warning was in order. By the way, I just bought the cd "20th Century Masters:The Best of Martha Reeves & the Vandellas, The Millennium Collection" Good Grief! These titles are getting out of hand. First, the up side: This is the best sounding Martha & Vandellas cd yet, and the liner notes would indicate that it contains the "long lost" resurrected from the vault stereo single version of "Jimmy Mack". I haven't had a chance to compare it to the single, yet, but it's two-track. On the down side, there are only eleven songs on this disc. Let's be serious, here. This group had 12 Top 40 (HOT 100) hits. The least we could expect would be all the Top 40 hits, but no! Still, if the care that was taken on the sonics of this cd is done on all the cd's in this series, I would have to recommend them. For what it's worth. |
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Name: beetlefan Time: 1999-08-20 00:31:15 Comments: Jesus and Chip, Sorry, I just checked my "Beatles Recording Sessions" book and there it is, Dec. 29, 1999. My mistake. |
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Name: John D Time: 1999-08-20 12:21:00 Comments: One man's meat... With apologies to John P, I bought both of the 2 new Motown releases in the Millennium series, and, frankly, I thought both were terrible sounding. While they may not be the worst sources for the songs on CD, I don’t think that their “improvements” warrant anything more than a warning to all that the CDs just don’t offer much to collectors except “Jimmy Mack.” Granted, the early 90’s MR&V release (20299-2) was all mono, but as John said, with only 11 songs on it, this one can hardly be thought of as comprehensive. The sound is very bright and harsh on both, and hissy on the older songs. I think they proove that eq-ing the highest frequencies can benefit some older recordings. Also, despite the little sticker exclaiming stereo, “Shop Around” still sounds like mono to me. As far as the Miracles go, there is no reason for collectors to buy this one since everything else except the long version of “Love Machine” was available in stereo on the 2-CD anthology. The next 2 releases (Marvin Gaye & The Temptations) in the series are supposed to be out on August 31. I think I’ll wait for some positive feedback from others before I shell out hard earned cash for them. |
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Name: Randy Price Website: Referred by: NewsGroups From: New York Time: 1999-08-20 13:27:46 Comments: I also was disappointed with the sound quality overall on the Martha Reeves & The Vandellas Millennium Collection CD. This is true for only some of the tracks: in general, the earlier ones tend to be thin and trebly, while the later ones are much better. As for "Jimmy Mack," listening on headphones, it sounds to me like there is separation between the center and left of the stereo image, so it's not 2-track--it just sounds that way because all the vocals are buried in the right channel. As for the forthcoming Temptations entry in this series, I suspect that if you already have the remastered Greatest Hits 1 & 2, you'll have no need for the new one (the hits CDs are also budget-priced). |
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Name: Barry
Cashion From: Mooresville, NC Time: 1999-08-20 17:07:43 Comments: After reading Mr. Preston's comment on Midnight Records, I thought I would chip in one of my own experiences with them too... I've actually ordered from them several times and have gotten pretty good service overall, and their prices, especially for imports, aren't bad at all. But I, too, hit a snag with them once, several months ago. I had ordered three CDs, including the EMI "Psychedelia At Abbey Road 1965-69" disc, which I hadn't seen a track listing for at the time and which I hoped would contain "Arnold Layne" by Pink Floyd. That CD was out of stock, and I had elected on the order form to have them hold the order until all items were in. I got an email saying that, other than the Psychedelia CD, the rest of the order was ready to go. In the meantime, I found out that "A.L." wasn't on the disc, so I called them and told them to forget about that one and just send the rest of the order. Weeks went by... nothing. I called again and explained the situation, and the woman I spoke to assured me she would get on it right away and ship the order. A few more weeks went by, and then I got an email from them saying "Thanks for your patience, your back-ordered item will arrive shortly"! That did it... I replied with a slightly less-than-polite email of my own which reiterated the whole sordid mess, and about a week and a half later, I finally received the order. (Thank Heaven they DIDN'T goof and send the Psychedelia disc anyway!) And to add insult to injury, when I got my bank statement for that period I discovered that they had charged the order to my credit card (check card) as soon as it was received; I was under the impression that orders weren't to be charged until they were shipped... AARRGGHH!! I had ordered on New Years' Eve, and I guess they wanted to count it to make sales for the year look as good as possible on their books... I suppose that with the large volume of orders they receive, mistakes are inevitable, and it was partially my own fault for changing the order in mid-stream, but it WAS irritating...so much so that I haven't ordered from them since. Just thought I'd share that little experience. |
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Name: beetlefan Time: 1999-08-20 17:32:08 Comments: The new Motown Millenium series is the reason I'm sticking with the early nineties mono collections and box sets. I also have the latest stereo remasters of the Temptations. If the stereo "Jimmy Mack" doesn't match the mono mix, why bother? |
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Name: Mike
Callahan Website: Both Sides Now Publications Referred by: I live here. From: Fairfax Station, VA Time: 1999-08-20 21:35:56 Comments: Hi all, I presume most have figured out that when you get an error message when trying to post to the board, it actually does post your message. It lies. (begin rant) In terms of bad experiences with mail-order record dealers, how about this? In JANUARY, I ordered the 4-CD set by Peter Paul & Mary from Reader's Digest, primarily because it had "The Wedding Song" on it. They took my order, then told me to expect the CD in TEN WEEKS!!! Ten weeks? what kind of service is that? Well, I found out. Ten weeks came and went. Meanwhile, they had billed my card and I had paid them and had nothing. The 60 days for disputing charges with my credit card passed. Nothing. Finally, in May, I called to ask where the thing was. The "customer service" clerk told me they had shipped it. I said I didn't receive it. They asked for my address and told me I couldn't possibly live in Fairfax Station, since their computer "corrected" my address to "Fairfax, VA." I noted that if they sent it to Fairfax, which is a completely different city, I would NEVER get it. She said she'd have to talk to her supervisor about whether they could send it to me in Fairfax Station. I also noted to her that it had been four months since they took my money, and now the CD was on sale for $15 less. She said she'd refund the difference and send the CD within 2 weeks, provided, of course, that her supervisor would let her. Of course, you just know what happened. Four weeks went by, and nothing. No CD, no refund, no explanation. I called again. Another "customer service" rep put me on hold, but didn't push the mute button on her phone. I listened for several minutes while she talked to the woman at the next desk about what they were having for breakfast and who they were going out with, etc. Finally, she came back on the line. I explained the problem. She told me the other "customer service" clerk I had talked to didn't know what she was doing, because she had my zip code entered wrong. At this point, I was really disgusted. I asked for her to cancel the order. She said okay, and that I'd get a refund within two weeks. I wrote a letter to their "customer service" department in New York. Two weeks came and went. After three weeks, I called back to find out the status of the order. The new "customer service" clerk said she didn't have a clue. After I related that it seemed to me that the whole company "didn't have a clue," she said "wait a minute." After a few seconds, she came back on the line and said that they had sent me "something" about ten days earlier, but she didn't know what. About a week later, the CD showed up. With the kind of pathetic service I had been shown, I didn't dare send it back because I'm 100% certain I'd never get my money back! Reader's Digest has been just about the worst company I have ever dealt with concerning mail order. I would strongly advise against anyone ever dealing with them. They are totally incompetent, one and all, from what I can see, and they lie to you. Not a good combination. I don't usually trash people on the chat board, but they still haven't even given me the courtesy of answering my letter, much less doing anything correctly. And a more incompetent staff of "customer service" reps I have never seen! (end rant) |
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Name: John
Preston From: Arlington, Texas Time: 1999-08-21 02:24:21 Comments: I could not agree with you more, Marty. None of us are going to live forever. And as you said, we may go deaf one of these days. We are the first group of humans to be tested on loud rock and roll music. After 40 years of great music, I can still hear. Hallelujah! Michael, I didn't have any trouble with Reader's Digest, when I ordered the Bobby Vinton box set, several years ago. Must have gotten lucky. Does anyone know where I might find the American hit versions of "Leaning On a Lamp Post" by Herman's Hermits and "We Gotta Get Out Of This Place" by the Animals? Collector's Choice has been raving about a new import of the Animals which is supposed to have all their early hits on it. Anyone know about it? Sorry some of you didn't agree with my assessment of the Martha and Vandellas cd. I guess we don't always agree on what sounds great, do we? The only Martha and Vandellas cd that I had was the early first release, so that should tell you something. |
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Name: Charlie From: Perrrysburg Ohio Time: 1999-08-21 05:40:09 Comments: Can anyone supply any additional information on Mr Maestro CDs? Everything I have heard is in bits and pieces. How many discs are there? What are some of the highlights of each ? The one Marty described sounds super. Also does the See For Miles Freddy Cannon release have the song "June July And August" ? This was a B side track. Charlie |
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Name: curt
lundgren Website: Hey! my page has been redone. From: twin cities, MN. Time: 1999-08-21 07:38:30 Comments: BMG has reactivated Buddah, with releases from Melanie (a greatest package, 19 tracks), Glenn Miller (live broadcast recordings, ca 1938-39), a reissue of "Safe As Milk"/Capt. Beefheart (+7 bonus) and a wonderful reissue of "Music From Peter Gunn" by Mancini (+4). Apparently, the Razor & Tie relationship (BMG distributes) with Mike Ragogna is deepening....he's Producer on all. Only just starting with the Mancini disc on the 'puter's speakers, but it's GREAT! Very quiet, and I don't see any 20-bit or other high performance digital information blurb. (I've always thought RCA material from its Hollywood studios in the late 50s-early 60s sounded good.) Soundtrack fans, GO for it. And Mike.....thanks! We look forward to more. |
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Name: Mike
Cloud Website: From: Houston, TX Time: 1999-08-21 10:49:55 Comments: Jesus, the new Collector's Choice catalog says that the new "Yellow Submarine" CD will be in 5.1 surround. It could be a mistake. But I've seen 5.1 DTS CD's by the Moody Blues and Paul McCartney. They sold for $25 at Fry Electronics in Dallas, TX. Mike |
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Name: Alex
Shkoditzh From: Long Island, NY Time: 1999-08-21 12:26:53 Comments: Just throwing in my 2 cents on the ongoing debate concerning single edits on compilations. Regular readers of this board seem unanimous in their wish for collections state the stereo/mono content on the packaging. I would also like single edits to be identified. While several single edits are unique and are hard to duplicate (Steppenwolfs “Magic Carpet Ride” and BST’s “Spinning Wheel” come to mind), others seem to destroy the flow of the song (The Who’s “Won’t Get Fooled Again”, Cream’s “White Room”). The Who have several compilations which contain WGFA, and they identify whether the single edit or full length version was used on the package. While some “full length” versions are redundant (Tommy James “Crimson and Clover”) , placing the single edit of Iron Butterfly’s “In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida” on a collection seems worthless. It may be a cheesy psychedelic relic, but the sheer LENGTH of the damn thing is it’s main selling point. |
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Name: Christopher
Kissel From: Long Island, NY Time: 1999-08-21 15:29:43 Comments: Don't bother buying the Martha Reeves & The Vandellas "Millennium Collection" to get "Jimmy Mack" in stereo... it is the re-recording! It is a 3 track, not a 2 track and doesn't even match the tempo of the hit release. Maybe someday we'll see this song in stereo but today isn't the day! |
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Name: Lex Bloom From: Boston Time: 1999-08-21 20:11:42 Comments: Friends and fellow stereologists, try this one. After another hard work week complete with the wear and tear, I was driving home, and while surfing through the radio stations for something good to listen to, I came across an FM station gracing the airwaves with Stevie Wonder's "Fingertips" in TRUE STEREO!!! THE ENTIRE SONG UNEDITED!!! FANTASTIC SOUND!!! I tried to contact the station that played it, but no answer. Okay folks, somebody out there's got it, or at least knows where it is. Mr. Callahan? Mr. Natchez? Jesus? beetlefan? Something/Anything? |
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Name: David R.
Modny Time: 1999-08-21 23:03:33 Comments: Hi group - I need some advice. Where is the best CD source for the overdubbed, Ernie Freeman scored, stereo version of "Five O' Clock World" ( not the new twin-track mix ). I'd like to get in in the best quality possible, hopefully from something still in print?? Any better source than the "Good Morning Vietnam" CD, which I haven't personally heard...but have been told is not the greatest quality. ???? TIA - Dave. |
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Name: David Clark From: Ottawa Time: 1999-08-22 09:04:42 Comments: to Lex Bloom. That IS interesting. "Fingertips" Pt. 1 and Pt. 2 ONLY up to the point where the song kinda finishes and Stevie starts to play harmonica and a band member asks (twice) "what key?", was out on vinyl in the 70s on the Cooley High LP soundtrack on Motown. I'd be interested to know if the song you heard DID go thru to the end in true stereo. If so, we've got something new to look for! |
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Name: Steve
Baird Time: 1999-08-22 12:16:20 Comments: Does anybody out there know anything about the AEI label? I was just browsing through CDNow, and stumbled accross this label while doing a Santo & Johnny search. I saw a rather high priced result from AEI called *The Best of the Rest* which sounded interesting. So, thanks to CDNow's superior search engine, I click on the link to the label at the bottom of the listing, and lo and behold, here were scads of oldies CDs listed! Then I checked the content of the CDs randomly, and found them to contain MANY MANY MANY oldies songs that I have never seen available anywhere else! They are expensive, but, in fairnaess, the average CD had about 30 tracks on it. Does anyone have any experience with this label? Are the tracks original or remakes? One of them boasted a copy of the Ramrods' "Ghost Riders in the Sky" in Stereo, so I am suspicious of this. Any comments? |
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Name: beetlefan Time: 1999-08-22 14:05:47 Comments: Motown is starting a new series that concentrates on rareities and unreleased. Maybe this Little Stevie Wonder track will show up. They're also putting out a Temptations compilation with a new stereo mix of "Ain't Too Proud To Beg" with the strings mixed up. The hit single stereo and mono mixes have them mixed down. I got this info from the new issue of ICE. I don't remember what else it said because the issue is not with me at the moment. |
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Name: Joe
Reynolds From: Los Angeles Time: 1999-08-22 17:21:58 Comments: Just a word of warning regarding the new James Brown "Millenium" CD - 100% mono, even the stuff found elsewhere in stereo, and only average sound. If you already own these tracks (only 11 of them), don't waste your money. Nice picture of JB on the cover, though. |
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Name: beetlefan Time: 1999-08-22 19:04:09 Comments: These Milennium CD's were made for the casual listener who may just want a few of an artist's big hits. They're also a product designed to bring in more money. The stereo collector is not their intended target. So, relax, and skip them if you must. |
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Name: Groovin
Garrett From: Michigan Time: 1999-08-22 22:31:27 Comments: I have the complete version of "Fingertips" complete in true stereo. It appears on a 12-CD collection I helped put together a few years back called "Michigan Music". It was mastered from vinyl, but it is a very clean source and the song is completely in true stereo, like many of the songs on the set (many VERY rare to find in true stereo, i.e. "(Just Like) Romeo and Juliet" by the Reflections, two years before Varese "found" the "multi-track". This had been mixed to stereo since its release in 1966!) Questions, E-mail me. |
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Name: Don Duffey From: Buffalo Time: 1999-08-22 22:57:04 Comments: To Charlie,I have 5 of the Mr.Maestro CDs here are some of the highlights of each...Mr.Maestro..1003 "To A Soldier Boy"*Tassles & "Each Night"*Rochelle & Candles are stereo,though the Tassles tune is a real bizzare mix,vocals & inst.are left/center with lots of echo right.then the spoken bridge (by the soldier)comes in far right.I thought the engineer just panned over to make it sound stero but you can still hear surface(or tape)noise on the left channelMr.M..1004 has"Nag*Halos/"Because Of You*The Dreamers/"Smoke Gets In Your Eyes*Richard Barrett/"I've Had It*Bell-Notes/"All That Glitters Isn't Gold*Lou Christie/"Smokey Places*Corsairs/"Morse Code Of Love*Capris/"Mister Lonely*Videls/"Barbara*Temptations are all stereo..MrM.1005 Has.."Memories*Decoys/"I'm In Love Again*Little Richard/"Sugaree*Hank Ballard/"Be My Boy"*Paris Sisters/"Nobody But You"*Dee Clark/"Teardrop"*Santo & Johnny/"Boom Boom"*John Lee Hooker are stereo...MrM..1006 has"You Got What It Takes"*Marv Johnson/"Sixteen Reasons"*Connie Stevens are stereo Mr.M..1007 Has "Souvenirs Of Summertime"*Rays/"This Is My Story"*Turbans/"You Talk Too Much"*Frankie Ford/"Adios"*Five Discs are stereo I also just picked up "Vintage Instrumentals" Vol.6 on Stardust lots of stereo here incl...Hawaiian War Chant/B.Vaughn...(Theme)My Three Sons/Bob Moore...White Rose Of Athens/David Carroll..Taste Of Honey/Martin Denny..Comin'In The Back Door/Baja Marimba Band...Hungry For Love/San Reno Golden Strings...Phoenix Love Theme/Brass Ring...I Was Kaiser Bill's Batman/Whistlin'Jack Smith...Soul Coaxing/Raymond LeFevre......the rest are common stereo finds.....one last shot..Whats the difference between buying "Gray Area"CDs and used records?no royalties are paid on "used records",most "Gray"CDs are made from records,and no where on those old vinyl discs from the 50'& 60's does it say its illegal to reproduce them. |
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Name: Alex
Shkoditch From: Long Island, NY Time: 1999-08-23 15:22:09 Comments: Just heard what I believe is the "recently discovered", or is that "rarely heard", stereo mix of "Thank You (Falletenme Be Mice Elf Again)" on a cheap radio in the office (hence the reason for saying "I believe"). The horn section seems to be substantially different from the mono mix. A "trilling trumpet" is heard mixed way to the front compared to the single. In other places the horn section plays licks that I've never heard at all. This could be the combination of a different balance in the mixing of the horn section and faders being brought up at different points during mixdown. I think, however, that the entire horn track is different from the single. Can anyone who has both give me clearer picture? Can it be that the horns were overdubbed on to a mono mixdown master (ala the Shakespeare broadcast on "I Am the Walrus), resulting in the "true stereo" version only appearing on the Quadraphonic "Greatest Hits" with a re-recorded horn track? |
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Name: beetlefan Time: 1999-08-23 16:34:21 Comments: Knowing Sylvester Stewart (Sly), those different horns are probably part of the original multitrack recording. I recall, in the liner notes for the Rock Artifacts, Vol. 1 (?), Bob Irwin said that they found all sorts of things on the "Hot Fun In The Summertime" multi-tracks when they did a stereo mix of it. Anyway, I think the version you're referring to is on copy Time-Life's "Sounds Of The Seventies, 1970", remastered by your buddy, Bill Inglot(no offense, Bill). And, Legacy, where is that damned Sly & The Family Stone box with all of those cool new stereo mixes? Did Allen Klein get control of their material too? |
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Name: Ken
garland From: Los angeles Time: 1999-08-23 19:22:27 Comments: Groovin Garrett, i have vol 1 i got it directly from Tom Ryan. Could you post or point me to the discography for the collection?One song i got from Tom on casette was Casonova Brown by the Young Sisters. I wonder if it was on any of the Cd's? Thanks for any input you can provide. I'm not sure if the Animals WE Gotta Get Out of This Place on The Complete Animals is the version you want or not. |
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Name: Mike
Arcidiacono From: USA Time: 1999-08-23 20:30:57 Comments: Re: Sony Music and Clark Enslin Remember a few years ago, when producer Clark Enslin found all those lost tapes from Columbia Records in a storage room in Nashville? Has anybody heard anything since? I'd be curious to know what, if anything , has been released from those tapes. Anybody see anything on the 'net? Mikey |
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Name: Chris Nagel Time: 1999-08-23 20:36:49 Comments: To Curt Lundgren: I think the new Buddha (BMG has corrected the spelling) Peter Gunn CD sounds terrible. It has hissy sound, droupouts galore, early fades at the end of the songs. If you compare the songs that are on the Martini's with Mancini comp CD and the Mancini box set (both handled by the excellent re-issue producer, Paul Williams) and you'll find the latter two CDs sound much better. I have noticed, howver, that the Buddha big band reissues are being re-mastered by Steve Hoffman and these sound much better. |
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Name: Randy Price Website: Referred by: NewsGroups From: New York Time: 1999-08-24 12:28:04 Comments: Once again: The U.S. single version of "We Gotta Get Out Of This Place" is not on *any* legit CD, and is not likely to ever be, since it's EMI's contention that that version was sent over to MGM in error back in '65. The "correct" version is the only one that's been available from EMI (or Abkco) since the '70s. |
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Name: John LoConte Referred by: Net Search From: Everett, MA Time: 1999-08-24 15:45:29 Comments: Looking for records or cd by Nicola Paone who once recorded with Cadence records with the Archie Blyer Orchestra I have an album number of CLP-3001 Anyone have any info on where I can purchase?? Thanks |
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Name: Ralph Curcio Website: From: N.J. Time: 1999-08-25 14:15:04 Comments: John, For Nicola Paone, you might try Serendipity Records, 4775 Durham Road, Route 77, Guilford, CT 06437, (203) 457-1039. A few years ago, they had out a list of Cadence Records containing Paone's single "La Caffettera (the Coffee Pot"/"Pretty Lady" on Cadence 1363. The records supposedly were from Archie Bleyer's estate (had had owned Cadence) and were unplayed and stocked in some quantity. Hope this helps. |
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Name: Paul
Bigelow From: Austin, TX Time: 1999-08-25 15:41:02 Comments: "Batman Theme" by the Marketts in <---- STEREO ----> on "Surf n' Drag & other California Aciton Sound" is (or was) on Warner/Pioneer WPCP-3539. Great songs and not common ones either! 1. The Lonely Surfer (S) - Jack Nitzche 2. Summer Night - Jack Nitzche 3. Rumble - Jack Nitzche 4. The Last Race - Jack Nitzche (WOW and I mean WOW! w/sound effects) 5. Competition Coupe - The Timers 6. Forbidden City - Jack Buck & His Blazers 7. Let's Go (Pony) (S) - The Routers 8. Sting Ray (S) - The Routers 9. Telster (S) - The Routers 10. Pipeline (S) - The Routers 11. Ski Surfin (S) - The Avalanches 12. Avalanche (S) - The Avalanches 13. Out of Limits - The Marketts 14. Woody Wagon (S) - The Marketts 15. Batman Theme (S) - The Marketts 16. Drums A-Go-Go (S) - Mel Taylor (!) 17. Bullseye (S) - Mel Taylor 18. Bang Bang Rhythm - Mel Taylor 19. Walkin' - Jerry McGee & The Cajuns (!) 20. This Guitar Was Made for Twangin' - Duane Eddy (!) 21. Daydream - Duane Eddy Good sound, pleasant stereo, strong mono. |
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Name: ALAN END From: PLAINVIEW, N.Y. Time: 1999-08-25 18:14:08 Comments: A couple of years ago I heard T-Rex's BANG A GONG on the radio with a cold ending. The DJ said it wasn't commercially available. Does anybody know anything about it? |
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Name: John
Preston From: Arlington, Texas Time: 1999-08-26 02:11:23 Comments: Hi everyone. Just a couple of notes. I bought the Sundazed cd "LOOK AT US" by Sonny and Cher, knowing it was all mono, because it contained the "I Got You Babe" B-side "It's Gonna Rain", which I have always loved. Well guess what? It's not the same as the single version! It's shorter and more sterile, without what sounds like overdubs on the 45 version. It makes me sick! What better track to use on the cd as a bonus than the single, 45 version! I guess I'll have to find a mint 45 and put it on cd for myself; just as soon as I learn how. By the way, if anyone is wondering about that "Lost Hits of the Sixties" offered by Collector's Choice, it's the same one that Sound Exchange put out, right before they went belly-up. Same songs, same sonics, same versions. Like the mono "Next Plane to London", stereo remake of "Master Jack", and lots of mono that should be stereo. And how did they come up with "lost hits"? Almost all of the 40 tracks are readily available. It does have stereo "Alice's Rock and Roll Restaurant" by Arlo Guthrie and "Long Lonesome Highway" by Michael Parks, however. |
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Name: Ken
Garland From: Los Angeles Time: 1999-08-26 13:28:07 Comments: Can we get an update on the FAQ for the 3rd edition and the next issue of the news letter? If the FAQ is to be of much use it needs an occasional update. Early 1999 for the book does not seem relevant. Mike mentioned a while back that he intended to finishes off the CD's not reviewed, but listed in the 2nd edition, such as TIME-Life rock and roll era, i hope that is still in the works. |
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Name: Boppin'
Brian From: HOTCHA-Hot Ca ... (mid 80s, breezy = our sizzlin summer heat here in paradise-by-the-sea, SDO county !!) Time: 1999-08-26 16:07:30 Comments: Howdy, kids. "Which Way You Goin' Billy" details are in notes to W.A.R. Poppy Family ri CD, which , alas, has just the one stereo version. Notes relate some of the recording circumstances via Terry Jacks & how they had to bounce/overdub due to primitive recording equipment there in B.C. This cd has 2 versions of "That's Where I Went Wrong" & details about their creation (one was "superior" w/ Nashville guitar parts....). Too bad the groovy Susan Jacks pics are all tiny & B&W ! Ray Price's "Burning Memories" is stereo, 2:28 on a olde CBS Special Products 2 CD set "The Original Hits" that I wish I woulda grabbed several copies of when I found it at $5 ! (It has numerous other R.P. hits in stereo that are mono on other domestic cds. I am sure that Bear has the best sound in their mega-buck set(s). Is the remastered by Bob Irwin Johnny Cash Col. box set that one that has been reissued in the "mini"-box format (like the "Bootleg Series", "Pandora's Box", etc.) ??? Have any of the others been re-reissued ? Marty Robbins?? I understand that the one Irwin & Vic Anesesi (sp?) had a hand in are top-notch...lots of stereo.....George Jones (have....xlnt), Charlie Rich, etc. "LOUIE LOUIE" & "ANGEL BABY" >>STEREO<< ?!?!?!?! Must be "sync-ups".. .. For one thing, "Angel Baby" was recorded in ultra primitive conditions, in an airplane hanger/quonset hut in Alpine, Ca. "Louie.." was a demo made for a cruise ship job-bid !!! Any other sources for complete, stereo, unedited "Fingertips"?? So that's why I always thought "Start Movin'" 45 on Epic sounded so much crisper --- "30 i.p.s."!! "..Early stereo Lloyd Price on Specialty.." ?!?!?! You must mean ABC, Steve B. ........?!!? Crimson (UK) reissue label has been OK for the titles I've heard... they are , if I recall
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Name: Boppin' Brian,
again Website: Yeah, right From: 3rd rock Time: 1999-08-27 18:17:55 Comments: OK, so it's me twice in a row..... I guess everyone else is off on weekends/trip to the track/TGIF ?? Anyway, you POPPY FAMILY freaks oughta get the cd "A Good Thing Lost, 1968-73" by The Poppy Family, with Susan & Terry Jacks (March/W.A.R. 60017), I got mine for less than ten bucks.... It has "Which Way You Goin' Billy" Stereo, 3:23, F. And thw two versions of "That's Where I Went Wrong" , Stereo, 2:32, C and Mono, 2:33, C. Latter is U.S. version (re-mixed with Wayne Moss Nashville guitar added to original London-recorded version). Former, Stereo version w/o added guitar is version issued everywhere else. Is ANDREA TRUE CONNECTION "Greatest Hits" on Buddah 7112 the one that has Tom Moulton's never-before-used "closet tapes"/masters ???? Gads, how do i redeem myself & talk about some REAL music...hmmm....Lesse, I'm trying to get a decent JIM REEVES cd, for pretty dirt cheap I can grab either a Castle 114 (UK) "Best", OR BMG 44684(UK?) "Best of", OR BMG 17 & 42116 "Greatest Hits 1 & 2", OR Essential 266 "Essential Collection" (2 cd), or ____________? Any ideas ??? As most of us know, it's "ya pays your money, ya takes your chance" ....... EDDY ARNOLD "Last of the Love Song Singers" is OK, until you get to 2nd cd of 2 cd set where he does his "'90's thing"...new stuff/re-makes. I think that some of the 1st cd is re-makes as well, come to think of it, as there are some stereo cuts ala old RCA "best of" LP..... RAY PRICE "the Original Hits" (Teledisc/Col. Spec. Prod. 21348/9 has 30 cuts. 1st cd has '50s stuff, 4 in stereo, cd 2 has '60s '70s stuff, all stereo. Some of the stuff is mono only on other reissues,but stereo here, "City Lights", "Heart Over Mind". Of course, Bear Family has top-notch (& top $) reissues on all the above, but it's tough to shellout for 56 cd box when all you want is 2 or so cds..... Anyone that has any info. on any web-based resources / references / reviews of reissue cds(especially any of the "import" labels listed in my last post-it note, below), let me know, while I anxiously await the new "Blue Book", "Oldies on CD"!!!!! BYE ! |
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Name: Paul
Bigelow From: Austin, TX Time: 1999-08-27 23:13:10 Comments: Hello Everyone! I left something out on my post of the "Surf n' Drag" CD. The two Duane Eddy tracks are in <----- STEREO -----> !!!!!!! |
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Name: John
Preston From: Arlington, Texas Time: 1999-08-28 01:56:21 Comments: Bad news on the Bear Family front! I e-mailed them about future box sets of Brenda Lee, Pat Boone, and Marty Robbins. They e-mailed me right back with the sad news that no new releases are planned. Shoot! I was so looking forward to them. I really need Marty's "I Told the Brook". I'm wondering if I'll live long enough to hear it in stereo. By the way, Boppin' Brian, do you know where I could find the single version of "Danny Boy" by Ray Price? I bought the only domestic cd with the song on it and it was a rerecorded, shorter version. The hit version is nearly 5:00 minutes long. Also, does anyone know when "Wine, Wine, Wine" by the Nitecaps peaked? I need to put it in chronological order, but it never charted. It came out in 1960, but I don't know the month it reached it's peak. I am planning on putting all the Top 60 hits on cd's in chronological order (25 songs per disc) from 1956 to 1973, or so. Of course, it may take ten years to do it, but what else will I be doing in my old age? |
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Name: beetlefan Time: 1999-08-28 03:04:50 Comments: Brian, Tom Moulton e-mailed me back and said that the masters he used were the mixdown tapes he had in his posession all this time. He says that no one had ever asked him for them. The singles masters are very hissy and sound compressed. Curious thing, other CD compilations that have the single versions of MORE MORE MORE and N.Y., YOU'VE GOT ME DANCING sound better. The 12" version of WHAT'S YOUR NAME, WHAT'S YOUR NUMBER was taken from a cassette tape dub that producer Gregg Diamond had. The master tape is "lost". But it's a fun CD and I like it. Still, it's amazing what Tom can do. Buy it! Cheers, beetlefan |
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Name: Joe
Fornarotto From: New Jersey Time: 1999-08-29 11:23:26 Comments: To Allen End and anyone else interested in the version of T Rex's Get It On with the cold ending-Its available on the CD Marc Bolan & T-Rex Electric Warrior Sessions its on Purple Pyramid CD CLP-0024-2 it came out in 1997 and I've still seen it in stores since I've picked mine up about a year ago. Hope that helps you out---JF |
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Name: Bill Knoble From: Dallas Time: 1999-08-30 04:56:50 Comments: Ken, I couldn't agree with you more. We definitely need more timely updates on both. The 3rd Edition is probably the most important and eagerly awaited project going on at BSN right now. Also, knowing when the next newsletter is coming out helps me plan my CD "shopping rampages". I have no idea how much effort and time it takes to update a website, however, I do know how easy and fast it is to post a simple 4 or 5 line message on this very useful board Mike has created for us. So Mike, use The Board --- we would be forever grateful. Btw, what letter of the alphabet are you up to now (for the 3rd Ed.)?Ken, based on the last several newsletters, it is MY, UNOFFICIAL estimation that Issue #52 will be out during the 1st or 2nd week of September. [Okay, okay. I'll try to get the FAQ page
updated. Issue #52 is going to the printer this week, but
I will be out of town until Sept. 9, so the newsletter
should be mailed Sept. 9-10.
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Name: Mike
Arcidiacono Time: 1999-08-30 10:50:17 Comments: Does anybody out there in BSN land know where I might find a source for "After Tomorrow" by The Wackers? Its a Beatle rip off, circa 1964 from England. The only thing I have is them doing it on a Rhino video called "Go Go Big Beat", but the audio on the film dub is terrible. If you know of any LP or Cd with this track on it, please email me!! Thanks in advance. Mikey |
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Name: Barry
Cashion From: Mooresville, NC Time: 1999-08-30 16:08:10 Comments: Can anyone comment on those Japanese CD reissues of the Association's original LPs from Warner Bros.? I would really love to have at least a couple of them; from what I've read, these were done the way CD reissues of LPs really SHOULD be done--the entire original album in stereo plus the mono 45 mixes of the hits as bonus cuts. I managed to find a copy of that Japanese "The Association--From The Original Master Tapes" CD in Best Buy for around $20, and it's quite good--everything that's on the US Greatest Hits and more, and better sound to boot. I imagine these LP reissues are up to that standard also, but I just can't quite bring myself to fork over at least $30 apiece for them (I believe I actually saw them listed in a Collectors' Choice catalog for $39.95!). I know that's par for the course with Japanese imports though... I don't suppose there's much of a chance that they'll ever be released here in the US; WEA probably wouldn't see them as being profitable enough (sigh)... |
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Name: Dave
Daugherty From: Dublin, Ohio Time: 1999-08-30 16:31:49 Comments: For Barry Cashion; I have all of the Japanese re-issue Association CD's, and overall, I would rate them as very good. The sound quality on everything from "Insight Out" is very good, and gets better with each subsequent album. I suppose that's because recording technology got better with each album, plus they were working with bigger budgets as time went on. The first two albums ("And Then Along Comes" and "Renaissance")are good as well, but please be aware that a significant amount of hiss reduction was applied to them. It's not bad, but it did leave them a little "dry" sounding without a lot of ambiance. Frankly, I thought the first albums tracks sounded better on the CD from several years ago called "The Songs That Made Them Famous" on Pair Records. It had a bit more hiss, but it sounded more like the actual Valient albums. I have all those albums in excellent condition, and they sound GREAT!The only other note I would make is that the "Live" CD has been edited in a couple of places to get it to fit on one CD. Anyway, in my mind, these are core collection CD's if you're an Association fan. Jim Yester, one of the original members of the band was raving about them on an Association web site last week. |
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Name: Paul
Bigelow From: Austin, TX Time: 1999-08-30 16:43:47 Comments: Is the new Artanis release Sinatra '57 in STEREO? The "Summit" CD on Artanis is labeled as stereophonic, the "Sinatra '57" is not labeled as such. Is this the performace the same as the STEREO CD issued on Jazz Hour a few years ago? Thanks! |
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Name: Martin G. (Marty)
Blaise Website: The Blaise Page From: Houston, Texas USA Time: 1999-08-30 17:06:16 Comments: A couple of things: I came across an old compilation LP that had a song called Son of My Father by Giorgio. When I heard the first couple of lines, I realized I had been looking for this recording since 1971! Guess it only took me a few years to find it. And it is in stereo on the LP I found it on, although it's not as wide as it could be. Did this song chart on the top 100? I did not see it in the top 40 book. Is this the same as Giorgio Moroder? Second, I recently had to change vehicles and the old car had a cassette tape player, the one I changed to a CD player. Looks like I may have to have invest in a CDR. Should I wait until Christmas and get a better deal? Maybe the price will be lower? Trade some old eight track tapes for one? By the way, don't neglect those old K-tel and radio station compilation LPs. Some of those tracks are not always top 10 hits and every once in awhile you will find something good in stereo. |
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Name: beetlefan Time: 1999-08-30 21:21:26 Comments: MARTIN G. (Marty) BLAISE, First, Giorgio is THE late Giorgio Moroder, of Donna Summer production fame. Second, you can find that track, "Son Of My Father" in stereo on Rhino's "Have A Nice Day", Super Hits of the 70's, Volume 7 CD. It charted in April, 1972 in the U.S.. I don't have my Billboard Top Pop Annual here at the moment, so I can't tell you how high it got. A band called Chickory, also did this song. Third, you COULD wait until the holidays but you probably will miss out on the fun now, and you may not get a good one on sale. In other words, don't get a Memorex, Phillips, or Mitsumi. I assume you mean a PC based unit. It's the only way to go if you want quality, versatility, and to save money. You can also do anything you want to your recordings. If you buy a standalone consumer unit, you'll be sorry. If you're not PC literate, get PC literate! You can save all your stereo LP's and 45's that aren't on CD yet. I've done literaly hundreds! You can even re-create those lost edited versions. I've done dozens. And last, I have saved my old K-tel, Ronco, and Adam VII LP's from the 70's. That's how I got "Funky Worm" by the Ohio Players. My tracking down the CD with it on it has been fruitless. Sorry for the long post. |
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Name: beetlefan Time: 1999-08-30 21:43:20 Comments: BTW, this is not directed towards anyone here, but some of you guys slam and avoid Rhino. I'll bet they have a lot of what you guys have been looking for, but you don't know because you guys hate Bill Inglot and mono so much you don't even bother to look. That Giorgio song has been avialable in stereo for about eight years. Also, it's a shame more women don't get this serious about music. Most women I know couldn't care less about sound. And the wonder is that much of the music of yesterday and today, and most of the music industry nowadays caters to women. Just a thought... |
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Name: Bradley
Olson Website: Bradley Olson--A Person With Autism From: Bemidji, Minnesota Time: 1999-08-30 22:39:03 Comments: Beetle, I have just looked up information on what Giorgio Moroder has been doing lately. He is mainly doing computer graphic designing now according to some web research. Neither source that I have found on him has mentioned that he died yet. Where did you find out that he died (if he did)? |
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Name: beetlefan Time: 1999-08-30 23:09:30 Comments: I could have sworn that I read where he died of cancer. Either I'm mistaken or my source was wrong. |
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Name: Chris Nagel From: The rust belt Time: 1999-08-31 00:29:47 Comments: Beetlefan: What's wrong with owning a stand-alone "consumer" CD recorder? I've been using mine to transfer Lps and singles and with an equalizer, they sound fine to me. (I also have a CD-R on my computer, too but I use that one to copy CDs). My computer doesn't have any sound input capabilites, so this was the most economical way for me to go. |
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Name: beetlefan36 Time: 1999-08-31 02:54:25 Comments: Well Chris, first, I'm glad you, too, are are a DIYer. Now, the benefits of using a computer based CD-R system is: 1.) You can use cheaper, computer grade blanks. 2.) The CD-R's that you make are Red-book standard if you use the Disc-at-Once method. This means that you can use your disc for replicating, insures that all CD players can read the disc, and eliminates the two-second gap between songs. This is important bacause in the DAO method the laser does not turn on and off, and that means no errors at the transition point between songs. 3.) You can use software to tweak your music to get EXACTLY what you want. You can customize levels, do presision editing (try editing single notes with a stand alone unit), test your layout before you burn your disc, clean up noise, turntable rumble, surface noise, clicks, pops, crackle, scratches, repair skips, remove hum and buzzes, enhance sound, insert track markers wherever you wish, whenever you wish, correct for errors or glitches in your sound source, undo, compress, restore dynamic range,... 4.) Lower block error rates. Get a good soundcard, get some software, and make better CD's. Oh yeah, it's cheaper! |
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Name: Bob
Greer From: Vegas Time: 1999-08-31 14:39:48 Comments: What ever happened to that new stereo Stones release? What a tease. |
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Name: Roger Round From: Vancouver, Canada Time: 1999-08-31 23:32:10 Comments: Yeah I was also looking forward to The Rolling Stones on "London", seems like the Stones & the Beatles , two of the biggest R 'N R bands in history don't care much for their fans anymore. Sad really. I read this board daily and am amazed at the help I've received from the people here that are willing to give their time and resources to fellow collectors of Stereo cuts etc. Great job. It amazes me that some things aren't available in Canada as much as they are readily available in the U.S. I do alot of mail ordering to the States and it gets rather expensive but a guy just have to have it. Keep up the good work everybody and thanx for all the help. |
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